Explosions and gunfire in Paris

[DeadPresident]

Reports saying attack may have been ISIS inspired, but not committed by ISIS, so it's entirely possible the attackers were local nut jobs with no affiliation with the organisation. This is the problem that nations are now going to find themselves in, how do you counter an inspiration? It's one thing to bomb a ground force, but there's only so much you can do to prevent lone wolf attacks within your own borders.

We know the answer to that question already. But unabated tolerance won't allow anyone to even entertain it.

 

[Kaleb]

Have we heard from Monsieur Xavier yet?

 

[terry78]

I sent him a PM last night, no response.

 

[harryoscop]

This is so terrible and ****ed up. Thoughts & support go out to the people who were affected by this horrific tragedy. Why is our World so ****ed up?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

My response to ISIS and anyone inspired by them...

 

[terry78]

apparently some british comedian just got his Facebook account banned for calling the attackers extremists and going on a expletive filled rant about them.

 

[chamber-music]

ISIS' time is up now. Causing that kind of damage in a major city is pretty much asking for it at that point.

If ISIS weren't holding civilians the coalition would of carpet bombed them out of existence by now.

This is becoming disturbingly routine. It is time to eradicate ISIS and its sympathizers.

The British government killed a couple British ISIS members with drones earlier this year and a bunch of people had whined about it.

Some folks want to negotiate with ISIS which I don't think is possible. ISIS is so extreme and their views are so divorced from the civilised word that I don't think you could talk these guys into a peace agreement.

Disenfranchised middle class people from all walks of life. They're not just recruiting third world types.

Yep

There terrorists aren't all poor people from the margins of society. Many of them are from well educated and affluent backgrounds. Bin Laden, the underwear bomber, some of the 9/11 bombers and so have all been from affluent backgrounds.

One of the guys stopped from going to join ISIS in Iraq this year was a chemistry teacher.

 

[chamber-music]

apparently some british comedian just got his Facebook account banned for calling the attackers extremists and going on a expletive filled rant about them.

Jason Manford. After having to resign from hosting the BBC's the One show when he got caught sending sexually explicit message to female fans on twitter you would think he would take a break from the internet.

 

[ThePhantasm]

 

[roach]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/14/world/paris-attacks/index.html

ISIS took responsibility for the attacks

 

[TheCommissioner]

one of the concert hall attackers was French

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-gunman-france-idUSKCN0T30Z020151114

 

[TeeKay]

Jesus Christ....

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, I would say there was a good chance the attackers were French.

 

[TheCommissioner]

I was listening to MSNBC this morning and one of the talking heads talked about homegrown terrorism and how that can be easy to miss if you are too focused on external threats

 

[Schlosser85]

We know the answer to that question already. But unabated tolerance won't allow anyone to even entertain it.

Are you suggesting deporting the Syrian refugees?

Because at least some of the gunmen were native-born French nationals. They didn't smuggle themselves in with the refugees.

 

[DeadPresident]

Are you suggesting deporting the Syrian refugees?

Because at least some of the gunmen were native-born French nationals. They didn't smuggle themselves in with the refugees.

I'm not suggesting it, and theoretically I wouldn't argue that deporting them would solve the problem entirely. The logic I'm using is if these incidents are to be decreased or stopped there might be some difficult and unsavoury decisions some politicians may need to make. I'm not suggesting anything, I'm speculating. But my belief is that Europe can't appease their colonial guilt ad infinitum and protect all their citizens simultaneously.

At the moment it seems like (in France) appeasing immigrants is worth the price tag of almost 200 French innocent lives across several incidents. The citizens are going to have to ask themselves if cosmopolitan cultural tolerance is worth the risk of these incidents. I don't know what the answer is.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Weird how Al-Qaeda has effectively been replaced by Isis. All those bombs we dropped and it was basically removed by a more extreme group. Changed one extremist inspiration for another.

 

[Drz]

My response to ISIS and anyone inspired by them...

What's your response to those who support ISIS and helped cause the birth of ISIS?

 

[Victarion]

Same **** different name.

 

[TheCommissioner]

no one "created" ISIS, that part of the world has been ruled by warlords in one form or another for centuries..ISIS is just a current incarnation of that

 

[Fallen Angel]

I'm not suggesting it, and theoretically I wouldn't argue that deporting them would solve the problem entirely. The logic I'm using is if these incidents are to be decreased or stopped there might be some difficult and unsavoury decisions some politicians may need to make. I'm not suggesting anything, I'm speculating. But my belief is that Europe can't appease their colonial guilt ad infinitum and protect all their citizens simultaneously.

At the moment it seems like (in France) appeasing immigrants is worth the price tag of almost 200 French innocent lives across several incidents. The citizens are going to have to ask themselves if cosmopolitan cultural tolerance is worth the risk of these incidents. I don't know what the answer is.

These refuges are fleeing Syria and places like this because these kind of attacks are happening every day in their country. No one likes to mention this.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Let's just round 'em all up...that'll fix it

o wait

 

[Victarion]

They might be willing to fight for their new EU homeland. No one mentions that, either.

 

[DeadPresident]

These refuges are fleeing Syria and places like this because these kind of attacks are happening every day in their country. No one likes to mention this.

I accept and understand that, what I'm saying is if refugees are accepted then whoever accepts them must make peace with the fact that a certain number of violent individuals are going to slip through the cracks. Europe wants to have its cake and eat it, but it might be time to consider the price of generosity.

For some people 127-140+ lives is an acceptable price, for others it won't be. But people will need to start thinking about it.

 

[TheCommissioner]

I accept and understand that, what I'm saying is if refugees are accepted then whoever accepts them must make peace with the fact that a certain number of violent individuals are going to slip through the cracks. Europe wants to have its cake and eat it, but it might be time to consider the price of generosity.

For some people 127-140+ lives is an acceptable price, for others it won't be. But people will need to start thinking about it.

you seem to be operating under the assumption that this attack was a result of refugees...a lot of people want to make that connection


one of the gunmen has already been identified as a French citizen..how much you want to bet at least half of them were French citizens?

because I really think that's the case here