Do you accept the theory of evolution?

[Hmarrs]

In Quantum Physics, particles appear in and out of our space-time continuum all the time. It verifiable, tested and occurs. So, yes, something can come from nothing, or at least how Quantum Theory defines "nothing".

And what you have to understand that in terms of the Big Bang, there was no such thing as "before." Before is a term that we use to describe the passage of time which has no bearing at all when the very beginning of time was the expansion of our current space-time continuum. What came before is meaningless. There was no before.

I can certainly understand that concept is hard to wrap your mind around.

If there is an after there must be a before.If not then we are in a constant state of being with no before or after and if that then is the case Evolution would be impossible.

 

[DBryan]

How does that even...

 

[Hmarrs]

Psalm 14
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Just because one might say he believes in Evolution doesn't mean he has to deny the existence of God.
If he chooses not to believe then that would be his or her preferance.
Believing in one does not mean one must deny the other.
Creation could be in a constant state of evolving and I don't think anyone will totally be able to answer as all humans are falliable.Science too is falliable as it is based on our interpertation of it.Two scientist can see the same thing and have two different interpertations.Even Evolutionist don't agree on many Theories.

I don't reject someone who doesn't believe in God however it seems that people here reject you if you do.
The question was do believe in evolution.
Well it went from that to putting the existence of God on trial.

It seems that many who believe in God are befuddled and attacked to prove his existance.
However one cannot prove his existance in the same way one cannot prove he doesn't existance.
You can't prove it because it's just somthing or in this case someone you know.
That woul dbe like me asking you to prove to me who my best friend is.
You can't that's somthing only I would know.
I could in no way prove who your best friend is.

However it would be just as foolish because you believe in God and Creation to say Evolution does not exist.
The Bible says who can know the mind of God what if this is his way of doing things.
My opinion may vary on what I can Evolution but still who am I to say it is not a process of life.
What I believe if that God created life how it unfolds and unravels is not for me to know.
Some may call it Evolution.

I believe even with the most prove all Evolution can do is explain the process of the life force and how it changes and evolves but their will never be proof of what it is exactly.
So I don't really see the need for a debate on whether or not God exist.
that's not the question the question is do you believe in evolution.
In other words do you believe that life is in a constent change of flux,adapting,modifiing to fit it's existence and contance surroundings?
I personally don't feel it has to be either or.

WHY????Should it have to be???

 

[DBryan]

It's because people keep bringing it up. Like you just did. I keep saying in this thread, "let's bring that to the atheism thread to discuss that in more detail".

People keep bringing up god as an explanation, and people are discussing that.

 

[jmc]

People need to learn about more religions outside there own, Christianity is not the only one. Once you start doing that your perspective might change and internal logic might start kicking in once again, or better yet learn ancient languages and spend a few years studying the actual ancient text in which all the sacred text are based on, you might then discover the book you're pointing to as 'proof' is flat arse wrong and is built on the words of false authors.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Because that's what debate against evolution amounts to. Religion.

You think those people in Tennessee who passed that ridiculous law are Lamarckists? Nope. They just want their religion to be taught in school.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I do - I just don't think we came from monkeys. We might have come from similar ancestry, but to assume humans came from monkeys/apes is ridiculous. We probably looked like something that looked like monkeys, but I don't believe they were actual apes.

 

[SuperFerret]

Humans are actual apes. Monkeys are not.

 

[Thundercrack85]

You people do realize that we now know many of the species we evolved from, right? And we didn't just evolve from apes, we are apes.

Hell, being the dominant species, we are the ape archetype.

Any alien would notice the similarities. Watch a human fight, it's funny how quickly they resort to biting. We'd probably fling poo if we didn't have better weapons.

 

[Bill]

One should never underestimate the effectiveness of flinging poo.

 

[SuperFerret]

Most apes don't fling their feces in a fight.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Most apes don't fling their feces in a fight.

No, they generally rip their enemies eyeballs out. But I was trying to be facetious.

 

[Hmarrs]

It's because people keep bringing it up. Like you just did. I keep saying in this thread, "let's bring that to the atheism thread to discuss that in more detail".

People keep bringing up god as an explanation, and people are discussing that.

Did you even read what I wrote?

People need to learn about more religions outside there own, Christianity is not the only one. Once you start doing that your perspective might change and internal logic might start kicking in once again, or better yet learn ancient languages and spend a few years studying the actual ancient text in which all the sacred text are based on, you might then discover the book you're pointing to as 'proof' is flat arse wrong and is built on the words of false authors.

There is a differance between Relgion and Relationship.

Because that's what debate against evolution amounts to. Religion.

You think those people in Tennessee who passed that ridiculous law are Lamarckists? Nope. They just want their religion to be taught in school.

Evolution is a Religion.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Humans are actual apes. Monkeys are not.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were a biological anthropologist with apparently unreleased and ground-breaking studies proving, undeniably, that humans are apes.

 

[childeroland]

Evolution is a Religion.

No it isn't. Religion generally requires faith while evolution is backed by a preponderance of independently verified evidence.

 

[Lighthouse]

Evolution is a Religion.

 

[Lighthouse]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were a biological anthropologist with apparently unreleased and ground-breaking studies proving, undeniably, that humans are apes.

Apparently you don't understand that there are no absolutes in science, and that humans ARE apes.

The emergence of humans

To begin with, let's take a step back. Although the evolution of hominid features is sometimes put in the framework of "apes vs. humans," the fact is that humans are apes, just as they are primates and mammals. A glance at the evogram shows why. The other apes — chimp, bonobo, gorilla, orangutan, gibbon — would not form a natural, monophyletic group (i.e., a group that includes all the descendants of a common ancestor) — if humans were excluded. Humans share many traits with other apes, and those other "apes" (i.e., non-human apes) don't have unique features that set them apart from humans. Humans have some features that are uniquely our own, but so do gorillas, chimps, and the rest. Hominid evolution should not be read as a march to human-ness (even if it often appears that way from narratives of human evolution). Students should be aware that there is not a dichotomy between humans and apes. Humans are a kind of ape.

