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Which is bizarre because evolution, at least here in Englan, and you can back me up here HS, is on the biology curriculum, so every body 12-25 at least has a basic understanding of how it works.
 
Many of our current capabilities in science and knowledge are pretty young compared to how long we've been humans. And our time on Earth as a species is hardly the blink of an eye compared to how long the actual Earth has existed.

I understand that. What is your point?
 
Sure apes can sign because thats how they communicate, but they don't speak words. There are no ape-people or anything close to that in the present time either. So why were we the only ones to "evolve" the way that we have? Human evolution is just laughable to me honestly. I believe in aliens though. Maybe there is some connection between humans and aliens.
Each species evolves in the way that it has. Evolution doesn't necessarily always go to greater complexity--genes take the best way available to them given the environment. Complex language may not necessarily result. The "intermediate forms" (to call them that--that is really a human perspective) died out. Our closest living relatives are the chimpanzees, with whom we share a high percentage of genes. Our most common recent ancestor (with the chimps) died out about 5 million years ago. I think Old World monkeys split off from us 35 million years before that.
 
Sure apes can sign because thats how they communicate, but they don't speak words. There are no ape-people or anything close to that in the present time either. So why were we the only ones to "evolve" the way that we have? Human evolution is just laughable to me honestly. I believe in aliens though. Maybe there is some connection between humans and aliens.
Well, yes, there are many amazing things humans can do. This much is clear. Don't get it twisted though, humans owe much of our advanced place not to our brains, but to walking upright and having dextrous fingers that can handle delicate objects. Moreover we're no more immune to environmental forces than say a cat, in some sense our advanced culture bore out of our inability to survive on just our genetics alone. Seems to me our skills in corroperation and socializing are what allowed us to "beat" our closest relatives. The Earth shall happily and quite effortlessly sweep us away when she is done with us. Our achievements have greatly improved our ability to enjoy our lives but hasn't made them any less fragile.
 
I understand that. What is your point?

That I agree about a lot of greater knowledge being young, and can sometimes be climbing a higher hill against tradition than of actual accuracy. What kind of point where you looking for?
 
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Human evolution makes no sense. I figure if it were true, there would be some sort of species that looks half human and half ape...

In the first place… there are intermediates between human and “ape” (technically, humans are apes) that look roughly half/half. They happen to be extinct – but they definitely existed.

In the second place… note your selective sampling. Why not choose monkeys and humans and ask where the half human/monkeys are? I assume it’s because the answer is more inconveniently self-evident: Extant “ape” species constitute the evolutionary bridge between those two groups.
 
Humans are apes by the by. A creationist actually made that distinction, not I.
 
Which is bizarre because evolution, at least here in Englan, and you can back me up here HS, is on the biology curriculum, so every body 12-25 at least has a basic understanding of how it works.

Definitely.

I wonder what the percentage of people in England who accept Evolution is?

Haha! You pay attention in science class!

I know, what a boffin! :p
 
We're not apes, but we evolved differently from a common ancestor.
 
You didn't answer my question. So...I will pose more:

Why do we have an appendix if we don't need it?

Did cows, horses, and bunny rabbits used to live in fear of getting eaten by a T-Rex?

Why are kids being born without wisdom teeth and why did I have to get mine removed?

How is the Earth only 6,000 years old and why aren't there any dinosaurs running around like lizards and snakes if all animals were created on the same day?

How do you know one day in our time isn't 1 billion years in God's time?

I just want to add a couple more:

How come humans have tail bone, when we don't have a tail?

How come there are mammals in the oceans, who were clearly evolved from land animals (according to their skeletal evidence)?
 
That I agree about a lot of greater knowledge being young, and can sometimes be climbing a higher hill against tradition than of actual accuracy. What kind of point where you looking for?

Sorry. Your answer seemed like you were arguing but I wasnt sure.
 
Exactly. Humanity is a member of the great apes.
 
I just want to add a couple more:

How come humans have tail bone, when we don't have a tail?

How come there are mammals in the oceans, who were clearly evolved from land animals (according to their skeletal evidence)?

Whales have hind legs that are reabsorbed into their bodies!
 
Ape is the Superfamily that the Homo genus exists on. Humans by definition are apes.
 
Definitely.

I wonder what the percentage of people in England who accept Evolution is?
Last I checked I think England had about 68% that identified as atheism/agnostic/deist and I think 80% (or damn close) sided with Evolution (regardless of religious affliation).
 
Ape is the Superfamily that the Homo genus exists on. Humans by definition are apes.
Hominoidea is the superfamily we refer to when we use the term Ape, which, as you say, includes Homo Sapiens. Colloquially it's typically meant to refer to "non human primates" although that is woefully wrong.
 
I just want to add a couple more:

How come humans have tail bone, when we don't have a tail?

How come there are mammals in the oceans, who were clearly evolved from land animals (according to their skeletal evidence)?
The genes in our body that code for our bilateral symmetry, and those that code for the creation of our eyes are almost identical in the genetic codes of species with whom our nearest common ancestor dates back to the Cambrian (which ironically is when eyes first appear in the fossil record).

Also your body has genes to create a tail, they get shut off by stop codons during the embryo stage in human development. Sometimes though those "shut off" genes don't work right, and in this case, kid born with a tail in India.
 
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Hominoidea is the superfamily we refer to when we use the term Ape, which, as you say, includes Homo Sapiens. Colloquially it's typically meant to refer to "non human primates" although that is woefully wrong.

Yeah, but for the purpose of this discussion, ape seemed fine:woot::oldrazz:
 
We're not apes, but we evolved differently from a common ancestor.

It’s semantics. “Ape” isn’t actually a scientific category - so the term is a bit elastic. Some mean it as “all non-human members of the hominidae family.” Others use “ape” as shorthand for the entire hominidae family (easier to pronounce :cwink:); and that explicitly includes chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans and humans. This conforms to the evolutionary family tree. Chimps, for example, are much closer cousins to humans than gorillas. So it would be odd for them to be in a group with more distant relatives while the closer one (us) is arbitrarily excluded.
 
The genes in our body that code for our bilateral symmetry, and those that code for the creation of our eyes are almost identical in the genetic codes of species with whom our nearest common ancestor dates back to the Cambrian (which ironically is when eyes first appear in the fossil record).

Also your body has genes to create a tail, they get shut off by stop codons during the embryo stage in human development. Sometimes though those "shut off" genes don't work right, and in this case, kid born with a tail in India.

Yeah, and evidences like these support the theory of evolution. Scientists study species' embryos because those that shared the common ancestors actually resemble each others in the embryotic stage.
 
Last I checked I think England had about 68% that identified as atheism/agnostic/deist and I think 80% (or damn close) sided with Evolution (regardless of religious affliation).

Yeah, those numbers feel right from my experiences of what it's like living in this country. I certainly find the majority of people I meet are not religious at all.

And i've only one friend who doesn't believe in evolution. He doesn't go to church, but he feels very strongly that there is a God and he just doesn't believe evolution, no matter how much I try to explain it in different ways to him.
 
It’s semantics. “Ape” isn’t actually a scientific category - so the term is a bit elastic. Some mean it as “all non-human members of the hominidae family.” Others use “ape” as shorthand for the entire hominidae family (easier to pronounce :cwink:); and that explicitly includes chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans and humans. This conforms to the evolutionary family tree. Chimps, for example, are much closer cousins to humans than gorillas. So it would be odd for them to be in a group with more distant relatives while the closer one (us) is arbitrarily excluded.
We are apes. It's a classification of a certain type of species, and we fall under that group.
How about '..but we are tail-less primates' ? :oldrazz:
 
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