Do You Swear to Tell the Whole Truth, and Nothing But the Truth?

[TheCorpulent1]

That'd be the way the government prefers it. I doubt they'd want to trust the heroes to make the moral choice. They want people to whom they can dictate the moral choice so that it gels with their agenda.

 

[yahman]

That'd be the way the government prefers it. I doubt they'd want to trust the heroes to make the moral choice. They want people to whom they can dictate the moral choice so that it gels with their agenda.

Its sound very Totalitarianistic .... maybe Cap will be forced to become this universes V.

 

[The Question]

I agree about the little corrupted government thing. But to add to the other persons, Superhero's would have to be registered under something that could potentially control them. Most likely, it would be a type of military deal which would delegate their powers. Do I THINK that would happen in Marvel? Not really. But now they become political figures, so if an enemy makes it to foreign shores, and a hero pursues to detain, that COULD be considered an international problem. So heros would be restricted to America, with the borders being a villans best friend.

I doubt that. If a hero, under the sanction of the government, hunts a criminal to another country, how would that be an act of war? The FBI and CIA do it all the time. There's red tape to go through, but it canm't be considered an act of war.

Case in point with Latveria, let's say Dynamo goes to Lat, and Iron Man chases him, disobeys the laws, and beats the crap out of Dynamo after being told to leave (but Tony doesn't because he's gung ho) THAT could be used as an act of war. And Doom MIGHT launch an attack, that the UN probably wouldn't hold too much of a place on, because the UN never does it seems.

Crimson Dynamo is a major international criminal. As long as Tony didn't break any Latverian laws, there's no reason why Doom would declare war. Especially since he knows he'd get his ass kicked. More likely than not, Doom would simply hold Crimson Dynamo under his custody.

How about when the government tells Iron Man that there are nukes in Iraq and that they want to send him and the Avengers over there to take care of things instead of risking thousands of soldiers?

It's ver possible. However, it all depends on what Iron Man's assigned duties post registration are. Really, though, registration doesn't sound like making them agents as much as it wounds like registering them the way a bounty hunter or a private detective is registered. In which case, the government would have very little say in regards to what Iron Man does as long as it isn't breaking the law.

What if one of the heroes doesn't want to go along with this? Would they jail the hero for not performing their sworn duty?

Or forced into retirement. If the hero in question is an official government agent, then they'd probably force him to cease operating.

Super heroes need some strict guidelines for them to operate, but getting in bed with the government is asking for trouble.

Where else would the guidlines come from if not the government?

They are going to tell the capes what to do, and what can the capes do about it? Nothing, the government knows where you live, where your family lives and they would be more than willing to kill you all to further their own ends.

Dude. Who the hell are we talking about here, the U.S. or Nazi Germany? Every government does dirty stuff, but the U.S. doesn't have a track record of killing the families of the people who work for them when they don't follow orders.

 

[Purple Man]

I doubt that. If a hero, under the sanction of the government, hunts a criminal to another country, how would that be an act of war? The FBI and CIA do it all the time. There's red tape to go through, but it canm't be considered an act of war.



Crimson Dynamo is a major international criminal. As long as Tony didn't break any Latverian laws, there's no reason why Doom would declare war. Especially since he knows he'd get his ass kicked. More likely than not, Doom would simply hold Crimson Dynamo under his custody.



It's ver possible. However, it all depends on what Iron Man's assigned duties post registration are. Really, though, registration doesn't sound like making them agents as much as it wounds like registering them the way a bounty hunter or a private detective is registered. In which case, the government would have very little say in regards to what Iron Man does as long as it isn't breaking the law.



Or forced into retirement. If the hero in question is an official government agent, then they'd probably force him to cease operating.



Where else would the guidlines come from if not the government?



Dude. Who the hell are we talking about here, the U.S. or Nazi Germany? Every government does dirty stuff, but the U.S. doesn't have a track record of killing the families of the people who work for them when they don't follow orders.

Of course the U.S. doesn't have a track record of doing that. They're not going to admit what they did. I'm sure if we knew all the facts there is probably plenty of "accidents" that didn't need to happen.

