Dr. Gordon Returns to Saw 7

[bullets]

Ohhh,it just dawned on me that Dr.Gordon was only able to prevent Hoffman's perfect getaway because Jill passed on information to him regarding his hideout and his name,Gordon didn't know what Hoffman looked like so he required his name to find out what he looks like.

Doe's anyone know how Dr.Gordon found out that Jill died? Nothing at all indicated that he had a way to realize that.

Gordon is the one who left a note on Hoffman's desk saying " I know who you are" , right? So presumably Gordon has been watching from the sidelines the whole time. As for why he didn't interfere and who his two buddies are it lends itself to theory.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Gordon is the one who left a note on Hoffman's desk saying " I know who you are" , right? So presumably Gordon has been watching from the sidelines the whole time. As for why he didn't interfere and who his two buddies are it lends itself to theory.

Yup,my bad. That fact slipped my mind.

 

[SuperBatman]

Ohhh,it just dawned on me that Dr.Gordon was only able to prevent Hoffman's perfect getaway because Jill passed on information to him regarding his hideout and his name,Gordon didn't know what Hoffman looked like so he required his name to find out what he looks like.

Doe's anyone know how Dr.Gordon found out that Jill died? Nothing at all indicated that he had a way to realize that.

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I may have to watch it again but I am sure there was a report on the news when Hoffman was setting fire to the place on the news about the Massacre at the Police Station that Jill was found dead.

 

[Mr. Para-Normal]

Now that the series is completely let me just say what a waste of time and ''story.", these movies could never make up their mind. ''AMANDA IS THE APPRENTINCE! NO HOFFMAN! NO JILL! NO HOFFMAN! NO GORDON!"

Glad this mess of a series is over.

This movie series may have flaws but at least it's not boring like the para- normal activity movies. Where you have to sit through boring scenes for like 30 mins or more before the good stuff happens. Then it ends.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I agree,John inadvertently managed to get Hoffman killed. Geesh,so he unintentionally got three people killed.

And I am starting to think that Dr.Gordon screwed up too,I mean John was vague about telling him to take care of Jill if something happened to her.

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How was he vague? I think "If anything happens to Jill, I want you to act quickly" is pretty to the point and self explanatory. He definitely didn't screw up and he didn't give Hoffman an opportunity to escape. He ended Jigsaw's puzzle.

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I understand people saying how the lack of story affects this too. Where was the FBI? Remember, Strahm was technically still the last "apprentice" to Jigsaw. There at least should've been some mention of it on the news, right? At least mention "the bodies of FBI agents Erickson, Lindsay Perez, and Peter Strahm were found today.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Now that the series is completely let me just say what a waste of time and ''story.", these movies could never make up their mind. ''AMANDA IS THE APPRENTINCE! NO HOFFMAN! NO JILL! NO HOFFMAN! NO GORDON!"

Glad this mess of a series is over.

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Actually there was a story if you paid attention. Amanda was tested to see if she was capable of carrying on John's legacy, she failed her test and Hoffman became the next apprentice. He eventually became the successor after he passed his test. But once he started killing his test subjects and was hungry for revenge, John gave specific orders for Gordon to act quickly.

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Gordon seemed to appreciate his life more and showed he was willing to fight for his life after cauterizing his foot. Needless to say his area of surgical expertise was a much needed asset to John.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

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How was he vague? I think "If anything happens to Jill, I want you to act quickly" is pretty to the point and self explanatory. He definitely didn't screw up and he didn't give Hoffman an opportunity to escape. He ended Jigsaw's puzzle.

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I understand people saying how the lack of story affects this too. Where was the FBI? Remember, Strahm was technically still the last "apprentice" to Jigsaw. There at least should've been some mention of it on the news, right? At least mention "the bodies of FBI agents Erickson, Lindsay Perez, and Peter Strahm were found today.

I know that he said that,but to me he was vague because he didn't go deep into what he wanted Dr.Gordon to exactly do if something happened to Jill. Keep in mind how John Kramer never killed anyone with the traps,I mean in his mind he provided his test subjects with a way out,I know that Hoffman wasn't put in a trap once Dr.Gordon kidnapped him but still. So in a sense his character wasn't really spot on and it takes away his certain distinctiveness a bit imo. It was a bad idea.

