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I'm sorry. Are you saying that a great number of people AREN'T killed everyday in the name of religion?


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People could be killed in the name of Sprite. Doesn't mean that a soft drink promotes that stuff. It's fundamental belief systems, a desire to allow others to dictate what you do, and politics that promotes that stuff.

I find it funny that many atheists will throw out Bible passages as if everyone who calls themselves Christian has to follow every letter and believe it to be the (forgive the expression) gospel truth. The book pretty much lays out that it's all just stories.
 
Except we have to deal with real people who don't understand their own dogma and misrepresent it constantly.

"From Exodus to Revelations, the Bible is the Word of God!"

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The Bible clearly states that it is the word of God and that to omit one dot or tittle is condemnable. It takes itself pretty seriously.
 
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The Bible clearly states that it is the word and God and that to omit one dot or tittle is condemnable. It takes itself pretty seriously.

Yeah, I was wondering where it says it's all just stories.
 
Some of the Bible is historical accounts. Some is symbolic storytelling to teach a moral lesson, and some is mythology based on actual events (the flood was likely caused by an asteroid impact creating a tsunami).

Some of the Bible is good universal moral values. Other parts, particularly Leviticus, are monstrous.

That said, atheists who see it as their mission to "save" everyone by shoving their beliefs down your throat and telling you you're stupid if you disagree with them are just as obnoxious and ignorant as Christians who do it.
 
Some of the Bible is historical accounts. Some is symbolic storytelling to teach a moral lesson, and some is mythology based on actual events (the flood was likely caused by an asteroid impact creating a tsunami).

The flood story in the Bible was based from the flood legend in the Mesopotamian Epic of Gilgamesh. There are many ideas as to why there are flood legends. Some point to the rise of water levels after the last Ice Age, others point to the fact that most civilizations, and the advent of agriculture that made them possible, grew out of flood deltas. People naturally assumed that the seasonal floods that make their soil so rich may have once been larger.


That said, atheists who see it as their mission to "save" everyone by shoving their beliefs down your throat and telling you you're stupid if you disagree with them are just as obnoxious and ignorant as Christians who do it.

Maybe its reactionary to the number of Christians telling them they're going straight to hell to burn forever if they don't believe every single word of their Bible is the absolute word of God.

Being accused of mere stupidity seems mild in comparison.

That said, I wonder which parts the ancient Hebrews thought of as mythology. It's easy for us to charge in with Western minds to pull apart these primitive musings from sheepherders, but I suspect that they may have had a different view as to the intent.
 
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Yeah, I was wondering where it says it's all just stories.

It doesn't, but with a little thought, it's pretty obvious. Jesus = God, more or less, and Jesus taught primarily in parables. The Bible is the word of God, passing down the lessons God wanted humanity to learn in the form of stories.
 
Being accused of mere stupidity seems mild in comparison.

"Believe me or Mickey Mouse will be very angry."

"Believe me or you're an idiot."

Which seems to be more insulting? In order for you to be really offended by "you're going to hell for angering God", you'd need to think of God as more than a fictional character, and I haven't met an atheist yet that does. It's the same with "In God We Trust" and "Under God", they might as well be "Live Long and Prosper" or "May the Force be with you."
 
The historicity of the bible is dubious at best. There is no credible evidence for Jesus' existence.

That notion was very controversial in the past, but more historians are coming out in agreement that he probably didn't exist.
 
Chances are he did exist, just probably not as Jesus Christ, and probably not as one man.
 
It doesn't, but with a little thought, it's pretty obvious. Jesus = God, more or less, and Jesus taught primarily in parables. The Bible is the word of God, passing down the lessons God wanted humanity to learn in the form of stories.

After 8 years of doctrines studies I can safely say your wrong about that one. Might want to brush up on the history of the bible, its meaning, and message. Yes Jesus is perceived as part of the trinity but just because Jesus teaches in parables does not mean the whole Bible is a parable. It was written to be taken deadly serious and is stated as such on multiple occassions. It's even up for debate whether there is even a Trinity in the original Bible so assuming Jesus =God therefore Bible = Parable is a stretch of a conclusion.

One thing we were always taught in doctrines was that if we pick and choose which parts of the bible to accept and which to disregard we make ourselves soul authority over God's word and its validity. That is folly and pridedul which as you know is a sin. The Bible is stated to be the word of God and God does not lead us into strife and confusion. His word is clear and not ambiguous. The bible is to be taken at face value. Everytime Jesus spoke in parables it was made clear. If it's not presented as a parable it is meant to be taken seriously. I'm not sure where you've been doing your studying or what denomination you are a part of but if you believe in following the bible you should know you are off base regarding its intent and it's message.

If you want to follow the bible do it word for word or don't. Picking it apart is pointless when to do so strips it of its meaning which is that it is the infallible word of God.

If you want to study it for scholarly reasons well then.you can pick choose and interpret to your hearts content.

How come in these evolution threads Christianity is the only theology that throws their hat in the ring?
 
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I'm just wondering if people of other faiths and beliefs actively argue and go head to head with evolution like Christians.