Spider-Man doesn't want to fight in Iraq for oil? Aunt May falls down the stairs. Still don't wanna go? Mary Jane has a car accident.

Politicians will get greedy over their newly aquired super soldiers.

You have to admit, Captain America was probably meant to be more than just a poster boy and punch a few Nazis in the face.

You're either part of the machine or you're going to get crushed by it.

By following the government you are putting your life in the hands of those in power, and those in power don't always have the most noble intentions.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I doubt that. If a hero, under the sanction of the government, hunts a criminal to another country, how would that be an act of war? The FBI and CIA do it all the time. There's red tape to go through, but it canm't be considered an act of war.

Because FBI needs international permission. If the FBI, an American agency, just decided to go into another country without any forewarning (which is something Tony loves doing it seems) that's considered an act of war. So yeah, lots of red tape. If Tony doesn't get the permission, which could be hours, Dynamo is already long gone. And if he's tracking him in another nation's airspace (which is also considered aggressive) that's trouble too. As far as I'm aware INTERPOL is the only agency allowed to do that.

Crimson Dynamo is a major international criminal. As long as Tony didn't break any Latverian laws, there's no reason why Doom would declare war. Especially since he knows he'd get his ass kicked. More likely than not, Doom would simply hold Crimson Dynamo under his custody.

And just because Dynamo is a villan on that level, it's still considered an international law thing. And since Iron Man went "legal" he must then abide by those laws. And especially if it's Doom's country, he'd demand that he take care of the perp himself. And Tony, being Tony, would probably just go on and do it anyway. Hence, problems. Or Doom, who has done things like this in the past, just declares amnesty, and just helps Dynamo out. So the hero's are stuck behind the veil of law. And the UN would probably NOT let the hero's go do whatever they want since usually bringing people in causes lots of destruction and casualties.

Dude. Who the hell are we talking about here, the U.S. or Nazi Germany? Every government does dirty stuff, but the U.S. doesn't have a track record of killing the families of the people who work for them when they don't follow orders.

Whoa whoa. Now you're assuming we're doing this stuff irl. In MU, it wouldn't be above the government to do something shady like that. Given how many programs they secretly have to do stuff that the general population would never agree with.

 

[The Question]

Of course the U.S. doesn't have a track record of doing that. They're not going to admit what they did. I'm sure if we knew all the facts there is probably plenty of "accidents" that didn't need to happen.

Spider-Man doesn't want to fight in Iraq for oil? Aunt May falls down the stairs. Still don't wanna go? Mary Jane has a car accident.

Politicians will get greedy over their newly aquired super soldiers.

You have to admit, Captain America was probably meant to be more than just a poster boy and punch a few Nazis in the face.

You're either part of the machine or you're going to get crushed by it.

By following the government you are putting your life in the hands of those in power, and those in power don't always have the most noble intentions.

You're just assuming that they're willing to murder innocent people in cold blood to coerce people into following their orders. Now, the U.S. doesn't have the best track record in the world. But they've never been known to be part to such things. And any such incidents would, more likely than not, but met with very harsh investigations on the part of the higher ups. That is the whole point of checks and balances, you know.

Because FBI needs international permission. If the FBI, an American agency, just decided to go into another country without any forewarning (which is something Tony loves doing it seems) that's considered an act of war. So yeah, lots of red tape. If Tony doesn't get the permission, which could be hours, Dynamo is already long gone. And if he's tracking him in another nation's airspace (which is also considered aggressive) that's trouble too. As far as I'm aware INTERPOL is the only agency allowed to do that.

And very few countries are actually stupid enough to go to war with the U.S. over one of their agents entering their airspace. Especially since it's not illegal to enter said countries.

And just because Dynamo is a villan on that level, it's still considered an international law thing. And since Iron Man went "legal" he must then abide by those laws. And especially if it's Doom's country, he'd demand that he take care of the perp himself. And Tony, being Tony, would probably just go on and do it anyway. Hence, problems. Or Doom, who has done things like this in the past, just declares amnesty, and just helps Dynamo out. So the hero's are stuck behind the veil of law. And the UN would probably NOT let the hero's go do whatever they want since usually bringing people in causes lots of destruction and casualties.

