Explain Marvel Strength Classes

[WolfCypher]

What are all the Classes? And how do you know what characters go in which classes?

 

[yahman]

What are all the Classes? And how do you know what characters go in which classes?

The new system seems to be slightly diferent to the traditional Class system, that assignied quanitifaible and exact weight lifting classes to their characters.

The old system had characters in a variety of divisons

Average 60 Kg - 200 KG
Above Average 200 KG - 500 KG
Peak Human 500 KG - 1 ton
Superhuman 1. 1 ton - 5 tons
Superhuman 2. 5 tons -25 tons
Super human 3. 25 tons -75 tons
Superhuman 4. 75 -100 tons
Superhuman 5. 100 tons above

This system was revdeveloped into a Level system.

Level 1. (Incoporating Levels 1 + 2)
Level 2. = Peak Human
Level 3. = Superhuman 1.
Level 4. = 5 -25tons
Level 5. = 25 -75 tons
Level 6 = 75 - 100 tons
Level 7 = < 100 tons.

As various of the characters regularly show weight lifting abilities beyond there allocated Levels, Marvel have seem to abandoned the numerical and quantifiable limits, in the most recent renditions of the Hand books.

In my oppinion, the allocated weight lifting abilities (In the most recent Handbooks) of characters up to Level 5, are the same as the Old system. I.e. any character given Level 4 strength raiting can lift up to 25 tons. (This includes the likes of Spiderman, Venom and Green Goblin).

These raitings are now based on my knowledge of comics and the characters now associated with these levels.

Level 5; now means 25 - 100 tons (Includes Vision, Rogue and Carnage)
Level 6 ; now means characters stronger than level 5, but have shown measurable limits to their strength. (These include the Thing, Colossus, Wonderman, Iron man)
Level 7 ; now means. Has yet to show limits to strength (Thor, Hulk, Juggernaught, Sentry and Thanos)

Im my oppinion most Level 6 characters can lift way over 1000 tons, but are unlikely to be able to lift a mega ton (one million tons). Most characters associated with Level 7 can lift over a million tons. I must emphasise that this is based solely on my interpretation, (although i've done a lot of research)

 

[Harlekin]

1000 tons and one million tons? Considering the fact that the Thing is a class 100 (using the old system here), and for a long time was a class 85, and he could somewhat hold his own against the Hulk would imply that the Hulk definitely isn't 10x stronger than him.

 

[WolfCypher]

Silly question, but one that's been bugging me for a while (the reason I made this thread): Could a Superhuman (level 3) character lift the Hulk of the ground since the Hulk weigths less than a ton?

 

[Dread]

Silly question, but one that's been bugging me for a while (the reason I made this thread): Could a Superhuman (level 3) character lift the Hulk of the ground since the Hulk weigths less than a ton?

Sure. The problem would be that Hulk's usually a rascal and may swat one when one was trying. Then there also is the issue with his momentum, which when charging may be like throwing a truck. But if he was standing still and for some reason not fully enraged, so long as someone could lift about 1,000 or so pounds (green hulk was usually the heaviest), they could throw him. I've seen Spider-Man toss him about several times in their battles.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Im my oppinion most Level 6 characters can lift way over 1000 tons, but are unlikely to be able to lift a mega ton (one million tons). Most characters associated with Level 7 can lift over a million tons. I must emphasise that this is based solely on my interpretation, (although i've done a lot of research)

thats such a big statement to make. how can u possibly back that up? marvel has never talked about thousands and millions, only DC and super-man has gone into that level surely. it was hinted at with the sentry, but the whole point of being an "omega" level is that ur power is limitless, so saying thousands and millions is making an uncomfortable quantification of that, IMO

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Sure. The problem would be that Hulk's usually a rascal and may swat one when one was trying. Then there also is the issue with his momentum, which when charging may be like throwing a truck. But if he was standing still and for some reason not fully enraged, so long as someone could lift about 1,000 or so pounds (green hulk was usually the heaviest), they could throw him. I've seen Spider-Man toss him about several times in their battles.

yeah i always thought that the only way spidey could possibly beat the hulk -- he's about a trillion times smarter and could manouvre him around, and then throw him into a building and blow it up or something (even then it probs wouldnt work, but u get the point!)

