The Amazing Spider-Man Do you want to see a 'final swing' at the end of ASM?

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I don't care that it's been done by Raimi before. There had better be a final swing-by of some sort, otherwise..... well, you don't wanna know.

 

[Godzilla2014]

there shouldn't be a stigma attached to comic book movies. nolan is desparate to make his movies none 'comic bookey' but the comic book genre has delivered some truly get movies that have heart, drama, comedy, suspense and action and that should be EMBRACED not avoided.

note when I say comic bookey I don't mean camp or cheese which I hate.

And there lies the problem. Nolan is so concerned with making his films non comic book hokey that he disrespects that source material.

How? By changing everything about the characters except for a few character traits and their names.

Does that make Nolan's films bad? No but the best cbms ever they are not.

A perfect, or at least close to perfect, CBM needs to be able to balance Storytelling and action but as well be respectful to the source material and not have key details about the characters change for movie sakes and if a change must be made, be respecful to the original idea.

Unfortunately, No CBM so far deserves the title of "perfect CBM". None except for perhaps Iron Man (1 and not 2) have come anywhere close.

I believe TASM will come closer than any before it.

I disagree. Nolan treats the material with great reverence and takes it very seriously. His Batman films are great character studies first, superhero films second, like many of the best superhero films are.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

And there lies the problem. Nolan is so concerned with making his films non comic book hokey that he disrespects that source material.

How? By changing everything about the characters except for a few character traits and their names.

Does that make Nolan's films bad? No but the best cbms ever they are not.

A perfect, or at least close to perfect, CBM needs to be able to balance Storytelling and action but as well be respectful to the source material and not have key details about the characters change for movie sakes and if a change must be made, be respecful to the original idea.

Unfortunately, No CBM so far deserves the title of "perfect CBM". None except for perhaps Iron Man (1 and not 2) have come anywhere close.

I believe TASM will come closer than any before it.

Actually I thought that Captain America was very respectful to the source material, especially the character of Steve Rogers.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Actually I thought that Captain America was very respectful to the source material, especially the character of Steve Rogers.

Your right. Though I would still place Iron Man closer to perfect because Captain America often came off as an elesworlds movie because the Captain America comic book was actually in the movie which took me out of it as far as it being based on that comic.

It was weird but Cap is a very close second though.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I believe TASM will come closer than any before it.

If the criteria is faithfulness, even judging from the spy pics and trailer, this film falls far short.

And Nolan's films aren't as unfaithful as reputed to be. Certainly not anyless so than this flick.

 

[mayo23]

If the criteria is faithfulness, even judging from the spy pics and trailer, this film falls far short.

And Nolan's films aren't as unfaithful as reputed to be. Certainly not anyless so than this flick.

Wrong.

 

[VenomSpawn]

If the criteria is faithfulness, even judging from the spy pics and trailer, this film falls far short.

Based on what? The suit?

 

[spider-neil]

let's be honest here, nolan's batman hardly feels like batman at all (I'm not going to kill you but I'm not going to save you. the **** does that even MEAN?).

burton's batman acted far more like batman. figuring out the anti that mixing household products creates joker toxin and the anti toxin, the look and the batmobile but none of that matters because nolan's movies are just way better with regards to plot, pacing and character developement and at the end of the day (to me at least) makes them better movies.

that being said when nolan buggers off we can get back to batman who looks and feels like batman (thank goodness!)

going back to the end swing if they aren't going to have it then replace it with something better, the the movie on an incredible high so you are desparate for more. the truth about SM1 and SM2 is I didn't want the movie to end and I was left wanting more. so end with a high.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Your right. Though I would still place Iron Man closer to perfect because Captain America often came off as an elesworlds movie because the Captain America comic book was actually in the movie which took me out of it as far as it being based on that comic.

It was weird but Cap is a very close second though.

Would have to agree that Iron Man was pretty much perfect in terms of origin and character of Tony Stark.

When I saw the Cap comic in the movie, I just assumed it was a morale booster that the US government were putting out along with the shows using Cap to raise money for the war effort. It didn't seem strange to me.

But then, I'm strange in other ways...

 

[SpideyFan866]

let's be honest here, nolan's batman hardly feels like batman at all (I'm not going to kill you but I'm not going to save you. the **** does that even MEAN?).

burton's batman acted far more like batman. figuring out the anti that mixing household products creates joker toxin and the anti toxin, the look and the batmobile but none of that matters because nolan's movies are just way better with regards to plot, pacing and character developement and at the end of the day (to me at least) makes them better movies.

that being said when nolan buggers off we can get back to batman who looks and feels like batman (thank goodness!)

going back to the end swing if they aren't going to have it then replace it with something better, the the movie on an incredible high so you are desparate for more. the truth about SM1 and SM2 is I didn't want the movie to end and I was left wanting more. so end with a high.

Agreed. One of my main issues with the Nolan Batman filmsis that Batman relies on Lucius Fox for EVERYTHING! In the comics, while Lucius did provide Batman with certain tech, it was really only in special situation. Lucius mainly covered for bruce when tech Wayne developed in Wayne labs went "missing".

They made Bats too needy in the Nolan Films.

and I hate the Bruce and Rachel love story with a passion that burns hotter than 1000 white suns!

