Does anyone find the Hulk a bit overpowered?

[Mr. Green]

Yeah, it's not like he doesn't know what he's doing. He has a bunch of pretty good moves, ie: ground smash, thunder clap, as well as some pretty good brawling skills.

Also, if missiles can't slow him down, how can somebody KO him with a punch?

 

[November Rain]

technically if you're strong enough to knock him off his feet, you should be strong enough to ko him

missles work differently from direct strikes.

a ko is about the rapid acceleration and decelleration of the brain hitting the back and front of the brain. it's safe to say that action could be mimmicked by a hit flying him off somewhere only to crash into something suddenly to stop.

now i'm not saying all blows like that should stop him but that's the kind of strength range we're looking at.

one punch may also be an exaggeration but a good few hits with little recovery time should see him dealt with.

 

[November Rain]

I understand what you would say if he had absoltely no fighting skill. It is safe to say that he does after all the years he has been fighting.

savage hulk isn't a tactical brawler.

even if usain bolt ran for his entire life, he'd never beat a world record without sufficient training, he would never even make it to national level.

i understand it may be hard to visualise because everything in a hulk comic pretty much contradicts it but banner's had no official fighting experience and the neither does a savage hulk, he's often associated to an angry child.

the thing is that trained combatants generally relish angry fighters because they are easier to take down.

i also know this general conversation is pointless because it won't change anything but comic writers in teh past arent necessarily well known for the general intellect, i mean this is the same character they say is around 7'-9' ft and they have him picking up tanks and ripping up roads and no one bats an eyelid.

it just turns him into a plot device.

 

[Mr. Green]

The writers disagree with you.

 

[November Rain]

well that's good for them and that's why i don't pay their salaries.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Okay, I understand how that could apply to people who DON'T get stronger as they get madder. But Hulk WOULD get madder if he was in a hold that put him in a lot of pain and he would end up ripping their arms to get out of the hold and then he would kick the **** out of them.

Again, no matter how strong you are without leverage to use that strength you're SOL. Also strength doesn't not let your body bend in ways in cannot. In fact it would make it harder to break a proper lock as your joints and muscles there would become stronger as well. It's a stalemate that the hulk could not get out of without help. How the hell do you think a little **** like gracie can beat the piss out of a giant like shamrock (who's actually got real skills in addition to being a ****ing monster)?

Ok so he rips his own arms off (fairly impossible but it's standard for the hulk) herc then proceeds to beat hulk down with his own arms or just tosses his dumb ass into orbit as hulk can't defend himself.

All I'm saying is regarding skills and fighting ability and logic herc would whip hulk's ass easily one on one.

 

[Mr. Green]

And all I'm saying is that you're completely wrong.

 

[moraldeficiency]

And all I'm saying is that you're completely wrong.

It's like you're going up to a scientist and saying "there's no gravity" and that's it. There's no logic or reasoning other than you're but he get's stronger argument which has nothing to do with leverage or body locks. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you've never sparred before cause you might have a different opinion after understanding that no matter how strong you get your joints will NOT bend the other way. You cannot break your elbow just by trying to exert force in the opposite direction (without using your other arm or an object for leverage of course). It is impossible no matter how strong you are, you also cannot lift your body off the ground by pulling up on your head (but I'm gonna say you probably think hulk could do that too as long as he was really really strong). When you use someone's strenght against them and they have no skill or leverage you win and they lose. Now writers can and do write whatever they like, I'm talking physical laws here there's only one cheat for those in reality.

Seriously go watch a couple gracie fights.

 

[Mr. Green]

Seriously, read a Hulk comic.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Oh, I do, I just prefer good ones. When they get back to something like planet hulk I'm back but until then enjoy fanwanking with loeb. You must love that guy, he's everything you look for in a writer- no logic or common sense, reality defying feats of strength, lack of plot and characterization and lots of punching and general dickishness. Awesome.

 

[Mr. Green]

Actually, I hate Loeb.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Actually, I hate Loeb.

