Dutch bishop suggests calling God Allah

[Memphis Slim]

Correct me if Im wrong but isn't God's name [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jehovah[/FONT]

Jehovah is an English transcription of [FONT=David,narkisim,&quot]יְהֹוָה[/FONT], which is a specific vocalized spelling of [FONT=David,narkisim,&quot]יהוה[/FONT] (i.e. the Tetragrammaton) that is found in the Masoretic Text.
[FONT=David,narkisim,&quot]יְהֹוָה[/FONT] has the consonants of the Tetragrammaton, and [FONT=David,narkisim,&quot]יְהֹוָה[/FONT] 's vowel points are similar to, but not precisely the same as the vowel points found in Adonai.
Since the beginning of the 17th century, [or possibly even earlier], scholars have questioned whether the vowel points found in [FONT=David,narkisim,&quot]יְהֹוָה[/FONT] are the actual vowel points of God's name. Some scholarly sources teach that [FONT=David,narkisim,&quot]יְהֹוָה[/FONT] has the vowel points of [FONT=David,narkisim,&quot]אֲדֹנָי[/FONT] [i.e. Adonai], but to be redundant, the vowel points of these two words are not precisely the same, and scholars are not in total agreement as to why [FONT=David,narkisim,&quot]יְהֹוָה[/FONT] does not have the precise same vowel points as Adonai has.
The first English translators of [FONT=David,narkisim,&quot]יְהֹוָה[/FONT], believed they had the correct vowel points, and translated it as it was written:
"Jehova" in 1270 A.D. Latin."Iehouah" in 1530 A.D. English."Iehovah" in 1611 A.D. English."Jehovah" in 1769 A.D. English."Yehowah" used by some using another transcription of the consonants of the Tetragrammaton (See Yahweh). Many religious followings, including Catholics [1] and Orthodox Christians have been using the name Jehovah during the last 2 centuries.[2] King-James-Only Movement Christians believe that Jehovah is the correct name that English-speaking people shall use for God.[3] Followers of the Watchtower movement, Jehovah's Witnesses (previously known as International Bible Students until 1931) have been using the name throughout the world (with exceptions) [4] as the most commonly spoken English pronunciation.[5] of the Tetragrammaton.[6] Most search engines (such as Google) will return a large number of WTBTS pages, since the rendering Jehovah (and its variations) appear on virtually every WTBS page. Latter-day Saints believe that Jehovah was the name of the pre-mortal Jesus Christ,[7] and that he is a distinct being from God the Father, whom Latter-day Saints sometimes refer to as Elohim.[8]

Good information....but.....
Hey, Knight dontcha' think it's kinda strange to have that long break down on the name of God while this is bumpin' in our faces? Kinda distractin'....

Just askin.....

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Hahaha, the percentage of self-professed "religious" people here, whose supposed beliefs are not reflected in their behaviour and words at all must be in the high 90's.
It's pretty funny, pretty pathetic.

In the years I've been here, people who seem to live by their beliefs I've seen.....probably Tomahawk45(?), Squeekness,.....maybe ANTHONYNASTI, I'm not familiar with his work enough to know if he's a flaming hypocrite.

Like, it's astounding how many Fierce, FIERCE Catholics there are, who will rain down fire on you for bad-mouthing the church, and then go home, slap a condom on, screw their girlfriend, break the condom, impregnate their girlfriend, and then pay for her abortion, right after they get home from their Gay friend's "Commitment Ceremony".

 

[J. J. Jameson]

I don't mean you should for any particular reason, besides which the Bishop in question was Dutch anyway, so he'd say Godd or Got or something anyway. And it's certainly most often used to refer to the Muslim god in languages other than Arabic, so it's an unnecessary complication to use it for the Christian one. I just thought your disgust for the whole thing seems misplaced.

Where I meant to place my dislike for the idea was the fact that it calls for the meshing of God and Allah (in my mind, at least). That's what disgusts me.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Hey....how 'bout this....

Let's ask the Muslim Clerics to call Him Jehovah. See what they'll say to that.

This Bishop has done and said other whacky things before. He just wants attention.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I agree with the fact that God doesn't care what we call him as long as we recognize him and know where to find him. But "Allah" is just saying "God" in Arabic.

God (English) = Allah (Arabic) = Khodah (Persian) = Ahura Mazda (Old Aryan) = Dieu (French) etc etc

 

[Memphis Slim]

Here's an article that really clears this up.


Is the Allah of Islam the God of the Bible?

by Hank Hanegraaff
“No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.” (1 John 2:23 NIV)

Long before Muhammad was born, Arabic Christians were already referring to God as Allah — and millions continue to do so today. The Allah of Islam, however, is definitely not the God of the Bible; for while Muslims passionately defend the unity of God, they patently deny His triunity. They recoil at the notion of God as Father, reject the unique deity of Jesus Christ the Son, and renounce the divine identity of the Holy Spirit.
First, while Jesus taught His disciples to pray “Our Father in heaven,” devotees of Muhammad find the very notion offensive. To their way of thinking, calling God “Father” and Jesus Christ “Son” suggests sexual procreation. According to the Qur’an, “It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son” (Sura 19:35); and Allah “begetteth not, nor is he begotten” (Sura 112:3). The Bible, however, does not use the term “begotten” with respect to the Father and the Son in the sense of sexual reproduction but rather in the sense of special relationship; thus, when the apostle John speaks of Jesus as “the only begotten of the Father” (John 1:14 KJV, emphasis added), he is underscoring the unique deity of Christ. John goes on to state, “No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known” (John 1:18 NIV). When the apostle Paul likewise refers to Jesus as “the firstborn over all creation” (Colossians 1:15 NIV, emphasis added), he is emphasizing Christ’s preeminence or prime position as the Creator of all things (cf. vv. 16–19). Christians are sons of God through adoption; Jesus is God the Son from all eternity.

