Sci-Fi Dune

[Persona]

But my whole thing is splitting Dune in half really only make sense narratively if you are aligning your movie split with the time skip. Then it is actually something that can work to the movie's favor as opposed to just being something forced by logistics, length, expenses or whatever.

It's certainly possible Denis has something not at all obvious in mind for this and maybe it could work fine, but for the time being I have to assume he will be starting part 2 after the skip and might be utilizing some flashbacks to fill in backstory gaps.

 

[Micromind]

It was the fifth most watched program this year in HBO Max, while it did the biggest opening weekend for WB in cinemas in the US. Box office numbers that were hurt due to day-and-date release and HD leaks that happened days before it was out because of it. You also must have missed the fact that all studios are dropping the hybrid model now and the hundreds of millions Warner have lost this year because of it. It might had been helpful when most cinemas were closed back in December, but after March it became a fiasco. Dune: Part 2 wasn't greenlit because of the hybrid model strategy. It was green lit despite it.

No, I stand by my comment. for a moment just set aside Warner brothers, day & date release strategy for other WB movies and look just at Dune.

Dune is a movie that still exists in a category between mainstream commercial movies and art house Sci-Fi movies (like Duncan Jones' Moon (2009)), so it's anybody's guess as to how much Dune would have earned had they gone for just theatrical release. Right now, it has reached many more viewers who might not have seen it in theaters.

Since it's not a movie that has four quadrant appeal like Star Wars, at the most, it would have made back it's budget, but barely breaking even might not have guaranteed a sequel.

 

[Deck Rickard]

1 - Congrats on the new baby!

2 - I 100% feel your pain, lol! Mine is now 15 months and I still don't have that luxury without a babysitter very often

Thank you! Congrats to you as well! And yes… it’s tough to find time to do the things you used to do every day, lol. But worth it.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Filmfreak]

No, I stand by my comment. for a moment just set aside Warner brothers, day & date release strategy for other WB movies and look just at Dune.

Dune is a movie that still exists in a category between mainstream commercial movies and art house Sci-Fi movies (like Duncan Jones' Moon (2009)), so it's anybody's guess as to how much Dune would have earned had they gone for just theatrical release. Right now, it has reached many more viewers who might not have seen it in theaters.

Since it's not a movie that has four quadrant appeal like Star Wars, at the most, it would have made back it's budget, but barely breaking even might not have guaranteed a sequel.

Something really important to keep in mind is that Legendary were the ones that greenlit the sequel, not WB. They were the ones who almost sued Warner for the release of their films and got paid all the money they spent in production (80% of Dune's budget in this instance) because HBO Max subscriptions didn't benefit them in any way. WB lost even more money trying to please all parties involved in this production. And after all the drama, less than two million streamed it, which is not really that impressive.

I really don't see any scenario in which WB didn't hurt the movie's chances for a sequel with their decisions. The fact that most people loved it and it did relatively well in cinemas were the aspects that negated the whole hybrid model and gave this film a chance. Day-and-date looks like a dying strategy and thank God for that.

 

[TheVileOne]

US Only numbers (excluding people who watched movies on other devices like mobiles phones, tablets, Playstation connected to not Smart TV's)

Day and date streaming model for these types of movies is ridiculous.

 

[VTGuy]

Casting for Feyd and Shaddam…

Feyd. The younger nephew and heir of the Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, and nearly as cruel, treacherous, and cunning as his uncle.

• Barry Keoghan, 29
• Joe Alwyn, 30
  
• Nicholas Hoult, 31
• Robert Pattinson, 35
• George MacKay, 29
• Will Poulter, 29
• Shia LaBeouf, 35
• Jai Courtney, 35
• Ansel Elgort, 27

Shaddam. Emperor of the Known Universe ("noted to be 72 years old yet looking no older than 35")

• Alexander Skarsgård, 45
• August Diehl, 45
• Michael Fassbender, 44
• Michael Shannon, 47
• Hugh Jackman, 53
• Joel Edgerton, 47
• Daniel Craig, 53
• Mads Mikkelsen, 55
• Marton Csokas, 55

You have some excellent options, I added a couple more bits in Bold

Thinking about it more and I'm leaning more toward the younger end for Feyd. I feel like him and Paul should be roughly the same age range.

 

[Man in the Suit]

Forbes writer Scott Mendelson says it made $3.9 million on Tuesday. Five day total: $48.5M.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I bought this was superb, great world building, good characters played by really good actors, closer to the book than the Lynch movie and with an epic and grandiose scale. I wish part 2 was out tomorrow but I will be watching part 1 again numerous times before it does.

9/10

 

[Marvolo]

 

[Pennywise]

 

[-Arya-]

Go for it Denis.

 

[Drizzle]

Might as well make it a trilogy with Messiah.

