Explosions and gunfire in Paris

[Midnyte_Sun]

Reports saying attack may have been ISIS inspired, but not committed by ISIS, so it's entirely possible the attackers were local nut jobs with no affiliation with the organisation. This is the problem that nations are now going to find themselves in, how do you counter an inspiration? It's one thing to bomb a ground force, but there's only so much you can do to prevent lone wolf attacks within your own borders.

One was found with a Syrian passport and ISIS has already taken responsibility and even explained how they did it. Everything is pointing towards them. Doesn't surprise me though that a few disgruntled French and European citizens will be found to have supported them. France has been on on a xenophobic rampage the past 15 years, alienating and oppressing the religious freedom of it's already alienated Muslim population.

To counter this, it has to work harder in integrating peacefully it's Muslim slums, stop blaming Muslims for the French economy, and apologize for it's colonial terrorism it has committed on the North Africans that make up most of their Muslim population.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So anyone want to estimate what percentage of the Syrian refugees were suicidal terrorist?

Because if 99% of them are decent people then it's not really logical to blame them all for this tragedy and attack those who let them in.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, time out. I want to help Syrian refugees, but Germany's policies are not just incredibly idiotic, they're also dangerous and irresponsible for everyone involved.

Merkel has suspended the Dublin convention without consulting anyone, and has opened Europe's borders to anyone who can pass for Syrian. Stolen and fake Syrian passports are now top sellers on the black market. 8,000 people entering the EU without documentation every day.

You have an influx of 1.5 million people this year alone. German authorities have admitted that they can't even account for thousands of people. They just don't have the resources to process so many people. You can't expect domestic or military intelligence to be able to handle that.

Germany has destroyed Europe's security.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

how did those gunman manage to obtain Ak-47? I assume it was smuggle in through Germany from Eastern Europe

 

[jmc]

French intelligence dropped the ball in a massive way. I can understand something slipping through the cracks, but this number of perpetrators and distinct locations? The responsibility lies with them up to a certain point, at least one or two of these should have been preventable.

Can intelligence detect when a group of people meet face to face? I ask because there's little that can be done if people aren't using digital means of communication.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

how did those gunman manage to obtain Ak-47? I assume it was smuggle in through Germany from Eastern Europe

Eastern Europe for sure and they have already made arrests in Belgium.

 

[Slushy]

Facebook version.

 

[Drz]

http://libertyupward.com/confirmed-the-united-states-created-isis/

 

[Schlosser85]

That's not breaking news or some kind of secret.

 

[Drz]

It's a very good reminder for people who don't generally follow these news and are here posting their frusfraton about ISIS.

The only way events like this can be stopped, is to make sure history does not repeat itself.

 

[JJLong]

Facebook version.

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[Teelie]

It's also a good way to stir up resentment and completely unnecessary.

 

[JKKS085]

France has been on on a xenophobic rampage the past 15 years, alienating and oppressing the religious freedom of it's already alienated Muslim population.

To counter this, it has to work harder in integrating peacefully it's Muslim slums, stop blaming Muslims for the French economy, and apologize for it's colonial terrorism it has committed on the North Africans that make up most of their Muslim population.

I was born in France, in a Muslim family and this is the most outrageous piece of garbage I've read all day. In the wake of this terrible and sensless tragedy you should really feel ashamed of yourself and maybe try to educate yourself, read maybe just a little, travel a bit before posting this kind of bull****.

So much ignorance just makes me want to throw up. Insinuating that there is some sort of excuse to the death of so many innocent people ... Yeah that's just terrible.

 

[Greenians]

Sadam and Gadafi kept these nut jobs in their place. Its all bush and blairs fault. 2 feking idiots.

 

[Legendver2]

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-passport-paris-attack-scene-belonged-asylum-seeker-164311704.html

I don't know what to think of this. But the first thought that came into my mind was, isn't that just a little bit convenient? So the shooters were going around with their passports so they can be identified upon death? I don't know, seems a bit weird to me.