Muslims, furthermore, dogmatically denounce the Christian declaration of Christ’s unique deity as the unforgivable sin of shirk. As the Qur’an puts it, “Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this” (Sura 4:116). Muslims readily affirm the sinlessness of Christ, however, they adamantly deny His sacrifice upon the cross and subsequent resurrection. In doing so, they deny the singular historical fact that demonstrates that Jesus does not stand in a long line of peers from Abraham to Muhammad, but is God in human flesh. The Qur’anic phrase, “Allah raised him up” (Sura 4:158) is taken to mean that Jesus was supernaturally raptured rather than resurrected from the dead. In Islamic lore, God made someone look like Jesus, and this look-alike was crucified in His place. In recent years, the myth that Judas was crucified in place of Jesus has been popularized in Muslim circles due to the propagation of a late-medieval work titled The Gospel of Barnabas. Against the weight of historical evidence, the Qur’an exclaims, “they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them” (Sura 4:157).

Finally, in addition to rejecting the divinity of Jesus, Islam also renounces the divine identity of the Holy Spirit. Far from being the third person of the triune God who inspired the text of the Bible, Islam teaches that the Holy Spirit is the archangel Gabriel who dictated the Qur’an to Muhammad over a period of 23 years. This is ironic considering that Islam also identifies the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus in John 14 as Muhammad. The Bible, however, roundly rejects such corruptions and misrepresentations. The Holy Spirit is neither an angel nor a mere mortal; rather, He is the very God Who redeems us from our sins and will one day resurrect us to life eternal (e.g., Acts 5:3–4; Rom. 8:11).
For further study, see Timothy George, Is the Father of Jesus the God of Muhammad? </I>(Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2002).
Tuesday, May 24, 2005

 

[R0rschach]

Nice post slim and you're correct, both christianity and islam make little or no sense.

 

[X-Rated]

I will.

 

[Mister Sinister]

Hey....how 'bout this....

Let's ask the Muslim Clerics to call Him Jehovah. See what they'll say to that.

This Bishop has done and said other whacky things before. He just wants attention.

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[Carcharodon]

^ROTFLMAO. LOVE that movie. t:

 

[Leto Atrides]

Here's an article that really clears this up.


Is the Allah of Islam the God of the Bible?

by Hank Hanegraaff

This article more just shows that Muslim ideas are heretical to Christianity than anything. There have been plenty of Protestant groups that have similarly different ideas.

And really, there's at least as little difference between the Muslim and Christian ideas of God as between Jewish and Christian. They're all splinter groups of one another, Jews > Christianity > Islam, they're the same deities as much as is possible in multiple religions.

 

[primemover]

I have a name for him, Figment . . or Figgy for short.

 

[Leto Atrides]

I have a name for him, Figment . . or Figgy for short.

Whoa, a God isn't real joke, there's only been 8 of them in this thread already.

 

[incubat]

Whoa, a God isn't real joke, there's only been 8 of them in this thread already.

why did the chicken cross the street?

Spoiler

because god isn't real

*drums*

 

[xwolverine2]

ill stick to calling god "xwolverine2" ...."xw2" for short

 

[vibeke_T]

This article more just shows that Muslim ideas are heretical to Christianity than anything. There have been plenty of Protestant groups that have similarly different ideas.

And really, there's at least as little difference between the Muslim and Christian ideas of God as between Jewish and Christian. They're all splinter groups of one another, Jews > Christianity > Islam, they're the same deities as much as is possible in multiple religions.

The "Jewish" God isnt that much different from the "Christian" God [since they share the same scriptures] however Islam relies on an entirely different text to define their god.

 

[Warhammer]

Well, I believe that in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, it is the same God.
The only thing is that these religions started from the same core, then got diluted and separate from each other as time progressed. They are all even monotheistic. All of the holy texts are written by men, anyway, so no matter what I read in the Qur'an, I still hold him to be the same God that I read about in the Bible.

 

[SoulManX]

This why I hate religion it is a stupid stupid concept. It is so out dated if you want to believe in God do it. If you don't then don't. Way to many people have died for an out dated concept not worth it's weight in salt.

 

[Leto Atrides]

The "Jewish" God isnt that much different from the "Christian" God [since they share the same scriptures] however Islam relies on an entirely different text to define their god.

Generally yes, but there's enough missing (the Trinity, Holy Spirit, etc.) that it amounts to the same thing. The first Muslims were early Christians anyway, they believed they had received the true version of what corrupted by the mainstream Jewish and Christian teachings.

 

[incubat]

Generally yes, but there's enough missing (the Trinity, Holy Spirit, etc.) that it amounts to the same thing. The first Muslims were early Christians anyway, they believed they had received the true version of what corrupted by the mainstream Jewish and Christian teachings.

They all agree their religions come from a pact between God and Abraham.