 

[The Dark Defender]

The more people that got involved, the MORE complex and involving the story got, not less.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Question:

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Did they even go into detail about Gordon and his family? Did he get back to them? Did they even mention his family again?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Question:

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Did they even go into detail about Gordon and his family? Did he get back to them? Did they even mention his family again?

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No, but I may need to go back and watch Saw 1. But in Saw 1 did he have on his wedding band during the bathroom trap? Because in Saw 7 he didn't have it on. It's possible that after he completed John's task he went back to them. But no it's not mentioned.

 

[bullets]

Question:

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Did they even go into detail about Gordon and his family? Did he get back to them? Did they even mention his family again?

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No mention of them

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I know that he said that,but to me he was vague because he didn't go deep into what he wanted Dr.Gordon to exactly do if something happened to Jill. Keep in mind how John Kramer never killed anyone with the traps,I mean in his mind he provided his test subjects with a way out,I know that Hoffman wasn't put in a trap once Dr.Gordon kidnapped him but still. So in a sense his character wasn't really spot on and it takes away his certain distinctiveness a bit imo. It was a bad idea.

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No, but maybe Gordon knew exactly what he wanted? I'm sure they had talks about Hoffman during their time when John was nursing him back to health. I believe once Hoffman started killing(John had to know this was going to happen), probably told Gordon if anything happened to Jill put Hoffman where he belongs.

Remember, it was Hoffman who initially set up Gordon as Jigsaw when he planted his surgical pen there(ordered by John to do it)

It's twisted when you think about it.

 

[Legion]

I know that he said that,but to me he was vague because he didn't go deep into what he wanted Dr.Gordon to exactly do if something happened to Jill. Keep in mind how John Kramer never killed anyone with the traps,I mean in his mind he provided his test subjects with a way out,I know that Hoffman wasn't put in a trap once Dr.Gordon kidnapped him but still. So in a sense his character wasn't really spot on and it takes away his certain distinctiveness a bit imo. It was a bad idea.

You keep going back to this idea that they tried to murder Hoffman. In Saw VI Jill put Hoffman in the reverse bear trap with restraints on because he isn't the usual test subject. He was Jigsaw's apprentice and now the new Jigsaw. He has built elaborate traps and games himself. He knows how they work.

His escape from the trap was more technical and methodical than what would be expected from a test subject. He had a clear head and reacted very quickly and was able to use his environment in his escape.

I think in Saw3D Hoffman's test is continuing. If he had learned his lesson he wouldn't have pursued Jill and Gordon wouldn't have locked him up. That wasn't a death sentence either. Eric was able to escape his shackles without using a saw. If there's a will there's a way.

However I don't think Hoffman has that will to survive. He doesn't respect life. He is a murderer. As I explained he was able to escape the previous trap because of the knowledge he learned from Jigsaw. He is like a magician and he knows the tricks inside out.

At the end of Saw 3D Gordon locks Hoffman up in what is the simplest and perhaps deadliest trap in the series. His knowledge of the traps won't save him here. Only his will to survive can save him.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

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No, but maybe Gordon knew exactly what he wanted? I'm sure they had talks about Hoffman during their time when John was nursing him back to health. I believe once Hoffman started killing(John had to know this was going to happen), probably told Gordon if anything happened to Jill put Hoffman where he belongs.

Remember, it was Hoffman who initially set up Gordon as Jigsaw when he planted his surgical pen there(ordered by John to do it)

It's twisted when you think about it.

Yeah,Hoffman did frame Gordon with the pen. Just to make sure I have this right,you're saying that Hoffman framed Gordon because Kramer wanted him to?!

 

[nocomics]

Yeah,Hoffman did frame Gordon with the pen. Just to make sure I have this right,you're saying that Hoffman framed Gordon because Kramer wanted him to?!

I believe thats what hes saying and I believe it to be correct. In Saw V when Hoffman was helping John with the traps. I believe he told Hoffman theres a doctor who needs some healing while handing him the pen.

 

[Mace Dolex]

Just got from seeing it and wow what a clever way to end the series.