Very true. But it still seems highly unlikely that any country would actually go to war over that. And Doom can't simply declair amnesty. If the Crimson Dynamo is wanted for international crimes, Doom keeping him safe would be a much larger breach of international law than Tony flying into Latveria's airspace unanounced. Anyway, this is part of the point of the registration act. To keep major crimes, and by extension international incidents, from happening by having a way to keep tabs on the heroes.

Whoa whoa. Now you're assuming we're doing this stuff irl. In MU, it wouldn't be above the government to do something shady like that. Given how many programs they secretly have to do stuff that the general population would never agree with.

So has the real U.S. government. But that doesn't mean they're murdering small children in their sleep because their momies and dadies won't follow orders.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

And very few countries are actually stupid enough to go to war with the U.S. over one of their agents entering their airspace. Especially since it's not illegal to enter said countries.

Many countries, like Latveria, Wakanda, or even Attilan (especially currently Attilan) would, could, and are in some cases WILLING to go to war with America. And with each having massive advantages over America, probably would. Especially Doom, who seems to heavily dislike America. The Black Panther really dislikes other countries, and very likely would not hesitate. And I'm pretty sure the Inhumans are currently viewing America as war level enemies. So yeah, THOSE countries would.

And aircraft with destructive capability need to ASK before entering another countries airspace. Actually, that goes for all aircraft. We can't just send a jumbo jet to their airport without them knowing and allowing it.

Very true. But it still seems highly unlikely that any country would actually go to war over that. And Doom can't simply declair amnesty. If the Crimson Dynamo is wanted for international crimes, Doom keeping him safe would be a much larger breach of international law than Tony flying into Latveria's airspace unanounced. Anyway, this is part of the point of the registration act. To keep major crimes, and by extension international incidents, from happening by having a way to keep tabs on the heroes.

If Doom declares that Dynamo is welcome in his country, and American pursuers are not, Dynamo is considered temporarily safe.

And keeping an enemy from another country isn't against international law.

If a murderer killed in several different countries and recently fled from America to Mexico still has to be expedited I believe to be tried in any of those countries. Unless America recently picked up the practice of rolling their enforcement down there to apprehend a murderer. Unless of course, the person was breaking some form of international law, and even then, America is still not allowed to pursue on their own. Then they DEFINITELY need sanction from the U.N. And it's more likely INTERPOL would go after him.

So has the real U.S. government. But that doesn't mean they're murdering small children in their sleep because their momies and dadies won't follow orders.

Once again, this is comic universe, and some of the politicians here have come out looking like viscious kid killers. Especially the ones who take in small mutant children and treat them less than animals.

 

[The Question]

Many countries, like Latveria, Wakanda, or even Attilan (especially currently Attilan) would, could, and are in some cases WILLING to go to war with America. And with each having massive advantages over America, probably would. Especially Doom, who seems to heavily dislike America. The Black Panther really dislikes other countries, and very likely would not hesitate. And I'm pretty sure the Inhumans are currently viewing America as war level enemies. So yeah, THOSE countries would.

No, they wouldn't. Because they're not stupid. The problem they face is numbers, my friend. Latveria and Wakanda are both tiny. Barely a fraction of the size and population of the U.S. Our armed forces are in vastly greater numbers than them. It would be suicidal for them to declare war on us.

And aircraft with destructive capability need to ASK before entering another countries airspace. Actually, that goes for all aircraft. We can't just send a jumbo jet to their airport without them knowing and allowing it.

Ah yes. Quite true.

If Doom declares that Dynamo is welcome in his country, and American pursuers are not, Dynamo is considered temporarily safe.

True. But keeping Dynamo under his protection would only ultimately make things much more complicated for Doom. He's not stupid, you know.

And keeping an enemy from another country isn't against international law.

If a murderer killed in several different countries and recently fled from America to Mexico still has to be expedited I believe to be tried in any of those countries. Unless America recently picked up the practice of rolling their enforcement down there to apprehend a murderer. Unless of course, the person was breaking some form of international law, and even then, America is still not allowed to pursue on their own. Then they DEFINITELY need sanction from the U.N. And it's more likely INTERPOL would go after him.

