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I expect an announcment from Fox any day now. In any case....and in honor Of Johnathan Spencer Storm, the Human Torch.

...... an edited repost of my tribute in the comic book forum.....



Well, it is the end of an era. So I should say something on these boards that I peruse and enjoy so much. Today I think I will add my two cents on the death of the Human Torch. Heroes are a rare thing in this world. The guy lauded by the president at a recent memorial as a hero put his life on the line to save the life of a shooting victim instead of running to safety. He was not the only one to run to help but he lived, others died. That is what heroes do despite the possible mortal outcomes. Everyday men and women in the armed services, policemen, firemen, and others risk life and limb to save others, they too are heroes. They are the bravest, selfless souls who bring cheer and inspiration to so many of us.

And so we come to the idea of Super Heroes, as spider man often recalls, with great power must come great responsibility. I loved the idea of super heroes from the time I was a child. I loved the Fantastic Four, loved their bright blue costumes, their family dynamic, the squabbles and the heart warming banter found in every family. Reed and Sue were the adults and if truth be told Johnny and Ben were the children even before there was Franklyn and Valeria. At times they were reckless, immature, thoughtless and annoying and yet we all loved them so. This was a true family, the first family of comics.

As I grew older Reed Richards became more of a favorite with me, but when I was a kid the human torch was my hero. His powers were bright and flashy and visually stunning. I still thrill to the awesome visuals of the torch provided by Jack "King" Kirby, big John Buscema, Rich Buckler, George Perez and even John Byrne whose style grew on me and who can forget Joltin Joe Sinnot the inker supreme. These guys brought me much joy in their portrayal of my childhood hero. I also am humbled by the care these writers brought to these characters, Stan the man Lee and Roy Thomas, Len Wein, Byrne, Claremont, and now I must add Johnathan Hickman to the list of greats.

I think Mr Hickman did not show the final stand because obviously it leaves us with some hope and that is a stunning achievment for a writer of fiction. Some writers are hacks, because they have not taken the time to see the potential of what they have but I now see a glimmer of what Mr Hickman is trying to do. Many complained about the pace of his book but I begin to see a possible masterpiece. He knows the death is but a tease, that the hope of this story is yet to be told, that people want to be inspired, to hope to dream. For many kids that is what comic books were, a vehicle to take us away to magical places, hopeful lives, and heroic people.


It seemed fitting that Johnny would stare at a billion to one odds and shout his defiance into the black abyss before him. I hope for the day when Mr Hickman will show us the true extent of his battle with the bugs. The last page was black, but the Human Torch was always about fire and light, Johnny was never the hero that spider man was, or Iron Man or Thor my current favorite hero but his potential is undeniable.

He is the man child with the fearless heart who always ran off before thinking to the oft consternation of Reed or Sue, the guy with the power of the sun who could fry the flesh off of wolverine without breaking a sweat if he really wanted to. The guy that possibly could take out a billion enemies on one continent. As a child these were the questions I had, why don't they show his true power, the power of the sun, the flame, the fire. Well given what I suspect Mr Hickman is about to do, maybe we will get to see Johnny Storm in all his blazing glory. I hope you survived Johnny, and I thank you Mr Hickman because I suspect that by the time you are done with this story, the Fantastic Four will have changed, and the Human Torch will finally take his place among the greats.

So thank you Mr Hickman for making us and others who may not have grown up with this character care about what happens next.

We are waiting Johnny Storm, find your way back home to your family.
 
When would Fox have to get a F4 movie released before they could get the rights back? The Fantastic Four really do belong at Marvel; it just doesn't feel like the Marvel universe unless the Fantastic Four and the Avengers are casually acquainted with eachother.

I remember hearing a casting rumor regarding the actors they were talking to about making a reboot. Does anybody know if they've hired writers?

This is purely based on general rumors, and I don't have any solid information, but it's generally believed that Fox needs to release something by 2012 and they have previously said they were working toward a summer 2012 release.

As some have pointed out, they slapped the first movie together pretty quickly, but I think it would be a foolish waste to repeat that mistake. They could . . . possibly start filming in summer and have a film ready by next year, but they'd have to have a firm plan in place now (script, pre-production etc.) and we haven't heard anything like that.

