BvS Do You Want Arrow, Flash, & Constantine Connected To Superman/Batman?

[luis4u]

Yes please, I wouldn't actually mind having two Supermans existing at the same time either (CK in Arrow or Flash ).

The answers is the multi-verse. different versions of the characters can exist

Nobody was confused when Superman Returns released during Smallville's
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[luis4u]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

MARVEL.

Really hope GOTG is good. I wonder how it will do at the BO. I hope it inspired WB, but also inspires them to be original. There's a lack of that over there creatively these days.

Marvel Method: Solo films which lead to team up films or crossovers along with TV/Netflix tie in shows.

WB/DC: Doing either stand alone series of films with no tie ins or doing comprehensive "Universe" films featuring the original/first super hero and adding more characters as the series progresses. Most likely stand alone TV series that do not interfere with film properties.

To my mind creativity and originality have a lot of overlap. Seems that WB/DC are being quite creative and original to a large degree.

(Before anyone says "WB just want a cash grab" remind me again of Marvel Studios policy in which no one makes a profit off their films, and all BO returns are funneled into various charities? Oh that's right...)

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The answers is the multi-verse. different versions of the characters can exist

Nobody was confused when Superman Returns released during Smallville's
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Yep. The Multiverse idea would ideally allow for various projects to exist side by side and not allow for too much confusion, especially if it were the subject of either an arc on a show (Flash would be a great candidate for this) or if the idea were to be featured in a Film (JLA?).

 

[Kevin Smith]

Marvel Method: Solo films which lead to team up films or crossovers along with TV/Netflix tie in shows.

WB/DC: Doing either stand alone series of films with no tie ins or doing comprehensive "Universe" films featuring the original/first super hero and adding more characters as the series progresses. Most likely stand alone TV series that do not interfere with film properties.

To my mind creativity and originality have a lot of overlap. Seems that WB/DC are being quite creative and original to a large degree.

(Before anyone says "WB just want a cash grab" remind me again of Marvel Studios policy in which no one makes a profit off their films, and all BO returns are funneled into various charities? Oh that's right...)

MARVEL: Doing things logically how fans always dreamed, making the biggest success possible.

DC/WB: Trying their damnest to catch up to Marvel and imitate them without looking like they're copying them, has the greatest characters but utilizes only a tenth of their potential, molesting Superman. No plan, a half assed plan at best. "Let's cut corners and get to our Avenger$ flick already!", nevermind that MARVEL did it with some authenticity and appreciation of their characters, here's a manufactured superhero flick we expect to make the same money!".

MARVEL: higher artistic integrity.

WB/DC: very little to no artistic integrity.

I've always been more of a DC guy since I have more favorite characters there and this saddens me. WB needs people that care and believe and buy into their DC characters...instead of trying to change them all to be Batman or just flat out missing the point with them.

 

[Winter Soldier]

I like Marvel's joint continuity between films and TV.


The finale of Shield felt like a nice wrap-up to Captain America: The Winter Soldier..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-AnbBsfjiU

Shield being rebuilt, with a new Director..

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Just to point this out to all. Notice how when I compared WB/DCE to MARVEL I didn't feel the need to slight either. They are different. I'm betting if DCE did things like MARVEL we'd get some pissing and moaning about DCE lacking it's own vision.

And Kevin Smith, you go on about the GL film all the time... How was that like a Batman story exactly? How is the new Flash series, given the trailer like Batman? Constantine/Hellblazer show as well?

WB/DCE are handling their properties as they see fit and low and behold, we ARE getting more product from them. That's a fact. This last year we had every other poster complaining about how WB/DCE had no plan. Now we know those people were just wrong. They had many irons in the fire it seems. Oh, but know we don't like what the plan is.

Oh, the entitled mindset of the fanboy/girl.

 

[Flint Marko]

I personally think it'd be a wasted opportunity if they didn't connect all the TV shows/movies.

 

[InJustice]

MARVEL: Doing things logically how fans always dreamed, making the biggest success possible.

DC/WB: Trying their damnest to catch up to Marvel and imitate them without looking like they're copying them, has the greatest characters but utilizes only a tenth of their potential, molesting Superman. No plan, a half assed plan at best. "Let's cut corners and get to our Avenger$ flick already!", nevermind that MARVEL did it with some authenticity and appreciation of their characters, here's a manufactured superhero flick we expect to make the same money!".

MARVEL: higher artistic integrity.

WB/DC: very little to no artistic integrity.

I've always been more of a DC guy since I have more favorite characters there and this saddens me. WB needs people that care and believe and buy into their DC characters...instead of trying to change them all to be Batman or just flat out missing the point with them.

This is truly a no-win scenario. Even if DC went the fanboy/Marvel way, people will ***** at them for copying Marvel.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Everyone sing it with me.

HELL To THE NAH!

 

[luis4u]

I personally think it'd be a wasted opportunity if they didn't connect all the TV shows/movies.

What the point of connecting when shield only get between 5 or 6 million views ..

 

[Rowsdower!]

This is truly a no-win scenario. Even if DC went the fanboy/Marvel way, Kevin Smith will ***** at them for copying Marvel.

Fixed.

 

[Rorschach2012]

This is truly a no-win scenario. Even if DC went the fanboy/Marvel way, people will ***** at them for copying Marvel.

i really don't know if all that many people would complain. i know i wouldn't be complaining.
marvel's strategy is something we've been telling the big 2 companies to do for years. it's not particularly unique or creative, it's just really successful.