Fine. Then, Tony works with Interpol to catch him. Remember, we're not talking about all the heroes becoming actual agents. We're talking about them getting registered and licenced in a manner similar to private detectives. A PI can track a criminal to another country if they wish to.

Once again, this is comic universe, and some of the politicians here have come out looking like viscious kid killers. Especially the ones who take in small mutant children and treat them less than animals.

We're talking about the U.S. here. Not freakin' Nazi Germany. The U.S. government has done some absolutely terrible things in the past, but they are not in the buisness of killing innocent children when they're parents won't follow orders. That suggests a level of corruption that seems almost impossible the way our system is set up right now. It would be almost impossible to get away with. Poloticians harboring bigoted veiws in regards to mutants is completely different from what is being described here.

 

[Tropico]

No, they wouldn't. Because they're not stupid. The problem they face is numbers, my friend. Latveria and Wakanda are both tiny. Barely a fraction of the size and population of the U.S. Our armed forces are in vastly greater numbers than them. It would be suicidal for them to declare war on us.

Funny how you totally ignored Attilan which is arguable smaller than the other 2 countries and they HAVE declared war on the USA. Wakanda and Latveria have a technological advantage over the US and if they were going to go to war the US would take this into consideration, they're not stupid you know. Sure, there's a good chance the US could obliterate those countries, but it would be at a very high cost; especially with LAtveria, the war wouldn't be contained to Doom's country, I bet he would make attacks on US soil and the loss of civilian life would be staggering.

 

[The Question]

Funny how you totally ignored Attilan which is arguable smaller than the other 2 countries and they HAVE declared war on the USA.

Yeah. But Atilan is populated entirely by superhumans, so they're advantage is a good deal larger.

Wakanda and Latveria have a technological advantage over the US and if they were going to go to war the US would take this into consideration, they're not stupid you know. Sure, there's a good chance the US could obliterate those countries, but it would be at a very high cost; especially with LAtveria, the war wouldn't be contained to Doom's country, I bet he would make attacks on US soil and the loss of civilian life would be staggering.

True. But Doom and T'challa would also realise that their losses would be just as bad in terms of numbers, and worse in terms of percentages since their populations are smaller. Whatever technological advantages they have are far too small for Doom or T'challa to be willing to risk so many of their poeple.

 

[Purple Man]

How do we know that the U.S. hasn't killed people for not cooperating? Someone vanishes without a trace because the government wants them gone, how do you prove that it was the United States government that killed this person and not someone with a vendetta or a serial killer or something?

No matter how hard you try, you can't fight the government when they can just throw billions of dollars at any problem they have. That kind of money can buy the judge, jury and witnesses.

If anyone was deemed a threat, super human or otherwise, they could easily be taken care of.

Don't want to play ball? The Rhino escaped from federal custody and just so happend to kill your wife and child as he rampaged down the crowded streets. There would be no proof that the Rhino was targeting those particular people after wracking up a body count in the double or triple digits.

Or maybe hero A and hero B don't want to go along with the governments plan. So they kill hero A and plant evidence that leads to hero B. That's two uncooperative heroes with one bullet.

Nazi Germany keeps getting referred to, which has nothing to do with this conversation. Nazi Germany never tried to cover things up, they didn't need to. America has a reputation as a peaceful, loving nation that it wants to uphold so any dirty dealings are going to be covered quite nicely.

We were never supposed to know about Watergate, but incompetence revealed what they were up to. Just imagine all the stuff that more capable people have done that we will never know about.

 

[Purple Man]

Yeah. But Atilan is populated entirely by superhumans, so they're advantage is a good deal larger.



True. But Doom and T'challa would also realise that their losses would be just as bad in terms of numbers, and worse in terms of percentages since their populations are smaller. Whatever technological advantages they have are far too small for Doom or T'challa to be willing to risk so many of their poeple.

Doom would not attack the United States until he had a sure plan of victory. I also don't think Doom really cares about his subjects as much as you think he does. If Doom had the oppourtunity to take over the U.S. he would outfit every man, woman and child in Latveria with deathrays and rocketpacks. He would let them all be slaughtered if it meant that he would be able to take over America, dub it New Latveria and have Mt.Rushmore destroyed and recarved in his image.

