Superman Returns DVD sales info?

[Lucid]

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[Catman]

Does that mean it's not selling well?

What do you think?

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

We'll probably get some figures in tomorrow or Wednesday.

 

[Pickle-El]

Where's the DVD sales info? I can't find it. Does that mean it's not selling well?

Typical Lucid post.

And if it's not? Do you win something? And if it is? What do you get then?



Because we're already getting our sequel.

 

[Docker2.0]

Don't know about Lucid but I was curious as well. True enough, IMHO, the movie did indeed suck, BUT its Superman and with his name alone he should sell. That's why I think the dvd will sell even though it got bad word of mouth and disappointing sells at the B.O.

 

[Excel]

dvd and rentals news arrives once a week on tuesdays.

 

[Pickle-El]

Don't know about Lucid but I was curious as well. True enough, IMHO, the movie did indeed suck, BUT its Superman and with his name alone he should sell. That's why I think the dvd will sell even though it got bad word of mouth and disappointing sells at the B.O.

Contradict posts much?

Try, good WOM while not quite reaching expectations at the B.O. Because, in the little plane of reality of ours, only POTC2 did that in 2006.(at least in the 'blockbuster' category)

SR, by all accounts, should do well through the holiday season. 4 Million sales this first week would be in tune with BB. Considering their performanes, there shouldn't be a realtively huge gap in sales either way.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

If the DVD sells badly, I can see Warner Bros cancelling the sequel.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

They shouldn't cancel the sequel, simply get rid of Singer.

 

[Docker2.0]

Contradict posts much?

Try, good WOM while not quite reaching expectations at the B.O. Because, in the little plane of reality of ours, only POTC2 did that in 2006.(at least in the 'blockbuster' category)

SR, by all accounts, should do well through the holiday season. 4 Million sales this first week would be in tune with BB. Considering their performanes, there shouldn't be a realtively huge gap in sales either way.

Umm, no I meant exactly what I said. It got good reviews but bad word of mouth among audiences. However I do agree with you saying it should still do good since its the holidays and Supes name.

 

[Excel]

even if the dvd sales arent up to expects, the fact of the matter is

1. superman franchise has far too much potential, espec. with potter being caput in a few.

2. it is virtually assured to increase. WITHOUT pirates 2 (aka in ANY OTHER SUMMER!) superman would of done roughly 235/250, or 485 worldwide. The sequel wont be spiderman for sure, but it will top 500 million worldwide, not too mention the enormous amount of toy sales, rentals, and dvd sales. Pirates took away well over 100 million in worldwide box office sales, let alone how much they stole in toys, merchandise dollars and how much ti will steal in dvd sales and rentals. w. b. made the same stupid mistake of releasing sr on dvd just a weke before pirates 2 comes out.

*rolls eyes*

basically, sr was DISSAPPOINTING. But the sequel has NOWHERE to go but up, so there is no logical reason w.b. wouldntg give it one more try. if superman 2 fails, then yeah they might wait a bit. but itd make no sense-and they know it- to stop at just one.

theres no reaosn not to try and fix your mistakes and wb know it they arent stupid. when potters gone, they cannot survive on the batman franchise alone.

the fact, you cannt look at supermans box office run like any other.

first ff, the marketing clearly worked. Superman Returns 108 million dollar opening week was the 5th highest ever for a non sequel (which means a lot in todays box office). The film got great reviews.

ok. So we have :

1. great marketing as shown by opening week and sky rocketing expectations week of release.
2. great wom as shown by reviews and late word of mouth.

SO what went wrong?

MAYBE it was having the most hyped movie EVER open the week after it?

seriously, if you take that one mistake of release date away, superman would been a big hit, that is why you cannot look at supermans run as dissappointing. given the circumstances, it did very well. if you just say " a superman movie only getting 200 million" then yeahits dissappointing. but if you say the facts and say "the first superman movie in 20 years coming out in a time of over comic explosure and going up against the biggest hype machine ever got 200 million" doesnt sound nearly as bad and thats the truth.

or in other words-its very VERY unreasonable to have expected anything more out of supermans box office due to the circumstances. W.B. made an idiotic mistake of opening supermqan so close to pirates and they didnt realize it to early june, hence moving it wednesday. but they knew they couldnt open it again click cause

1. its take away business
2. pirates would just move up to july 4th

so they kinda ****ed themselves over and realized it way too late. It goes way back to FEB. 05 when all summer 06 was open and they put POEIDON on may 5th-where it would eventually move-and superman on july 30th.

if they switch it, and put poseidon on june 30th and superman on may 5th, mi3 would of taken memorial day, x3 would of taken july 4th.

AND poseidon would of bombed just as it, but superman-with the same marketing plan-would of done roughly 80/250.

supermans release date DESTROYED its box office potential from the get go. plain and simple.

 

[SCLJ]

They shouldn't cancel the sequel, simply get rid of Singer.