 

[Mikelus]

Yeah, Marvel has so much artistic integrity, I guess that's why they have ruined the artistic vision of several directors to end up with some mediocre movies.

Warner could be slow, but they respect their directors a bit more. Anyway, making solo films of characters first doesn't guarantee success, The Incredible Hulk failed at the BO, the first Captain America movie made less than 400m... It seems WB doesn't want to make movies with a budget near 200m for a mediocre BO. BvS and the JL movie could make Wonder Woman, the Flash... more popular and increase their profits like the Avengers did for Iron Man, Cap and Thor.

And the people have spoken! The NO wins the poll easily and I agree, is better to keep both universes separate to allow more creative freedom to writers and directors.

 

[michael1975]

Just to point this out to all. Notice how when I compared WB/DCE to MARVEL I didn't feel the need to slight either. They are different. I'm betting if DCE did things like MARVEL we'd get some pissing and moaning about DCE lacking it's own vision.

And Kevin Smith, you go on about the GL film all the time... How was that like a Batman story exactly? How is the new Flash series, given the trailer like Batman? Constantine/Hellblazer show as well?

WB/DCE are handling their properties as they see fit and low and behold, we ARE getting more product from them. That's a fact. This last year we had every other poster complaining about how WB/DCE had no plan. Now we know those people were just wrong. They had many irons in the fire it seems. Oh, but know we don't like what the plan is.

Oh, the entitled mindset of the fanboy/girl.

I find it hilarious and cute that so many of you think WB has a plan and has had one. You are absolutely right they are handling there properties as they see fit. It does not mean they are handling it right.

Slap together a couple movies and shows doesn't mean they had a game plan in motion or even one now. I tell you this much between you me and brick wall I don't think they will do any other films for other Justice League characters between releasing of Batman vs Superman and Justice League.

I don't expect DC to copy Marvel but there is logic to the way they have handled there properties. They don't need to do the teaser scenes the films the way Marvel did. However focusing on individual Justice League characters first would have laid down a better foundation for a DC shared Universe in terms of movies.

As for the shows well they don't matter if they can't survive the networks they are on. Gotham won't last a two season cause it's on Fox and they cancel pretty much everything. Constantine is on NBC which is a regular network and a poor choice of a network for a supernatural show.

Arrow and Flash are the only two shows that will make it and it's because they are on the right network for there target audience. CW is more patient when it comes to ratings and won't cancel a show right out of the gate like Fox.

My main issue is them doing things right and not taking short cuts that will hurt them later on. Right now I think that is exactly what they are doing. That is just my opinion any way.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

There is no need to copy Marvel OR integrate tv series. MOS established a universe, now they can work off of it.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

We all know about Marvel's artistic integrity.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

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[InJustice]

I find it hilarious and cute that so many of you think WB has a plan and has had one. You are absolutely right they are handling there properties as they see fit. It does not mean they are handling it right.

Slap together a couple movies and shows doesn't mean they had a game plan in motion or even one now. I tell you this much between you me and brick wall I don't think they will do any other films for other Justice League characters between releasing of Batman vs Superman and Justice League.

I don't expect DC to copy Marvel but there is logic to the way they have handled there properties. They don't need to do the teaser scenes the films the way Marvel did. However focusing on individual Justice League characters first would have laid down a better foundation for a DC shared Universe in terms of movies.

As for the shows well they don't matter if they can't survive the networks they are on. Gotham won't last a two season cause it's on Fox and they cancel pretty much everything. Constantine is on NBC which is a regular network and a poor choice of a network for a supernatural show.

Arrow and Flash are the only two shows that will make it and it's because they are on the right network for there target audience. CW is more patient when it comes to ratings and won't cancel a show right out of the gate like Fox.

My main issue is them doing things right and not taking short cuts that will hurt them later on. Right now I think that is exactly what they are doing. That is just my opinion any way.

What you're saying is pure baloney. Does the Justice League cartoon suck because it only used Batman: TAS, and Superman: TAS as a foundation to launch a larger universe? There are more than one way of doing things, and despite you saying that you don't want DC to copy Marvel, copying Marvel is exactly what you want.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I really doubt WB's plan is the way it is because they don't want to be perceived as copying Marvel's plan.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I really doubt WB's plan is the way it is because they don't want to be perceived as copying Marvel's plan.

I don't think that's the motivation either. They just have chosen a different way. In the minds of many fanboys/girls though, I reckon that if they HAD done things like Marvel we'd get pissing and moaning about lack of "creativity" on WB/DC's part.

And to those that feel the need to be (michael1975) condescending, again... The various projects that we are seeing come to fruition today did not just happen in the last couple of weeks. They were, say the words with me, PLANNED out for some time by the people at WB. See, for some reason I will take the approach by those at one of Hollywood's most successful and profitable movie studios over the whining of fanboys on the internet.

 

[jmc]

I'm sick of hearing about effing 'plans'. WB will work how ever the hell they want to work.

 

[Boom]

It amazes me how much time people invest in boards pertaining to movies made by a studio that is phoning it in and desperate for money and devoid of any artistic integrity.

There are a plethora of Marvel boards, folks. Pick your favorite.

 

[D.P.]

Everyone sing it with me.

HELL To THE NAH!

Heeeeeeyulll to the naaaaaaAAAAaaaaaaw....

HEEEEYULL TO THE NIZZAWWW....

 

[sportjames23]

Everyone sing it with me.

HELL YEEEEEEAH!

Fix'd.