 

[The Question]

How do we know that the U.S. hasn't killed people for not cooperating? Someone vanishes without a trace because the government wants them gone, how do you prove that it was the United States government that killed this person and not someone with a vendetta or a serial killer or something?

That's purely an assumption. The only way that could happen is if a large majority of the U.S. government was corrupt. With as many elected officials and checks and balances that we have, that's almost impossible. Plus, so many people work for the government, it would be almost impossible to cover up. The government has done absolutely terrible things in the past, but almost never to it's own citizens, and they've always been found out for it eventually.

No matter how hard you try, you can't fight the government when they can just throw billions of dollars at any problem they have. That kind of money can buy the judge, jury and witnesses.

As I said, if that level of courruption existed in our government, it would be almost impossible to keep quiet. You can't silence everyone.

If anyone was deemed a threat, super human or otherwise, they could easily be taken care of.

Don't want to play ball? The Rhino escaped from federal custody and just so happend to kill your wife and child as he rampaged down the crowded streets. There would be no proof that the Rhino was targeting those particular people after wracking up a body count in the double or triple digits.

Or maybe hero A and hero B don't want to go along with the governments plan. So they kill hero A and plant evidence that leads to hero B. That's two uncooperative heroes with one bullet.

That's not how our government works. Any official investigation would yeild something that shows to the contrairy of the planted evidence. As I said, this could only happen if almost everyone working for the government was dirty, which is far from the truth.

Nazi Germany keeps getting referred to, which has nothing to do with this conversation. Nazi Germany never tried to cover things up, they didn't need to. America has a reputation as a peaceful, loving nation that it wants to uphold so any dirty dealings are going to be covered quite nicely.

But you're basically saying that we're living in Nazi Germany. That the U.S. casually slaughters it's own people and constantly gets away with that. And you're basing that on absolutely nothing.

We were never supposed to know about Watergate, but incompetence revealed what they were up to. Just imagine all the stuff that more capable people have done that we will never know about.

Watergate was one group of people. Not the entire government. If any president were engaging in the illegal activities you describe, he'd have a very hard time keeping it quiet.

Doom would not attack the United States until he had a sure plan of victory. I also don't think Doom really cares about his subjects as much as you think he does. If Doom had the oppourtunity to take over the U.S. he would outfit every man, woman and child in Latveria with deathrays and rocketpacks. He would let them all be slaughtered if it meant that he would be able to take over America, dub it New Latveria and have Mt.Rushmore destroyed and recarved in his image.

Doom cares alot more about the people of Latveria than that. He's not going to risk the safety of his people like that.

 

[Tropico]

Why do you constantly refer to the MU govt. like it was our real one? They're not the same, most of your arguments don't float precisely because of this.

 

[The Question]

It would seem highly odd to me that the government in the MU were more like the quasi dictatorship Purple Man describes than how the government actually is.

 

[Purple Man]

The whole government doesn't have to be corrupt, it could just be small factions or even just a single person with power getting money thrown at them by some huge corporation.

You talk like a politician, policeman, judge, or jury never took a bribe or was scared into acting a certain way.

The mob doesn't want Spider-Man bothering them? They threaten a politicians family, then all of a sudden Spider-Man is told to back off from the mob, that S.H.I.E.L.D. or some other group is going to handle it, but it actually just gets swept under the rug.

How secure are the heroes identities going to be? How many government agents and politicians are going to know who they are under the mask? How much money will it take one of these people to sell out the heroes? Or will some super villain find them and force them to give up the information?

So before you start saying that Captain America is crazy for going against the super hero registration act, think about how it is going to turn out. And anyways, who would you rather trust between Captain America and Iron Man?

 

[The Question]

The whole government doesn't have to be corrupt, it could just be small factions or even just a single person with power getting money thrown at them by some huge corporation.

There's no way one person could participate in the levels of corruption you describe and never get caught.

You talk like a politician, policeman, judge, or jury never took a bribe or was scared into acting a certain way.

No, I'm not. I'm simply saying that that doesn't happen all the time.