I strongly suspect that the casting rumors we heard last year were floated by Fox to make people think they were serious and push up the price to sell back. I found it interesting at the time of the rumors that at least one of the rumored actors knew nothing about it.
 
I expect an announcment from Fox any day now. In any case....and in honor Of Johnathan Spencer Storm, the Human Torch.

...... an edited repost of my tribute in the comic book forum.....



Well, it is the end of an era. So I should say something on these boards that I peruse and enjoy so much. Today I think I will add my two cents on the death of the Human Torch. Heroes are a rare thing in this world. The guy lauded by the president at a recent memorial as a hero put his life on the line to save the life of a shooting victim instead of running to safety. He was not the only one to run to help but he lived, others died. That is what heroes do despite the possible mortal outcomes. Everyday men and women in the armed services, policemen, firemen, and others risk life and limb to save others, they too are heroes. They are the bravest, selfless souls who bring cheer and inspiration to so many of us.

And so we come to the idea of Super Heroes, as spider man often recalls, with great power must come great responsibility. I loved the idea of super heroes from the time I was a child. I loved the Fantastic Four, loved their bright blue costumes, their family dynamic, the squabbles and the heart warming banter found in every family. Reed and Sue were the adults and if truth be told Johnny and Ben were the children even before there was Franklyn and Valeria. At times they were reckless, immature, thoughtless and annoying and yet we all loved them so. This was a true family, the first family of comics.

As I grew older Reed Richards became more of a favorite with me, but when I was a kid the human torch was my hero. His powers were bright and flashy and visually stunning. I still thrill to the awesome visuals of the torch provided by Jack "King" Kirby, big John Buscema, Rich Buckler, George Perez and even John Byrne whose style grew on me and who can forget Joltin Joe Sinnot the inker supreme. These guys brought me much joy in their portrayal of my childhood hero. I also am humbled by the care these writers brought to these characters, Stan the man Lee and Roy Thomas, Len Wein, Byrne, Claremont, and now I must add Johnathan Hickman to the list of greats.

I think Mr Hickman did not show the final stand because obviously it leaves us with some hope and that is a stunning achievment for a writer of fiction. Some writers are hacks, because they have not taken the time to see the potential of what they have but I now see a glimmer of what Mr Hickman is trying to do. Many complained about the pace of his book but I begin to see a possible masterpiece. He knows the death is but a tease, that the hope of this story is yet to be told, that people want to be inspired, to hope to dream. For many kids that is what comic books were, a vehicle to take us away to magical places, hopeful lives, and heroic people.


It seemed fitting that Johnny would stare at a billion to one odds and shout his defiance into the black abyss before him. I hope for the day when Mr Hickman will show us the true extent of his battle with the bugs. The last page was black, but the Human Torch was always about fire and light, Johnny was never the hero that spider man was, or Iron Man or Thor my current favorite hero but his potential is undeniable.

He is the man child with the fearless heart who always ran off before thinking to the oft consternation of Reed or Sue, the guy with the power of the sun who could fry the flesh off of wolverine without breaking a sweat if he really wanted to. The guy that possibly could take out a billion enemies on one continent. As a child these were the questions I had, why don't they show his true power, the power of the sun, the flame, the fire. Well given what I suspect Mr Hickman is about to do, maybe we will get to see Johnny Storm in all his blazing glory. I hope you survived Johnny, and I thank you Mr Hickman because I suspect that by the time you are done with this story, the Fantastic Four will have changed, and the Human Torch will finally take his place among the greats.

So thank you Mr Hickman for making us and others who may not have grown up with this character care about what happens next.

We are waiting Johnny Storm, find your way back home to your family.

Nice!:up:

I don't really keep up with things, so I didn't know anything about this storyline or Hickman, but you've got me interested enough to check it out.
 
I could see Fox crapping something out just to tie up the rights - just like the Corman one in the '90's. Again, I hope it does not happen, but this is Fox we are talking about.

Both FF's were cranked out in less than a year from starting shooting to release, so they have plenty of time. I could see them starting prep in the summer, shooting in the fall, and in theaters in July or August. Again, they've done it before...
 