 

[Sithborg]

I say, go for 5 movies, split up Children into 2.

Anyway, saw it in Imax today. I really, really loved this movie. All the changes that Villenueve made made sense to me. I will probably post a longer review raving over this later, but yeah, I loved it and want so much more.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Might as well make it a trilogy with Messiah.

You can't end it with Messiah. Children is basically the end of the first "trilogy". Basically what you have is:

First trilogy
- Dune
- Messiah
- Children

God Emperor the connective middle story.

Second trilogy
- Heretics
- Chapterhouse
- Unreleased final story

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I say, go for 5 movies, split up Children into 2.

Anyway, saw it in Imax today. I really, really loved this movie. All the changes that Villenueve made made sense to me. I will probably post a longer review raving over this later, but yeah, I loved it and want so much more.

Did he make a lot of changes?

 

[Sithborg]

Did he make a lot of changes?

Yeah, kinda. Some minor details. Dropped a few scenes (only one I would have liked to keep). He dropped a major subplot, but it makes complete sense for him to do so, as it would have dragged the middle section of the movie out needlessly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, kinda. Some minor details. Dropped a few scenes (only one I would have liked to keep). He dropped a major subplot, but it makes complete sense for him to do so, as it would have dragged the middle section of the movie out needlessly.

That is all standard adaptation stuff. We also know he filmed a lot more then was in the movie.

Can you really think of a lot of movies more faithful to the source material this this flick? Just compare it to the LotR, which is considered the "gold standard" for most. That has far more difference then Denis' Dune.

 

[Sithborg]

That is all standard adaptation stuff. We also know he filmed a lot more then was in the movie.

Can you really think of a lot of movies more faithful to the source material this this flick? Just compare it to the LotR, which is considered the "gold standard" for most. That has far more difference then Denis' Dune.

Like I said, all of it makes perfect sense to me. I would have liked to have seen the dinner scene, but that is about it. Some of the other stuff I didn't really miss.

 

[Drizzle]

You can't end it with Messiah. Children is basically the end of the first "trilogy". Basically what you have is:

First trilogy
- Dune
- Messiah
- Children

God Emperor the connective middle story.

Second trilogy
- Heretics
- Chapterhouse
- Unreleased final story

Here's hoping it gets that far and this is a bonafide franchise for WB and if it is, that Denis is willing to stay on board without getting creatively exhausted as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Like I said, all of it makes perfect sense to me. I would have liked to have seen the dinner scene, but that is about it. Some of the other stuff I didn't really miss.

But again, that's not lot of changes.

Here's hoping it gets that far and this is a bonafide franchise for WB and if it is, that Denis is willing to stay on board without getting creatively exhausted as well.

I hope he does the Paul trilogy. It would be great.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I wonder if we’ll be seeing more sci-fi epics coming down the pipe now with Dune’s success. Wouldn’t mind a Hyperion Cantos series. Book of the New Sun either, but I wouldn’t even know how one would being to translate that into a filmable script.

 

[Sawyer]

If Javier Bardem doesn’t deliver “We have wormsign the likes of which even GOD has never seen” in the same manner as Everett McGill, then what’s even the point of doing a Part II?

 

[DKDetective]

That is all standard adaptation stuff. We also know he filmed a lot more then was in the movie.

Can you really think of a lot of movies more faithful to the source material this this flick? Just compare it to the LotR, which is considered the "gold standard" for most. That has far more difference then Denis' Dune.

Not quite true. Jackson and co.'s changes seemed to multiple upon each other as that trilogy went on. If you directly compare Fellowship and Dune Part I, I think the former compares favourably with the latter in terms of faithfulness.

I need to see it again, but as much as I really enjoyed the movie and thought it was a beautiful bit of filmmaking, certain cuts bugged me. There was a part of me that found the narrative too streamlined and potentially lacking in depth. For instance, I would have loved to have a more fulsome plotting session with the Baron at the outset as in the book. I think it would have helped some viewers get into the world more and it would have been a wonderful moment to really establish the Baron as a wonderful classical scenery chewing villain.

Second, I found the cuts to Dr. Yueh's story hurt the narrative a little and I very much would have liked to see the dinner scene. In particular, I worry that the cuts to the traitor subplot will undermine certain character decisions later. It will arguably result in bigger changes in Part II, just as small changes in Fellowship begot larger changes in Two Towers and Return of the King.

We can only judge the faithfulness of the adaptation when we see the story in full.

 

[antsman41]

Honestly, just make the next film 2.5 hours again… first hour and a half is “part two” of book 1. Then, tag Messiah on for the final hour.

Then, film three can be Children if Dune - but I’d rather Children/God Emperor/Heretics/Chapterhouse just be 6-8 episode seasons that air every two years on HBO. With Denis overseeing this universe… maybe with some of his current Dune team working on these seasons.