The mob doesn't want Spider-Man bothering them? They threaten a politicians family, then all of a sudden Spider-Man is told to back off from the mob, that S.H.I.E.L.D. or some other group is going to handle it, but it actually just gets swept under the rug.

One politician would be unable to exhert that much control over prganizations like the FBI or S.H.E.I.L.D. There's no way a mobster would be able to bribe or threaten enough people to force a government organization to force someone who's legal status is comperable to a private detective to stop investigating them. The only thing the mob could do is cover their tracks more carefully.

How secure are the heroes identities going to be? How many government agents and politicians are going to know who they are under the mask? How much money will it take one of these people to sell out the heroes? Or will some super villain find them and force them to give up the information?

A security leak like that would be a huge deal. If anyone sold out all the heroes, he'd end up on trail for selling government secrets very quickly.

So before you start saying that Captain America is crazy for going against the super hero registration act, think about how it is going to turn out. And anyways, who would you rather trust between Captain America and Iron Man?

I actually think both sides are taking things to slightly illogical extremes.

 

[Tropico]

It would seem highly odd to me that the government in the MU were more like the quasi dictatorship Purple Man describes than how the government actually is.

It would seem rather odd to me that the government in the MU mirrored the real one perfectly or that it was the Utopic, incorruptable thing you implie it is.

See? Anyone can go to extremes in their arguments to make the other side seem wrong and not reach a middle ground. Purple man raises valid points and these are things that COULD happen, note that he never said that this is how the MU is currently. But to say that the MU government isn't corrupt to a degree would be burying your head in the sand because we've all seen what they've done and how badly they react when it comes to things they don't understand or feel threatened by. It's happened to the X-Men a thousand times and they really got the shaft this time.

 

[The Question]

It would seem rather odd to me that the government in the MU mirrored the real one perfectly or that it was the Utopic, incorruptable thing you implie it is.

I never said it was utopic. But I see your point.

See? Anyone can go to extremes in their arguments to make the other side seem wrong and not reach a middle ground. Purple man raises valid points and these are things that COULD happen, note that he never said that this is how the MU is currently. But to say that the MU government isn't corrupt to a degree would be burying your head in the sand because we've all seen what they've done and how badly they react when it comes to things they don't understand or feel threatened by. It's happened to the X-Men a thousand times and they really got the shaft this time.

Oh, I agree. Every government is corrupt to a degree. But to have the level of corruption that Purple Man describes in our system as it is set up now and never have it get leaked to the public makes little sense.

 

[Tropico]

Oh, I agree. Every government is corrupt to a degree. But to have the level of corruption that Purple Man describes in our system as it is set up now and never have it get leaked to the public makes little sense.

It doesn't take a whole lot of people to make things happen from what we've seen previously in the MU, just the right people in the right places. Since I've seen it happen before I can see how Purple's story suggestions could happen. I still see the stuff that he said as a representation on the state of the current MU. It's something it COULD become, but it's not something it currently is.

If we apply Spidey's mantra (with great power, comes great responsability) to the MU govt. I feel that they're not up to the task of that resposability and that there's a very big chance that they will try to misuse this new power. I hope that they show that it'll be up to the heroes to keep themselves in check.

 

[BrianWilly]

We're talking about the U.S. here. Not freakin' Nazi Germany.

Tell that to the victims of Sentinel attacks, mutant or otherwise.

 

[The Question]

If memory serves, the Sentinels didn't actually kill anyone unprovoked under government control. They only served as a police force. They started killing once they defected from government control.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

If memory serves, the Sentinels didn't actually kill anyone unprovoked under government control. They only served as a police force. They started killing once they defected from government control.

Aside from the instances where they were hunting them down. Especially on one of their maiden voyages.


Oh yeah, and the Zero Tolerance part where the government was utilizing unknowing regular people to become Prime Sentinels to kill mutants.


And Zero Tolerance was government sanctioned.

And they've effectively confined the X-Men to their home "for their own good" and when they use their powers outside, they're detained. And usually their house gets a visit from the shock team. (I'm sure they love Cannonball for this.)

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

No, they wouldn't. Because they're not stupid. The problem they face is numbers, my friend. Latveria and Wakanda are both tiny. Barely a fraction of the size and population of the U.S. Our armed forces are in vastly greater numbers than them. It would be suicidal for them to declare war on us.