Which reminds me, RIP Bernd Eichinger
The German producer and screenwriter died in L.A. on Monday at 61. Eichinger headed up Constantin Film and produced, among other titles, the Resident Evil franchise, Fantastic Four, Downfall, The Baader Meinhof Complex and Perfume: The Story of a Murderer, which he also wrote. He was 61. His wife Katja is a journalist, and his daughter Nina is a German TV personality.
 
I could see Fox crapping something out just to tie up the rights - just like the Corman one in the '90's. Again, I hope it does not happen, but this is Fox we are talking about.

Both FF's were cranked out in less than a year from starting shooting to release, so they have plenty of time. I could see them starting prep in the summer, shooting in the fall, and in theaters in July or August. Again, they've done it before...

I think we're all afraid of that, and the Corman experience gives us something concrete to point to, but I don't realisitically think that's going to happen.

For one thing, there has been mention of a "quality clause" put into Fox's contract to specifically prevent that (that clause, in itself could prevent the kind of rush job that would have to happen now to get a film out by 2012).

Also, if you look at the numbers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Four_(film_series) you can clearly see that FF2 cost Fox more money and made less for them than FF1. We can all recognize that the reason for that is that Fox was killing the franchise. People who flocked to the theater for the first film because they love these characters were much less enthusiastic after seeing the poor quality of the first film. Fox is sucking the value out of these characters.

Investment in a real film could reverse that trend, and I think Marvel would do that. But I doubt Fox can see beyond their own nose and, in their mind, this is a worthless franchise that isn't worth hanging onto.

We have suspected as much ever since the release of the second film, but Fox has paid lip-service to their interest in making a new film. But that's exactly what we would expect from them. They could potentially get some money from Marvel (keep in mind that the biggest announcement regarding Fox's interest came just after the Fox/Disney merger and Fox likely thought they could get something out of Disney's deep pockets).

If they had not at least pretended to be interested in the franchise, Marvel would have just sat back, relaxed and waited for the rights to come to them . . . and it looks like that might be happening.

Looking at everything we know (or think we know), I suspect this was a game of 'chicken' and Fox's deafening silence on the matter now leads me to believe Marvel will soon win that game of Chicken.
 
This Fantastic Four stuff really is just a big pissing match with Disney & FOX. I believe no one wants to show their hand first. It's obvious that FOX can't produce a good FF (or Daredevil) film by the time the rights finish, but will do it just to spite Disney.

Marvel/Disney needs FF. Let's be honest as much as we may like to see a Black Panther, Runaways, Ant Man or Dr. Strange film they aren't potential box office draws like Iron Man and the Avengers related films.

Getting FF from FOX gives Marvel a viable franchise that can be spinned off it's successful toys, video games and merchandise.

We know Marvel wants to buy, but does FOX want to sell or is it more about ego? I think it's ego imagine if Marvel got FF and DD and fast tracked those films and they become hits? I think that's FOX fear.
 
Marvel/Disney needs FF. Let's be honest as much as we may like to see a Black Panther, Runaways, Ant Man or Dr. Strange film they aren't potential box office draws like Iron Man and the Avengers related films.

Getting FF from FOX gives Marvel a viable franchise that can be spinned off it's successful toys, video games and merchandise.

I agree. I think Marvel recognizes that there are 5 BIG franchises in the Marvel Universe:

1. Spider-man
2. Fantastic Four
3. Hulk
4. Avengers
5. X-Men

Other characters are fun and there are good films that can be made, but that set of 5 have the sort of large fan-base and history that make them special stand-outs and highly valuable properties for those who know what to do with them.

Since Spider-man and X-men are relatively solidly locked-up and since Marvel already has Hulk and Avengers, Fantastic Four is likely the one property that Marvel is most interested in . . . but they have to play it cool. They're not going to just throw money at Fox . . . particularly when there's a good chance the rights could come back to them without them paying a dime.

Marvel knows exactly what's in the contract and they probably know (better than we do) what Fox's real intentions are.

I feel reasonably confident that Marvel will get the rights back, but we'll have to see exactly how that shakes out.
 