 

[SpideyFan866]

Would have to agree that Iron Man was pretty much perfect in terms of origin and character of Tony Stark.

When I saw the Cap comic in the movie, I just assumed it was a morale booster that the US government were putting out along with the shows using Cap to raise money for the war effort. It didn't seem strange to me.

But then, I'm strange in other ways...

It just seemed strange to me because

1) Why would the comic the movie is baed on be in the movie?

and

2) WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THE GOVERNMENT REVEAL EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW CAP WAS CREATED AND THE IDENTITIES OF THE PEOPLE CLOSEST TO HIM FOR THE SAKE OF A COMIC!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SpideyFan866]

If the criteria is faithfulness, even judging from the spy pics and trailer, this film falls far short.

And Nolan's films aren't as unfaithful as reputed to be. Certainly not anyless so than this flick.

I think you meant to make that statement the other way around.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I disagree. Nolan treats the material with great reverence and takes it very seriously. His Batman films are great character studies first, superhero films second, like many of the best superhero films are.

I know that but that doesn't change the fact the he changes much of what makes the characters unique in the comics to fit his vision.

If any other director did that (like say Marc Webb and the blakc crotch suit), fans would tear him apart but because its Chris Nolan, he can do no wrong where in actuality, he's done more wrong than any other CBM director.

I mean really, must I mention his downright refusal to include Robin or even mention him. I mean really, he's concluding Batman (he'll retire for good or die) in TDKR but I mean really. All powerful visionary Chris Nolan can't come up with a way of making so that Robin being there makes sense and is beneficial to the plot and not hokey? **** you Nolan.

Nolan is a hack when it comes to making a CBM. I'm not saying his Batman films are bad because I think Batman Begins is one of the best CBMs of all time (but even that i flawed) but when it comes to TDK and likely TDKR, the Greatest CBMs of all time and the perfect CBM trilogy they are far, Far, FAR from.

I will applaud Nolan for contributing to the movement and notion that CBMS can be taken seriously be he in no way contributed to the notion that they can be very close to the source material and not be changed drastically.

That's why I feel bad for CBMS that have been released in the past like, and particularly, Watchmen. Watchmen was a much, much better film than it was given credit for. I really feel like in this day and age that if it ain't Nolan, it ain't right when it comes to CBMS and that's wrong.

Many CBMS have shown that CBMs can be taken seriously. Heck, look at Captain America. When watching that, I sometimes forget that its a CBM. It tells the story that well and acheives its goal of not being hokey.

In conclusion, Nolan is given waay to much credit. Good movies are his Btman films but Good CBMs they are not.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

It just seemed strange to me because

1) Why would the comic the movie is baed on be in the movie?

and

2) WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THE GOVERNMENT REVEAL EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW CAP WAS CREATED AND THE IDENTITIES OF THE PEOPLE CLOSEST TO HIM FOR THE SAKE OF A COMIC!!!!!!!!!!

But that's assuming that all the details would be put into the movie universe Cap comic, I just didn't see it that way.
However I'm not trying to argue with you. We all see things in our own ways.
It's pretty much a throwaway scene and does not need that close of a scrutinisation.

 

[SpideyFan866]

No thatI think about it, It is a tie between Iron Man and Batman Begins for the title of best CBM.

TDK is not becuase well, that film is based on Batman but its is not an adaptation of Batman.

 

[SpideyFan866]

But that's assuming that all the details would be put into the movie universe Cap comic, I just didn't see it that way.
However I'm not trying to argue with you. We all see things in our own ways.
It's pretty much a throwaway scene and does not need that close of a scrutinisation.

Yeah. Its still a great film regardless. Tied with Iron Man for best Marvel Studios CBM.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Yeah. Its still a great film regardless. Tied with Iron Man for best Marvel Studios CBM.

Incredible Hulk is better imo than the rest of the Marvel films

 

[SpideyFan866]

Incredible Hulk is better imo than the rest of the Marvel films

IDK Incredible Hulk is a mixed bag for me. In some ways it is the best and in others it isn't.

But I guess it could be seen that way.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I think you meant to make that statement the other way around.

No. I meant it the right way across.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Another reason I think as final swing should be included is because personally, I think it's a perfect exclimation point to a Spider-Man film adaption.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Another reason I think as final swing should be included is because personally, I think it's a perfect exclimation point to a Spider-Man film adaption.

Agreed. Althought for this movie, I think they should have a segement after it to set up the 2nd film.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm fine with either one.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

No. I meant it the right way across.

In what way, though? What specifically are you referring to? You made a blanket statement without given your reasoning for backing it up.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I actually don't want to see a final swing.

I want them to have their own way of ending the movie, even if it's just a... y'know, normal ending.

I want to see an ending where they set up the villain for the next movie.

 

[spider-neil]

and I hate the Bruce and Rachel love story with a passion that burns hotter than 1000 white suns!

there seems to be such a blind spot for this tacked on love story, it's TERRIBLE. I listened a reviewer rip into the pete/mj love story and then defend the bruce/rachael love story. it's worse, MUCH worse at least maguire and dunst had chemistry I didn't feel any chemistry with either rachael. 'it's not who I am but what I DOOOOOO that defines me'. ha ha hilarious