 

[Super_Child]

The planet earth. Our moon orbits us some 250,000 miles away from us.

Our sun, is 400 times the diameter of our moon but also 400 times farther away. This creates a total solar eclipse with the moon and sun appearing the same size in our sky.

I believe in evolution as a strong theory but how can the above be coincidence of the cosmic random universe? And not just some higher being once said.... lets put this here and this here and the people on this planet will get a very lovely sight every so many years?

Mind. Boggled.

 

[Speedball]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were a biological anthropologist with apparently unreleased and ground-breaking studies proving, undeniably, that humans are apes.

I don't think you got what he was saying. I'm an archaeologist, and have taken bio anth classes, and SuperFerret is right.

Apes and Monkeys share a common ancestor, but split into two paths. Apes do not have tails, and reside in the western hemisphere. Monkeys usually have tails and reside world wide, with a distinction between Old World and New World Monkeys.

Using the word Ape and Monkey as though they are they same thing is wrong. They are both Simians, so that term is interchangeable for the two.

 

[jmc]

There is a differance between Relgion and Relationship.

Your point?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I don't think you got what he was saying. I'm an archaeologist, and have taken bio anth classes, and SuperFerret is right.

Apes and Monkeys share a common ancestor, but split into two paths. Apes do not have tails, and reside in the western hemisphere. Monkeys usually have tails and reside world wide, with a distinction between Old World and New World Monkeys.

Using the word Ape and Monkey as though they are they same thing is wrong. They are both Simians, so that term is interchangeable for the two.

I didn't mean to say apes and monkeys are the same, but rather that Humans are different from both. We have a general consciousness and intangible connection with other beings to the point that many would consider it to be spirituality. I do believe all animals have spirits and these connections, but humans make conscious efforts on exploring the possibilities of spirituality (or at least have the ability to do so); and that is what I would consider to be the human soul.

I'm sure even the Ardipithecus had some sort of spiritual consciousness to them, and I do believe we come from the Ardipithecus, but a direct link between other apes and humans is yet to be found. Chimps, Gorillas and Orangutans share common ancestry, but biological anthropologists have gone 5.6 million years back and have yet to find that common link besides saying that the Ardipithecus is comparable in size and biological structure to modern day chimpanzees. Just because it looked like a chimpanzee and might have acted like one, I don't believe humans are apes.

My opinion on the matter stems from my belief of humans possessing a soul to moderate their spirit and animals lacking the soul element in the equation - that's why I place humans in a different category than apes.


So yes, I believe in evolution, I just believe that we've always evolved from a species that has had some sort of soul - even going back to single celled organisms.

 

[DBryan]

I do - I just don't think we came from monkeys. We might have come from similar ancestry, but to assume humans came from monkeys/apes is ridiculous. We probably looked like something that looked like monkeys, but I don't believe they were actual apes.

We don't 'come from monkeys'. Monkeys are distant relatives. We are apes. Our closest relatives are chimps.

(A) Pan troglodytes, chimpanzee, modern
(B) Australopithecus africanus, STS 5, 2.6 My
(C) Australopithecus africanus, STS 71, 2.5 My
(D) Homo habilis, KNM-ER 1813, 1.9 My
(E) Homo habilis, OH24, 1.8 My
(F) Homo rudolfensis, KNM-ER 1470, 1.8 My
(G) Homo erectus, Dmanisi cranium D2700, 1.75 My
(H) Homo ergaster (early H. erectus), KNM-ER 3733, 1.75 My
(I) Homo heidelbergensis, "Rhodesia man," 300,000 - 125,000 y
(J) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Ferrassie 1, 70,000 y
(K) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Chappelle-aux-Saints, 60,000 y
(L) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, Le Moustier, 45,000 y
(M) Homo sapiens sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30,000 y
(N) Homo sapiens sapiens, modern

It's not just fossil evidence that shows this.

DNA confirms it. Protein functional redundancy confirms it.

Humans and chimpanzees have the exact same cytochrome c protein sequence. This confirms common descent.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section4.html#protein_redundancy

 

[Thundercrack85]

Humans are apes. Deal with it.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The planet earth. Our moon orbits us some 250,000 miles away from us.

Our sun, is 400 times the diameter of our moon but also 400 times farther away. This creates a total solar eclipse with the moon and sun appearing the same size in our sky.

I believe in evolution as a strong theory but how can the above be coincidence of the cosmic random universe? And not just some higher being once said.... lets put this here and this here and the people on this planet will get a very lovely sight every so many years?

Mind. Boggled.

The distance between the Earth and moon varies. All those other things are not exact either.

 

[jmc]

The planet earth. Our moon orbits us some 250,000 miles away from us.

Our sun, is 400 times the diameter of our moon but also 400 times farther away. This creates a total solar eclipse with the moon and sun appearing the same size in our sky.

I believe in evolution as a strong theory but how can the above be coincidence of the cosmic random universe? And not just some higher being once said.... lets put this here and this here and the people on this planet will get a very lovely sight every so many years?

Mind. Boggled.

But it hasn't always been that way and won't always be that way will it? The sun hasn't always been the size it currently is and is only going to get larger and larger in the future eventually rendering the total solar eclipse as non-existent. It'll be like the transit of Venus where it's a dark spot passing over the sun but a far larger one due to its proximity to earth. Nothing mystical here, eclipses happen all the time on others planetary bodies.