What?!?!?!?!?! He's everything you want in a writer. He never makes sense and does the stupidest impossible thing in every situation. He's everything you love about the worst (or apparently in your case, best) hulk stories in human form. How do you not have a shrine to the man that writes stories just the way you love them?

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Could you name some? Not when they went to him for help, but where he searched them out? Not calling you out or anything, I'm just curious as to what stories you're talking about.

Hulk didnt so much GO to them for "help" as much as need them to bail him out of various battles the team got in...

check Giant Size Defenders #2, Defenders volume I #11, and The Sons Of The Serpent arc, which ran in volume I issues #22 through #25 (iirc)...

Point being, these are instances where The Hulk's abilities were rendered null and void, and he was unable to simply "punch his way" out of the situation...

 

[Mr. Green]

What?!?!?!?!?! He's everything you want in a writer. He never makes sense and does the stupidest impossible thing in every situation. He's everything you love about the worst (or apparently in your case, best) hulk stories in human form. How do you not have a shrine to the man that writes stories just the way you love them?

What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[Mutagen]

I've seen this type of situation before, and strength can overcome certain grapple moves.

 

[Mr. Green]

Especially when that strength can rip someone in half.

 

[lowly marvelite]

Just to add to what Mr. Green says you cannot apply examples of people with static strength to a comic book creature whose strength and powers are dynamic. Plus the Hulk has fought through injury and I am talking about the type that left no skin on his bones.

NR, I know that a boxer can get knocked down because if the concussive nature of a hit to the head without sustaining much external injury. The thing is Hulk will recover at extreme speeds therefore making it difficult to knock him out even though it has happenned even recently.

I disagree. This difference between Marvel comics and some of the others is that they tried to strive for a bit of realism. If you can't loosely base a character's powers on laws of physics, or some sort of concrete criteria, then why observe any established set of rules? For instance, most people would consider it ridiculous if say Daredevil and Hulk were to fight and the majority of wins could be chalked up to Daredevil. Even though a character's set of powers are fantasy, part of the fun is making them somehwhat believable. Otherwise, writer's could just make up any old excuse as to why a character of far less power beats a character of far greater power. Or they could all just be Jeph Loeb clones...

 

[Obi-Ron]

For instance, most people would consider it ridiculous if say Daredevil and Hulk were to fight and the majority of wins could be chalked up to Daredevil.

And yet Batman fans still insist Bats would give Superman trouble.

 

[fifthfiend]

Asking if the Hulk is overpowered is like asking does the Playboy Mansion have too many naked *******. If the answer is no, someone's doing his job wrong.

 

[moraldeficiency]

What the hell is wrong with you?

That's pretty vague and open question so I guess the best way to answer it is to say, a lot.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I've seen this type of situation before, and strength can overcome certain grapple moves.

Prove it.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

For instance, most people would consider it ridiculous if say Daredevil and Hulk were to fight and the majority of wins could be chalked up to Daredevil.

Hahaha that reminded me of an early 80's book where the hulk and DD fought. the very next book opened with DD in a Hospital bed with his mask on and a hospital gown on. He had an IV and oxygen tubes hanging out his nose. Black widow, luke cage and iron fist and some others all showed up at his bedside.They all asked "if there's anything we can do just let us know". I thought that was funny as Hell. See you dont pull on Superman's cape and you dont fight the Hulk if you are DD.

 

[Mutagen]

Prove it.

UFC match on youtube. Brock Lesnar Versus Randy Couture. I stated it earlier, but no one paid attention. I can't post it, but it proves my point that power can overcome guile.

 

[Obi-Ron]

but it proves my point that power can overcome guile.

But can it overcome Chun Li?

 

[moraldeficiency]

UFC match on youtube. Brock Lesnar Versus Randy Couture. I stated it earlier, but no one paid attention. I can't post it, but it proves my point that power can overcome guile.

Oh, I saw that fight, that wasn't strenght breaking a lock with counter motion at all, that was jerk force giving reverse leverage. quite different. Again, joints do not bend in reverse no matter how strong you are.