If you honestly think that other countries, even in our world, are unwilling to just go up against America because of simple numbers, you're wrong. Badly, irrationally wrong. America started out by a handful of suicidal revolutionaries against the then thought unstoppable British because they were pissed off enough against the British. There's countries out there considered with far less sense than that. And I'm just suprised North Korea hasn't nuked America yet personally. People are not nearly as cowardly as you must think. America is not just big man on block, and other countries do not just sit and shiver, hoping America doesn't turn their gaze upon them. Most countries have even vocalized against America, and probably WOULD be willing to go up against them if the need arose. I mean, Iraq didn't crumple under American threats, they basically told America to attack them.

True. But keeping Dynamo under his protection would only ultimately make things much more complicated for Doom. He's not stupid, you know.

Doom's also very conflicting by nature. Stupid isn't something he does, but Doom isn't just, "Okay America, roll into my country and do as you please since I'm an absolute totalitarian control freak." If someone demands entrance into his country, he's much more likely to deny them access. So yeah, I agree he's smart. But he's not people smart.

Fine. Then, Tony works with Interpol to catch him. Remember, we're not talking about all the heroes becoming actual agents. We're talking about them getting registered and licenced in a manner similar to private detectives. A PI can track a criminal to another country if they wish to.

Tony's registering in an American Registration, not an international registration. So that doesn't work, since most likely they wouldn't accept him anyway.

And he's DEFINITELY not a PI. So that doesn't work out either.

Oh, I agree. Every government is corrupt to a degree. But to have the level of corruption that Purple Man describes in our system as it is set up now and never have it get leaked to the public makes little sense.

How much do you know about the CIA or NSA activities? Or about ambassador treatment here in the US? Not saying they're corrupt, but if they DID something corrupt, chances are word won't get out.

We're talking about the U.S. here. Not freakin' Nazi Germany. The U.S. government has done some absolutely terrible things in the past, but they are not in the buisness of killing innocent children when they're parents won't follow orders. That suggests a level of corruption that seems almost impossible the way our system is set up right now. It would be almost impossible to get away with. Poloticians harboring bigoted veiws in regards to mutants is completely different from what is being described here.

You think America is some shining beacon of light and nobility? In principle, yes, I'll go for that. In execution? It's the same as most other large world governments. Corruption and inhuman practice included. And I really hate pulling this one out, since I know I"ll be flamed over it. But the American military is one of America's greatest representatives, and really, their behavior in that Middle Eastern prison wasn't exactly something far too different from a Nazi concentration camp. Or when America HAD their own Japanese concentration camps during the second world war. Or the police beatings, and vigilante police. So if you're trying to imply that America is somehow "cleaner" than the rest of the world, I'd definitely rethinking that. And I'm MOST definitely not going into the Weapon X program in the MU. That is self explanitory.

That, and it's been known that American's started "Gerrymandering" where they've used their power to their own advantages. That was definitely bigoted. "You know what would be a good idea? Let's rewrite voting lines so the votes will DEFINITELY go my way, because minorities won't vote for me." And then they use their power to blow useless amounts of money on parades and crap, instead of helping the common man.

Now let me get this straight. I don't think in the REAL world, that the United States government would go around, holding children hostage. But this is NOT the real world. It's a comic world, where people like the Kingpin or Osborn could easily be president somewhere down the line, and use their power to corrupt absolutely. Real life dynamics just do not work in comic book governments. I really don't care what you have to say about that. America as a principle is noble, America as a government is a government, and governments by nature are a twisted mess of politics and self interest.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

It doesn't take a whole lot of people to make things happen from what we've seen previously in the MU, just the right people in the right places. Since I've seen it happen before I can see how Purple's story suggestions could happen. I still see the stuff that he said as a representation on the state of the current MU. It's something it COULD become, but it's not something it currently is.

If we apply Spidey's mantra (with great power, comes great responsability) to the MU govt. I feel that they're not up to the task of that resposability and that there's a very big chance that they will try to misuse this new power. I hope that they show that it'll be up to the heroes to keep themselves in check.

Look at Sentinel Squad O*N*E*.