Willie, while I agree with most of you big 5 franchise list, I would say they two Iron Man movies have bumped the Hulk off that list.

Also, even given a "quality clause" Fox is in about the same position now as they were back when they did the first FF movie, i.e. - plenty of time to whip out a script and gear up a production to start shooting in the fall and be in theaters next summer. I hope that it does not happen, but I am not assuming it will not for at least another 6 months.
 
Willie, while I agree with most of you big 5 franchise list, I would say they two Iron Man movies have bumped the Hulk off that list.

That's an interesting point. I wasn't really factoring in the films, but rather thinking about the general interest in the characters pre-film. But there may not be any way to extracate them. I hope that's not completely true, because that would mean that the damage done to the FF is irrevocable and I'd like to believe it's possible to undo the harm.

But the bottom line is, you're right. We don't live in a comic book world and the films that have come before do affect the value of the franchise to some degree. Related to that, the value of the Hulk franchise wasn't just based on Hulk comic books, but the TV show also introduced the character to a broad audience who never picked up a comic book.
 
I think the t.v. exposure was a key factor in most of the Marvel movies of the past decade. Certainly the interest in the Hulk movies [including the one not made] was fueled more by the t.v. show than the comics [a show I, for one, wish they would put far out of their minds for future Hulk movies]. Likewise the X-Men movies were a result of the popularity of the cartoon, as was Spider-Man [in some part] and Iron Man. Blade may be the only one that was taking a real risk at the time on an unproven property.

I don't think the FF is a lost cause. The crappy Hulk t.v. show and ho-hum Ang Lee version did not hurt TIH that I can see. A good and profitable FF movie is possible, but it will most likely take Marvel to make it. Here's hoping that happens sooner than later.
 
They should just have Blue Sky do it as a highly stylized CG animated film. It could actually be quite entertaining, and they wouldn't have to hold back when it comes to the silliness of seeing Reed Richards stretch or The Thing being covered in rock. They've already done two live action F4 films and if they're going to do another one, they should either do a sequel to the last one or they should just take the whole thing in a totally different direction, to the point of changing mediums. If you're not going to be using any of the same actors anyway, why not take a chance and experiment with something totally different?
 
Yeah Marvel desperately needs to get F4 away from Fox....besides the great heroes they are...F4 also spawned Marvel's and comicdom's definitive villain...Dr. Doom...who could be in so many movies as the ultimate threat...
 
Yeah Marvel desperately needs to get F4 away from Fox....besides the great heroes they are...F4 also spawned Marvel's and comicdom's definitive villain...Dr. Doom...who could be in so many movies as the ultimate threat...

Absolutely. Imagine a live action Fantastic Four/Avengers teamup against Dr. Doom......epic.
 
once the FF are back home at Marvel, I suspect an FF/Avengers/Galactus movie would be high on the list...
 
A Hulk/Thing fight would be a must.
 
So does Fox need to release or start a FF related movie by 2012 to keep the rights.

what about Daredevil?
 
i dont see them keeping the rights at all...they only care abour the Xmen..they will let both this franchise and daredevil go
 
Fingers crossed that Fox finally does the right thing, but I doubt it.
 
I only have a passing knowledge of the FF from the cartoons and the movies but I don't get how a good movie can be made from them, the concept itself doesn't have that coolness factor of Spider-Man or the gritty prejudicial angst of the X-Men.

Daredevil on the other hand was a good movie I don't see why the fans were pissing over it.
 
I only have a passing knowledge of the FF from the cartoons and the movies but I don't get how a good movie can be made from them, the concept itself doesn't have that coolness factor of Spider-Man or the gritty prejudicial angst of the X-Men.

Daredevil on the other hand was a good movie I don't see why the fans were pissing over it.

Dude they are fanboys! They always ***** and moan about something! And I agree, the DD movie is nowhere near as bad as fanboys make it out to be but looking at the F4 franchise now...........man did Fox f it up!
 
Mace Dolex - get essential FF volume 2 - 4 and you will see why the FF was the world's greatest comic magazine and how a FANTASTIC movie can be made from them.
When done right they are way better than Spidey and X-Men!
 
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