When I see people pushing for Intelligent Design to be taught in classes I wonder why Christianity should be the faith the Intelligent Design is based on.
 
I asked my friend who is a devoted Christian (while I'm agnostic) about dinosaurs and how they fit in the religious time line, and he told me this: Some things are just a mystery.

That's a better answer than what I got when I asked the same thing to a born-again Christian, in whom he claims dinosaur bones were planted by people. That was his freakin' answer. Wow.
 
The difference is that science doesn't claim to know what is true in advance. It derives truth from evidence, instead of deciding what is true and looking for evidence that supports it.

Is that all? Belief in God requires certainty. That's what faith is.

What is faith? And how is it a source of evidence? And what reasoning led you to the conclusion that there is a benevolent God?

Faith is belief in things not seen. No matter how much we explore and experiment, there will be things outside of our physical realm of understanding.

I believe that God is benevolent based on the evidence of our existence. He created this perfect machine that is man. He gave us this world that could be a paradise. It's only our fear, stupidity and arrogance that causes us to destroy our world and ourselves.

No. You just need to provide objective reasoning for how you think different parts of the bible should be interpreted. If you don't have objective reasons then you're just picking and choosing the parts you prefer.

I have objective reasons. I believe that God is loving and benevolent. That he values all of us. So any part of the bible that suggests we should destroy each other, or devalue each other is wrong as far as I'm concerned.

Saying a hypothesis is unfalsifiable isn't a cop-out. It's valid grounds for dismissing that hypothesis. A strong theory is one that could easily be falsified, but hasn't been. The theory of evolution could easily be falsified. Rabbit fossils in the precambrian layer is the famous example given by Haldane. But there is no way to falsify the God hypothesis, because it is always pushed just outside the boundaries of scientific knowledge.

And because it can't be falsified, that means it's not valid? Again- evolution will never provide answers for where we came from. Why we're here. Why we humans have cognitive thought, identity- if we have a spirit- the beginnings of the universe. If there is a God. Belief in God does answer those questions. For me at least.


Not going to do this here.

You are invoking something like Hempel's dilemma which I admit is a problem for me as a naturalist. I like the elegance of Beenakker's proposed solution, which relies on the finiteness of the universe to create a boundary between natural and supernatural.

The universe is finite? Where did it begin? Where does it end? What came before? What's outside of it?

The usefulness of a belief has no bearing on whether or not it is true. And if a false belief proves useful, we'd be better served to figure out what about it is beneficial and discover the truth in that. For example, an ancient tribe that believed dragons lived in volcanoes might benefit from that belief if it caused them to stay away from an active volcano, but they'd be better off in the long run using science to understand the mechanics behind volcanoes so they could predict their behavior.

This doesn't apply to my beliefs, since I know they're not false. You may suspect that they are, but that's your choice.

Again I'll point out that by claiming to know God exists you are putting yourself in a bad position to objectively weigh evidence. And the theory of evolution isn't meant to answer all of man's questions. It is only meant to explain the diversity of lifeforms we observe today. It doesn't even try to explain how life originated on earth, that is abiogenesis. If you're looking for a gap to squeeze your God into, abiogenesis is the latest trend.

I'm not looking for a gap to fit God into. I believe in God and seek to deepen my connection to him- and by extension- other humans and ultimately the universe itself. IF evolution can't answer all of man's questions then it is by your standards, no more valuable than belief in God. Now to me, evolution is a valuable way of understanding how things work. Belief in God is the way to understand why things work.
 
The Bible clearly states that it is the word of God and that to omit one dot or tittle is condemnable. It takes itself pretty seriously.

That actually only refers to Revelation.
 
I'm just wondering if people of other faiths and beliefs actively argue and go head to head with evolution like Christians.

When I see people pushing for Intelligent Design to be taught in classes I wonder why Christianity should be the faith the Intelligent Design is based on.

Not as much, since teaching evolution is ironically banned (or simply not done) in many non-predominately Christian countries.

As for why, most creationists (especially in the West) are Christians, and Christian creationists aren't going to peddle someone else's religion.
 
I'm sorry. Are you saying that a great number of people AREN'T killed everyday in the name of religion?


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A great number of people are killed everyday in the name of religion, money, sex, drugs, pride, anger, hatred, jealousy, pettiness, stupidity, bad luck, etc. etc. etc.

What's your point?
 
To the irreligious, being killed in the name of religion adds insult to injury.
 
"Believe me or Mickey Mouse will be very angry."

"Believe me or you're an idiot."

Which seems to be more insulting? In order for you to be really offended by "you're going to hell for angering God", you'd need to think of God as more than a fictional character, and I haven't met an atheist yet that does. It's the same with "In God We Trust" and "Under God", they might as well be "Live Long and Prosper" or "May the Force be with you."

I doubt the "true believer" is no more offended by being called an idiot than the atheist is that sense. As the Bible states that such will happen, they feel exonerated in their beliefs when they are being called fools for believing.

As an aside, Live Long and Prosper doesn't allude to an outside entity. No one should be offended by that.
 
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