 

[Vanguard07]

That was one of the things that always bugged me about the heavy hitter fights. If two guys like Hulk and Thor hit each other, sure they may not be injured but they sure wouldnt be standing still afterwards.

The Hulk weighs at most a ton. When hit full force by a guy who can lift like a thousand tonnes Hulk should be sent flying. Same thing with when Hulk hits Thor.

Characters who cant fly but are super strong shouldnt be able to take hits with greater force than their weight and not be moved.

 

[Vanguard07]

thats such a big statement to make. how can u possibly back that up? marvel has never talked about thousands and millions, only DC and super-man has gone into that level surely. it was hinted at with the sentry, but the whole point of being an "omega" level is that ur power is limitless, so saying thousands and millions is making an uncomfortable quantification of that, IMO

Not in ratings they havent but in feats they sure have.
"under a hundred and fifty billion tons stands the hulk and he aint happy" ring any bells?

 

[MyPokerShirt]

um... no. the only thing i can think of is secet wars and the mountain, but he wasnt holding that all up was he?? i cant remember, but ok. also as to ur previous comment its also impossible for such a small mass to be able to hit that hard without the mass in the first place. all i can do to defend it is say that the muscle that can lift thousands of tonnes c an also absorb such blasts, taking the damage but stopping any knock back. good explanation? not really huh, but it works for me.

 

[MJOILNIR]

The Marvel RPG went like this
Poor-4
Average-6.........200lb's
Good-10...........400lb's
Excellent-20......800lb's
Remarkable-30...2000lb's.....Beast
Incredible-40.....10 Ton's.....Spidey
Amazing-50........50 Ton's....Rogue
Monstrous-75.....75 Ton's....Super scrull
Unearthly-100....100 Ton's...Thor,Hulk
Shift-X(150).......150-249 Ton's
Shift-Y(250).......250-499 Ton's
Shift-Z(500).......500-999 Ton's
CL1000......Galactus
CL3000......Celestial's
CL5000
Infinite
These are the levels and some examples from the RPG.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

The Marvel RPG went like this
Poor-4
Average-6.........200lb's
Good-10...........400lb's
Excellent-20......800lb's
Remarkable-30...2000lb's.....Beast
Incredible-40.....10 Ton's.....Spidey
Amazing-50........50 Ton's....Rogue
Monstrous-75.....75 Ton's....Super scrull
Unearthly-100....100 Ton's...Thor,Hulk
Shift-X(150).......150-249 Ton's
Shift-Y(250).......250-499 Ton's
Shift-Z(500).......500-999 Ton's
CL1000......Galactus
CL3000......Celestial's
CL5000
Infinite
These are the levels and some examples from the RPG.

Not having spider-man under amazing is a bit thick - they missed a trick, but for anybody that doesnt know, he's hada power boost now anyway. at least 15 tonnes. some specualtion it goes to 25.

 

[Venom.Symbiote]

That was one of the things that always bugged me about the heavy hitter fights. If two guys like Hulk and Thor hit each other, sure they may not be injured but they sure wouldnt be standing still afterwards.

The Hulk weighs at most a ton. When hit full force by a guy who can lift like a thousand tonnes Hulk should be sent flying. Same thing with when Hulk hits Thor.

Characters who cant fly but are super strong shouldnt be able to take hits with greater force than their weight and not be moved.

If they're braced and ready for the punch, they should be able to take it. Now if Juggernaut sucker punched Thor, Thor is taking a trip but if he was ready for it he's more than likely going to stand there and take it and give back just as much.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

^ yeah but thats u speculating as to whatd happen in real life. how do u explain how they never get knocked about, really? and how, with their strength classes a sucker punch would send someone to the moon...

 

[Silicon Surfer]

If they're braced and ready for the punch, they should be able to take it. .

