Dr. Doom vs Darth Vader

We also don't know how powerful the force is or Vader's full potential, but from what I saw Vader do in the movies, Doom will do better.

Can anyone who is a fan of the SW: Expanded Universe elaborate how powerful the force really is?

The power of the Force depends on the person wielding the Force. Vader is an exceptionally powerful Force user. According to the prequel movies, Vader is the Chosen One, who had the potential to be the most powerful Force user of all time, greater than either Yoda or Palpatine. Despite being far less experienced than Obi-Wan Kenobi (who, according to the EU is the master of the Form III defensive lightsaber style), he had his former mentor on the ropes for the entire fight, constantly pushing him back. Anakin only lost because of a moment of stupid arrogance.

After his injuries, Vader suffered from a bruised confidence and mental problems that limited his potential, making him "only" 80% as powerful as Palpatine (according to George Lucas). Still, he was extremely powerful. In the one-shot comic Purge, set shortly after ROTS, Vader takes on eight Jedi Masters and Knights, slaughtering most of them with ease. The last few finally got the better of him before his stormtroopers came to bail him out, but the comic made a point about how this was an inexperienced Vader.

The Force gives Vader exceptional speed, strength, agility, and leaping abilities. It also grants him precognition and danger sense, allowing him to anticipate his opponent's moves before they even make them.

One of the deadliest Force abilities is telekinesis. Lots of people bring up "Force Choke," but that's only scratching the surface of what Vader can do. Vader only bothers choking people he wants to torture, such as Imperial officers who have failed him. As shown in the movies, novels, Clone Wars cartoons, and comics, Jedi are easily capable of hurling multi-ton objects around and crushing their opponents instantaneously.

In the Clone Wars cartoon, Anakin telekinetically stabbed the severed leg of an enemy walker into another vehicle, destroying it. Mace Windu and Yoda were able to shove aside dozens of battle droids, and Mace crushed General Grievous's chest (along with his internal organs) with a thought.

In the Dark Empire comic, Luke was able to bring down AT-ATs with his telekinesis.

In the novel The Courtship of Princess Leia, the Dark Side witch Gethzerion instantly ruptured a major blood vessel in Luke's brain, and he would have been finished if she didn't leave him for dead, allowing him to heal himself with the Force.

Vader is technically capable of using Dark Side lightning, but according to the author of the novel Dark Lord, he doesn't because the electricity can screw up his suit.

The Empire Strikes Back shows that Vader can kill someone without even looking directly at them, such as when he choked Admiral Ozzel over a viewscreen.

As shown in the various movies, Force users can use their powers to deflect, or even absorb harmful energy attacks, such as blaster bolts or Force lightning.

The most powerful Force feats were done by the Dark Empire Palpatine clone (the original Palpatine had transferred his soul into a fresh new body after his death, and spent 6 years studying the Dark Side). He was able to summon "Force Storms," which were holes in space-time which he could use to teleport things across the galaxy, or even tear apart entire fleets of starships. Vader never came close to this mastery of the Dark Side.

I'm not going to get involved in this versus debate, since I'm not knowledgable about what Doom can do. I'm just informing everyone about what the movies and EU have shown Vader to be capable of.
 
Doom's will is too powerful for the force to have a significant affect on him.
 
I see it going a little like this.
Vader comes to earth. He sees doom as a serious threat, attempts to dipose him. He enters doom's castle, attempts to force choke doom at first sight. It seems to have no affect on doom, so vader switches to light saber tactics. after a short battle vader cuts doom in half. Metal innards spew out. Vader has only managed to kill a doombot, meanwhile the real doom has been watching the fight finding vader's weakness. One well placed blast from his gauntlets disables vaders life support systems, and as he suffocates, doom watches, wondering if he can salvage any alien tech from vader's suit.
 
Wouldn't someone w/Doom's mystical abilities be able to sense Vader's power?
 
That he can't breathe worth a damn? Could Doom maybe blast his helmet off?
 
I dunno, it seems pretty evenly matched to me, but if what clarkluther55 said is true, I say vader.
 
The novels I've read all suggest that Vader's power has been greatly diminished by the damage to his body cause by Obi-Wan & the lava, hence he can't summon "lightning" or do all the fancy tricks he did when he was whole. Although he can deflect lasers w/his hands.
 
I think a great spin we could put on this debate is instead of a one on one fight, they both had their armies.

Think about it, both characters are not only extremely powerful individuals, but both are leaders (or at least high up on the chain of command) of very large, very powerful armies. Imagine, the Empire vs. Dr. Doom, his Doombots, and whoever else would follow him into battle.

I've never been an avid Fantastic Four reader, so I dont know enough about Doom or what he's capable of to know who would win that battle, but I do know enough to realize that in a one-on-one fight, Doom would wipe the floor with Vader without breaking a sweat.
 
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The novels I've read all suggest that Vader's power has been greatly diminished by the damage to his body cause by Obi-Wan & the lava, hence he can't summon "lightning" or do all the fancy tricks he did when he was whole. Although he can deflect lasers w/his hands.

Didn't think that would be a problem since most of the Jedi are dead. So he's not much on the metachlorians as Darth Vader, eh?
 
This isn't even a contest. Vader would destroy Doom without even blinking an eye under that mask of his. For all you people out there who bring up the doombots, how can you think that someone as strong in the force as Vader wouldn't see that the thing he was fighting wasn't even alive? Pretty weak comments if you ask me. From a ways away, Vader just kills him with a thought. If Doom manages to get close, he dies by a lightsaber. Either way, Doom dies. Period.
 
Doom takes this with minor difficulties.

Bullcrap:woot:

Seriously has everyone been taking insano pills? Vader would CRUSH Doom.

People don't understand how strong novel/Comic,Animated Series Jedi are! Vader could literally crush Dooms entire castle in seconds. He could kill Doom could literally sit outside the castle and sense doom and then kill him! WATCH CLONE WARS!

Think about it.....The force LITERALLY allows short term precognition so he'd know what Doom could do before he'd do it and before Doom utters a word for a spell he would be litterally ripped in two! Hell Vader could make Dooms suit impode on itself with the snap of a finger.
 
This is almost exactly like putting Doom up against Magneto! They are on different levels....now Doom with prep thats a totally different monster.
 
Doom can challenge the gods themselves. Vader, or as the ladies call him "annie". Not so much.
 
i should have known better than to start this thread. star wars fans will never back down, and neither will we the proud comic fanatics. I guess we are at an impass. perhaps I was a fool, and yet perhaps custer was a fool, as well as bush and nixon, and. . . where the hell am i going with this????
 
Isn't there a thread on this type of topic? Vader wins hands down force choke ftw....anywho, this be a good thing for the toon v. toon thread if its still around.

or the action heroes thread
 
after seeing episode 1,2 and 3 I want to see Vader get crushed just so i can pretend that its hayden christiansen being crushed.
 
Doom would win.. For one, Doom would probably send Doombots first it'd be alot safer, Doom has faced threats far worse than Vader, if Doom could beat a god and steal his power and look badass in the process (Beyonder) than a scared cyborg with a combo hot welder/glowstick and mediocre magic tricks would be childs play..
 

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