Or better yet, get rid of Singer, and restart the franchise.

 

[Uncanny]

I really don't think the dvd sales are doing super or it would be all over superherohype. For Superman, this was not a good Superman movie at all. Same as the first movie, but with a dumb kid in it.

 

[Ziggy]

I will say that in all honesty the DVD seems to be selling at least respectable numbers around here. Target sold out of their exclusive copy in two days or so (I got a copy and recommended it to a friend, who went and was told they were sold out), and the local Blockbuster (which has a "Guaranteed In Stock" provision on Superman Returns) was actually out of the movie when I went there two nights ago.

Just my input, I know it's variable everywhere.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

I really don't think the dvd sales are doing super or it would be all over superherohype. For Superman, this was not a good Superman movie at all. Same as the first movie, but with a dumb kid in it.

Numbers aren't released until the week after the initial DVD release. The only time we get news on sales the next day are when a DVD does ridiculously high numbers. Batman Begins didn't have its sales figures released til a week after its release, why doesn't it get trashed?

 

[The Kid]

They shouldn't cancel the sequel, simply get rid of Singer.

There's a problem with that. A sequel will be stuck with returns' stain on the franchise, Singer or not. If ever there is to be a reboot, it'll probably be years from now when we're all dead.

 

[Lighthouse]

I don't understand how the disappointment of Superman Returns was entirely POTC2's fault, and that if it didn't exist SR would have been a huge smash. Its first inital week of release was on the low side for a budget of that size. Maybe the drop wouldn't have been as radical had POTC2 come out, but that is no indicator that it would have done better. Theres a lot of factors that went into why it didn't do what it was expected.

 

[CGHulk]

Or better yet, get rid of Singer, and restart the franchise.

Here here!

 

[buggs0268]

I don't understand how the disappointment of Superman Returns was entirely POTC2's fault, and that if it didn't exist SR would have been a huge smash. Its first inital week of release was on the low side for a budget of that size. Maybe the drop wouldn't have been as radical had POTC2 come out, but that is no indicator that it would have done better. Theres a lot of factors that went into why it didn't do what it was expected.

It still would have done the drop like The Hulk dropped once WOM got out. All I know is that WOM on Batman Begins the next week was "Yeah I heard that is good. I got to go see it" and SR was "Yeah. I heard it was lame and boring."

 

[dark_b]

i dont expect any money. i heard that the dvd has nothign on the CGI.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

SR will not break any records in the hv market, but it will do really fine, expecially in the long term (like Batman Begins).

This is the kind of posts that we read the last year about the "BBVsFF" battle

http://www.comics2film.com/BB2/viewtopic.php?t=4640&sid=08fbf64ca1fdd9f29aee267c21a92298

At the end of its run, the FF movie did the 30% less than BB.
And I can see a lot of hypocrisy among the SR haters. They love the Donner's movies, but they hate SR (a movie that continues the Donner's vision) and they still hope for a restart from zero with CGI supervillains and the Smallville continuity....

The truth is that they think that the Donner's vision is dated and they would have hated even S:TM or Superman II. They expected a movie a la Spiderman and not a movie a la Donner.

But for years the fans have written "I love S.TM, it is still the best sh movie ever made"; "Ratner and Abrams are two idiots, I don't want a new Superman, Donner did it right" etc. etc....
The only mistake of the WB and Singer was to think that you were sincere...


Despite all the, Singer signed a deal to do the sequel (accept the reality dudes, they are going to make it), and the character has been finally reintroduced in a decent way. Thanks to Singer, the franchise is alive again.
If we have an Ultimate Collection and a SII: director's cut, we have only to thank Superman Returns.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think this movie deserves to make a lot of money on DVD, but things like this are so hard to predict, and it only came out here yesterday.

 

[AgentPat]

And I can see a lot of hypocrisy among the SR haters. They love the Donner's movies, but they hate SR (a movie that continues the Donner's vision)

The Donner films weren't trying to be anything but their own. They were fairly original and didn't copy a film that came before it, at least not in such a blatant way.

...and they still hope for a restart from zero with CGI supervillains and the Smallville continuity....

Depends on whom you ask.

The truth is that they think that the Donner's vision is dated and they would have hated even S:TM or Superman II. They expected a movie a la Spiderman and not a movie a la Donner.

Even WARNER BROS. expected a film ala Spider-Man.

But for years the fans have written "I love S.TM, it is still the best sh movie ever made"; "Ratner and Abrams are two idiots, I don't want a new Superman, Donner did it right" etc. etc....

"FANS" of Superman have been asking... no BEGGING... for another Superman film for years. The general public OTOH, have had a more casual "why do we need to redo a classic" attitude. THEY are the people WB and Singer had to win over, and you don't do that by remaking an old film poorer than the original.

The only mistake of the WB and Singer was to think that you were sincere...

Sincere about making money, yes. That we can always count on coming from Hollywood.