Actually no, there is only a limited amount of traction that you can get regardless of your strength. If the punch is even slightly upward then even that doesn't matter. You go flying no matter what unless you can fly or like the Juggernaut resist the force by other means.

 

[yahman]

1000 tons and one million tons? Considering the fact that the Thing is a class 100 (using the old system here), and for a long time was a class 85, and he could somewhat hold his own against the Hulk would imply that the Hulk definitely isn't 10x stronger than him.

Yes.... because the Hulk can only lift 100 tons #Sarcasm#. I don't want to be rude but you have no idea what you are talking about. Like many you probably have no idea how relatively un-heavy 100 tons is. MANY marvels characters have lifted weights CONSIDERABLY heavier objects than their allocated weight lifting ability.

 

[torkibe]

Not in ratings they havent but in feats they sure have.
"under a hundred and fifty billion tons stands the hulk and he aint happy" ring any bells?

People always refer to that, and I always take exception. Now, I'm not saying that isn't an impressive feat, but he didn't lift 150,000,000,000 tons. He was bracing it. Bracing is a far cry from lifting. A normal human could brace thousands of pounds with proper leverage, but would never be able to come close to lifting it, so it stands to reason that someone who could lift 100+ tons would be exponentially stronger and therefore be able to brace exponentially more weight, yet not be able to lift it.

 

[Harlekin]

Yes.... because the Hulk can only lift 100 tons #Sarcasm#. I don't want to be rude but you have no idea what you are talking about. Like many you probably have no idea how relatively un-heavy 100 tons is. MANY marvels characters have lifted weights CONSIDERABLY heavier objects than their allocated weight lifting ability.

You're funny kid, I'll give you that. I never said that Hulk can only lift 100 tons. I said he was in class 100. Class 100 is 100 tons and above. However, his battles against only marginally weaker opponents show that Hulk is certainly not someone that lifts 1000 tons. Again, I point you to the Thing example (which you totally disregarded). The Hulk has never shown to be 10x as strong as the Thing. This is simple logic. We need to go with his stable feats, rather than his outlandish ones.

Also, 100 tons is unheavy? That's 90718.474 kilograms. The strongest men on Earth can do between 400 and 500 kilograms. That makes the Hulk about 180 times stronger than them. Imagine that, and then you call it unheavy.

 

[Vanguard07]

People always refer to that, and I always take exception. Now, I'm not saying that isn't an impressive feat, but he didn't lift 150,000,000,000 tons. He was bracing it. Bracing is a far cry from lifting. A normal human could brace thousands of pounds with proper leverage, but would never be able to come close to lifting it, so it stands to reason that someone who could lift 100+ tons would be exponentially stronger and therefore be able to brace exponentially more weight, yet not be able to lift it.

You're absolutely right about being able to brace way more than you can lift but look at it within reason.
A mountain. 150 billion tons (supposedly) is a hell of a lot more weight than 100 tones which people are claiming is (or is at least near) his limit.

Look at that proportionately. Lets say an average person with proper leverage can brace weight up to even 2000lbs (which is doubtful but whatever) compared to the ammount they can lift (lets say their own weight, being an average man that'd be what? 180lbs?) that'd be bracing roughly 11 times more than you can lift.

so what's 150 billion divided by 11?
I'll give you a hint it's a hell of a lot more than 100.

Anyway the way i've always figured strength is this.
Their strength rating just stops at 100 tons. Once you hit that mark they stop bothering trying to measure what you can lift. By no stretch of the imagination does that mean you can only lift 100 tons or thereabouts. It means it's too impractical to measure exactly how much so nobody's bothered.

If you were to ask Thor or Hulk what they can lift the most accurate answer would just be "what do you got?"

Also with other strength ratings I've always believed that they're only applicable under average conditions and the strength feats that are contradictory to rankings are due to extreme stress and adrenaline.
Lets just assume that the whole mother lifting a car to save a child adrenaline affect works with superheroes too.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Firstly,i wouldnt include the Sentry among the strongest in the Marvel Universe.