 

[terry78]

Attempting to gain infamy maybe.

 

[Octoberist]

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-passport-paris-attack-scene-belonged-asylum-seeker-164311704.html

I don't know what to think of this. But the first thought that came into my mind was, isn't that just a little bit convenient? So the shooters were going around with their passports so they can be identified upon death? I don't know, seems a bit weird to me.

I think it was done on purpose by the shooter so we can blame the refugees collectively. Otherwise, there's no reason for the shooter to have ID on him like that unless it was for malicious intent.

 

[Schlosser85]

ISIS would love nothing better than to see French xenophobes go on a warpath against the Syrian refugees and drive many more alienated and disaffected new recruits into the fold.

They try to stir this **** up on purpose, to manifest their propagandistic narrative and recruiting tool of a war between Islam and "The West".

 

[Octoberist]

Hope is alive:

Even after a senseless massacre that left over 150 civilians dead, Parisians are choosing compassion over blind hatred, and are willing to go toe-to-toe with racists spouting anti-Islamic rhetoric.

http://usuncut.com/world/french-crowd-forces-racists-to-retreat/

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It wasn't ambiguous, it was exaggerated and ultimately I was wrong. That said, I believe about half of the people lost their lives? Not a very encouraging ratio.

When I said ambiguous I meant I could not tell what you meant by "everyone".

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sadam and Gadafi kept these nut jobs in their place. Its all bush and blairs fault. 2 feking idiots.

Preach!

 

[Thundercrack85]

Granted, I think Bush is a terrible president, and in no small part responsible for the creation of ISIS, but people seem to forget that Saddam was also a dangerous, genocidal tyrant whose Iraq was crumbling.

Saddam was too erratic to keep control over Iraq. This Sunni-Shia war was going to happen sooner than later.

As for Gaddafi, what exactly were we supposed to do? Let him kill everyone? His people rebelled against him. We had two choices. Let him kill hundreds of thousands like Assad is doing now - or even more, since most of the country rebelled against him - , or drone his ass.

 

[Victarion]

We should've left them alone. They wanted to fight one another - we should've let them. And intervened if they started to spill out of their borders.

 

[the gael]

One was found with a Syrian passport and ISIS has already taken responsibility and even explained how they did it. Everything is pointing towards them. Doesn't surprise me though that a few disgruntled French and European citizens will be found to have supported them. France has been on on a xenophobic rampage the past 15 years, alienating and oppressing the religious freedom of it's already alienated Muslim population.

To counter this, it has to work harder in integrating peacefully it's Muslim slums, stop blaming Muslims for the French economy, and apologize for it's colonial terrorism it has committed on the North Africans that make up most of their Muslim population.

As a french citizen, I'm really furious to see crap like this written. I don't know where you live, but the only one Who spread **** like this are dieudonne and Alain soral ... Two antisemitic and homophobic hate propaganders.

I live in a place where muslims and non muslims live together. Of course there are problems, of course there is the economic problem, which touch more the muslim and black community ( because they came from a poorest background ) but nobody is oppressed here.

Oh, and don't tell muslims that they have to be integrated more, they are already fully integrated french.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Granted, I think Bush is a terrible president, and in no small part responsible for the creation of ISIS, but people seem to forget that Saddam was also a dangerous, genocidal tyrant whose Iraq was crumbling.

Saddam was too erratic to keep control over Iraq. This Sunni-Shia war was going to happen sooner than later.

As for Gaddafi, what exactly were we supposed to do? Let him kill everyone? His people rebelled against him. We had two choices. Let him kill hundreds of thousands like Assad is doing now - or even more, since most of the country rebelled against him - , or drone his ass.

Saddam is exactly what the region needed. What was a tightly controlled ant hill we turned into an infestation of killer bees.

And the "Gaddafi was going to massacre his own people" footnote is fisher than "Saddam's WMD's".

Gaddafi didn't have the record of human rights violations of any host of autocracies currently in power but his socialist, pan-African, utopian ideals made him a sand in the neo conservative vagina.