Despite all the, Singer signed a deal to do the sequel (accept the reality dudes, they are going to make it)

That's the plan right now, yes. I'm still waiting for a fourth Indiana Jones film. I keep hearing one is in the works.

the character has been finally reintroduced in a decent way.

Your opinion. My mileage varies.

Thanks to Singer, the franchise is alive again.

Singer landed the gig, but any director qualified to receive a $200 million dollar production budget would have gotten the credit for reviving the franchise. Some may have actually done a better job than Singer, who knows?

If we have an Ultimate Collection and a SII: director's cut, we have only to thank Superman Returns.

Oh please. Superman fans were pushing for the Donner cut for more than a decade. Warners seized the opportunity to make more dinero off previous projects that wouldn't cost nearly as much to re-master and re-release, and it would help push sales on their latest endeavor as well. One supports the other, but one isn't responsible for the other.

 

[Excel]

I don't understand how the disappointment of Superman Returns was entirely POTC2's fault, and that if it didn't exist SR would have been a huge smash. Its first inital week of release was on the low side for a budget of that size. Maybe the drop wouldn't have been as radical had POTC2 come out, but that is no indicator that it would have done better. Theres a lot of factors that went into why it didn't do what it was expected.

supermans opening week was the fifth biggest ever for a non sequel.....and we all know

-non sequels need legs to be big
-sequels get big opening but worse legs

hwo the box office works, hence why having such a large opening week for a non sequel is big, because if superman had gotten the expected legs it shoulda gotten-but ti couldnt due to pirates-it woulda topped 250 million.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

even if the dvd sales arent up to expects, the fact of the matter is

1. superman franchise has far too much potential, espec. with potter being caput in a few.

2. it is virtually assured to increase. WITHOUT pirates 2 (aka in ANY OTHER SUMMER!) superman would of done roughly 235/250, or 485 worldwide. The sequel wont be spiderman for sure, but it will top 500 million worldwide, not too mention the enormous amount of toy sales, rentals, and dvd sales. Pirates took away well over 100 million in worldwide box office sales, let alone how much they stole in toys, merchandise dollars and how much ti will steal in dvd sales and rentals. w. b. made the same stupid mistake of releasing sr on dvd just a weke before pirates 2 comes out.

*rolls eyes*

basically, sr was DISSAPPOINTING. But the sequel has NOWHERE to go but up, so there is no logical reason w.b. wouldntg give it one more try. if superman 2 fails, then yeah they might wait a bit. but itd make no sense-and they know it- to stop at just one.

theres no reaosn not to try and fix your mistakes and wb know it they arent stupid. when potters gone, they cannot survive on the batman franchise alone.

the fact, you cannt look at supermans box office run like any other.

first ff, the marketing clearly worked. Superman Returns 108 million dollar opening week was the 5th highest ever for a non sequel (which means a lot in todays box office). The film got great reviews.

ok. So we have :

1. great marketing as shown by opening week and sky rocketing expectations week of release.
2. great wom as shown by reviews and late word of mouth.

SO what went wrong?

MAYBE it was having the most hyped movie EVER open the week after it?

seriously, if you take that one mistake of release date away, superman would been a big hit, that is why you cannot look at supermans run as dissappointing. given the circumstances, it did very well. if you just say " a superman movie only getting 200 million" then yeahits dissappointing. but if you say the facts and say "the first superman movie in 20 years coming out in a time of over comic explosure and going up against the biggest hype machine ever got 200 million" doesnt sound nearly as bad and thats the truth.

or in other words-its very VERY unreasonable to have expected anything more out of supermans box office due to the circumstances. W.B. made an idiotic mistake of opening supermqan so close to pirates and they didnt realize it to early june, hence moving it wednesday. but they knew they couldnt open it again click cause

1. its take away business
2. pirates would just move up to july 4th

so they kinda ****ed themselves over and realized it way too late. It goes way back to FEB. 05 when all summer 06 was open and they put POEIDON on may 5th-where it would eventually move-and superman on july 30th.

if they switch it, and put poseidon on june 30th and superman on may 5th, mi3 would of taken memorial day, x3 would of taken july 4th.

AND poseidon would of bombed just as it, but superman-with the same marketing plan-would of done roughly 80/250.

supermans release date DESTROYED its box office potential from the get go. plain and simple.

I'm going to call bull***** on this. Superman Returns had 9 days (and a holiday weekend all to itself) to make some serious money. Superman is supposed to be a flagship character and it's no secret Warner Bros was looking for flagship money on opening weekend. What they got instead was 2nd/3rd-tier superhero $$$. You can't blame a 16 million dollar Friday on POTC2. A tentpole movie like Superman Returns is supposed to have at least a couple of 20+ million dollar days during it's first 5 days. SR had none. For a holiday weekend the numbers were atrocious and the writing was on the wall that Superman was DOA in terms of expectations.