Secondly,especially with Marvel,there has to be a new system with classifications over 100.Like 200,300 and the truely incalcuable should be over 1,000.

 

[yahman]

You're funny kid, I'll give you that. I never said that Hulk can only lift 100 tons. I said he was in class 100. Class 100 is 100 tons and above. However, his battles against only marginally weaker opponents show that Hulk is certainly not someone that lifts 1000 tons. Again, I point you to the Thing example (which you totally disregarded). The Hulk has never shown to be 10x as strong as the Thing. This is simple logic. We need to go with his stable feats, rather than his outlandish ones.

Also, 100 tons is unheavy? That's 90718.474 kilograms. The strongest men on Earth can do between 400 and 500 kilograms. That makes the Hulk about 180 times stronger than them. Imagine that, and then you call it unheavy.

Your looking at this from the close minded perspective of a mathematicians. Try and see it from a writers perspective (Who regularly ignore the handbooks).

In reality, (Where rules and logic apply) a fighter who could lift 10 x the weight of another fighter, would logically destroy that other fighter.

This rule however, rarely applies to comics. Just because a character has lifted an object weighing 10 x maybe a 1000 times the weightlifting ability of another character, it does not necessarily mean that the fight will be as one sided as it would be in a logical universe.

Take for example Thor and Wonderman. Most would agree that Thor is slightly stronger, but they are comparable in strength. According to your assertion, their lifting ability must be similar, but this contary to the truth. Wondermans struggled to stop a printing press with the strength of 50,000 tons. Thor on the other hand lifted the Midgard Serpent (An object the size of a small planetoid). Ratio in weight difference between the two objects, must be in order of million fold. Yet the two appear evenly matched whenever they fight each other.

There are countless other examples of this ....

 

[yahman]

Anyway the way i've always figured strength is this.
Their strength rating just stops at 100 tons. Once you hit that mark they stop bothering trying to measure what you can lift. By no stretch of the imagination does that mean you can only lift 100 tons or thereabouts. It means it's too impractical to measure exactly how much so nobody's bothered.

If you were to ask Thor or Hulk what they can lift the most accurate answer would just be "what do you got?"

Also with other strength ratings I've always believed that they're only applicable under average conditions and the strength feats that are contradictory to rankings are due to extreme stress and adrenaline.
Lets just assume that the whole mother lifting a car to save a child adrenaline affect works with superheroes too.

Thats what i used to believe, but the likes of Namor, Wonderman and Iron man (All listed below 100 tons, in the most recent Handbooks), have shown consistently that they can lift Kilo tons.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Firstly,i wouldnt include the Sentry among the strongest in the Marvel Universe.

Secondly,especially with Marvel,there has to be a new system with classifications over 100.Like 200,300 and the truely incalcuable should be over 1,000.

then you're crazy. sentry was introduced as a superman character. he was supposed to be the greatest hero of his generation and the most powerful. people are looking forward to an assumed thor vs sentry in the civil war. so yes he is one of the strongest. just read ANY of his comics.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

^further more, if the incalculable is simply going to be classified as ">1000" in your proposed new system then this is simply slightly less vague than the current system where anything >100 is incalculable.

 

[torkibe]

You're absolutely right about being able to brace way more than you can lift but look at it within reason.
A mountain. 150 billion tons (supposedly) is a hell of a lot more weight than 100 tones which people are claiming is (or is at least near) his limit.

Look at that proportionately. Lets say an average person with proper leverage can brace weight up to even 2000lbs (which is doubtful but whatever) compared to the ammount they can lift (lets say their own weight, being an average man that'd be what? 180lbs?) that'd be bracing roughly 11 times more than you can lift.

so what's 150 billion divided by 11?
I'll give you a hint it's a hell of a lot more than 100.

You're thinking in terms of multiplication and not exponents. I'm no math major, so I couldn't give you the formula, but it's not as you described. In any event, I'd be willing to bet a full grown man could brace far more than 2000 pounds. I don't mean stand there with 2000 pounds up in the air, and I don't mean for an extended period of time, but it could be done.