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Loved it when Dr. Gordon at end looks at the hacksaw he used on himself and says to Hoffman "not this time", he even spotted his decaying foot.

I know that a Saw VIII was planned but got crammed into Saw VII's storyline which kind of makes me curious why Jigsaw had those other random people in the traps such as the two guys tied to the saw blades and that one guy stuck to the seat of his car.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

The more people that got involved, the MORE complex and involving the story got, not less.

No. It just made it more and more worthy of rolling your eyes. There's such a thing as being too complex. They were more lame twists to surprise us rather than actual story moments.

 

[thejon93]

Just got from seeing it and wow what a clever way to end the series.

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Loved it when Dr. Gordon at end looks at the hacksaw he used on himself and says to Hoffman "not this time", he even spotted his decaying foot.

I know that a Saw VIII was planned but got crammed into Saw VII's storyline which kind of makes me curious why Jigsaw had those other random people in the traps such as the two guys tied to the saw blades and that one guy stuck to the seat of his car.

I would've loved to have seen another 'Saw' film close the deal on the series, as opposed to one that felt overstuffed at a runtime barely over an hour. I didn't enjoy this "last installment" at all. That last minute bull---- at the end was a big FU, something that could've been further developed in another sequel. But, oh well... That's the end of it. I expect a remake in about five or so years.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I would've loved to have seen another 'Saw' film close the deal on the series, as opposed to one that felt overstuffed at a runtime barely over an hour. I didn't enjoy this "last installment" at all. That last minute bull---- at the end was a big FU, something that could've been further developed in another sequel. But, oh well... That's the end of it. I expect a remake in about five or so years.

They could always release a directors cut with some deleted scenes included. I get the feeling that there was some stuff cut out of this film honestly.

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If there is an unrated extended cut hopefully we get some more development with Gordon, Hoffman, and maybe some more backstory on the test subjects in general.

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I'm thinking Hoffman did know about Gordon which explains his reaction when he first saw him and then when he was locked in the bathroom. Apparently there was a scene written in a script where after Hoffman is fatally injured(which I assume is when Jill put him in the bear trap), he looks at a photo of Dr. Gordon and says "It's in your hands now", which kind of explains why he picked up the photos of Dagen.

And why Gordon was attending the self help group meetings for so long.

 

[bullets]

I suppose they could make a sequel to flesh out Gordon's involvement but it would feel like the last couple sequels . Maybe this won't be the last

 

[The Shape]

So the series has ended with the ending that basically all of us guessed beforehand. Not fulfilling enough to make up for last bunch of ****** sequels. I really loved the first Saw, because of it's originality and the fact that it was as much of a thriller as it was a gorefest. I hoped that this last Saw would really tie the series up, but at the end it's like, that's it? Big deal.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

So the series has ended with the ending that basically all of us guessed beforehand. Not fulfilling enough to make up for last bunch of ****** sequels. I really loved the first Saw, because of it's originality and the fact that it was as much of a thriller as it was a gorefest. I hoped that this last Saw would really tie the series up, but at the end it's like, that's it? Big deal.

Yep. Pretty much my feelings.

 

[Mace Dolex]

Changing subject here but of all of Jigsaw's traps the one that never got explained was the glass case with all the broken glass, you know the one in which Hoffman saved himself before the walls crushed Strahm in Saw V.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Changing subject here but of all of Jigsaw's traps the one that never got explained was the glass case with all the broken glass, you know the one in which Hoffman saved himself before the walls crushed Strahm in Saw V.

It was just suppose to be a safe haven/escape.

 

[Warhammer]

Well I don't think John or Jill were trying to murder Hoffman, it was a test. In saw VI in flash back I think Amanda even called him out, that he had never been tested.

If the trap was inescapable Hoffman wouldn't have survived. Thing is that Hoffman took it personal. Probably because of is ego as Jigsaw he didnt obtain any kind of enlightenment.

Also I always that that Jill was a character that needed to be tested. John had warned her about working with dangerous people at the clinic. She was committed to her work and eventually lost the baby because of her devotion.

John didnt have it in him to test her or leave detailed instructions but he did arrange a scenario where she may or may not survive.

Jill did try to kill Hoffman. She didn't give him the key to the trap, so he had to break the actual trap himself.