Female circumcision a problem in the UK

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Now imagine someone from another culture came and attacked your mother for such a practice and said she was unfit to raise you and they all agreed she should have sucked your knob instead.

Does that make the west now bad for adopting this sedative method of calming instead of perhaps a natural dopamine based sedative from genital stimulating?

For every finger you point out at peeps, there's about four tiems as much stuff they can point at your practices and condemn.

that's why i stay outta it but alas, that's not the right thing to do...

everyone should apparently look out for everybody and this whole big brother paranoia state of affairs is the only way to go.

I don't think anyone can defend female circumsion at least not to me... OR murder, theft, etc... There are some things that are clearly defined as wrong or right.

 

[November Rain]

I'm reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra at the moment and I really love what he has to say about good and evil... "Truely, I say to you: Unchanging good and evil does not exist! From out of themselves they must overcome themeslves again and again." Nietzsche at least from what I gatther from his writing argues that we must become virtue instead of simply saying where virtue or following some crusty old manuscript on how to live our lives...

Ultimately i feel like scream but different.

If there was a person in distress in my line of sight, i would try to help as long as it didn't bring myself or anyone else into danger. The level of risk i would permit myself to take would depend on the danger itself as well as the person's duress

however if someone is willing to undergo something, or permit their young child to undergo something because they believe it is the best for them or are practicing something outside of my field of involvement, then I can't see why i should cry a river for their sorrows. If that be the case, i'd be constantly crying for there are so many autrocities in this world, alienating one for another is...i feel....bias and i'd rather be called insensitive than bias.

This makes me sleep at night regardless on whether i or other people feel i am good/bad/etc.

 

[November Rain]

I don't think anyone can defend female circumsion at least not to me... OR murder, theft, etc... There are some things that are clearly defined as wrong or right.

But then it is not the practice that is the cause, more the social and cultural reasoning behind it.

Always go to the root of the problem i say, and the problem isn't the mutilation in my eyes, rather the views of woman and how people feel they are more likely to be tempted living oerhaps in a westernised society where 'sins' are more accessible because there is less of their own big brother surveillance around.

the mutilation is only a effect.

SO i say, why not allow the practice of the circumcision under perhaps higher quality doctors and medicine.

At least this would provide the best chance to save as much sexual sensation as possible.

Short term answer but it would then allow with time for future generations to integrate more within britain to see that there is no greater threat here so that the act would become void from 'within' its own culture rather than have another culture 'decide' its not right.

a ban just allows sloppy practices with less hygiene and is far more dangerous.

I don't hold any of the answers but i do know finger pointing alone isn't going to help or change anything.

 

[Strange]

But then it is not the practice that is the cause, more the social and cultural reasoning behind it.

Always go to the root of the problem i say, and the problem isn't the mutilation in my eyes, rather the views of woman and how people feel they are more likely to be tempted living oerhaps in a westernised society where 'sins' are more accessible because there is less of their own big brother surveillance around.

the mutilation is only a effect.

SO i say, why not allow the practice of the circumcision under perhaps higher quality doctors and medicine.

At least this would provide the best chance to save as much sexual sensation as possible.

Short term answer but it would then allow with time for future generations to integrate more within britain to see that there is no greater threat here so that the act would become void from 'within' its own culture rather than have another culture 'decide' its not right.

a ban just allows sloppy practices with less hygiene and is far more dangerous.

I don't hold any of the answers but i do know finger pointing alone isn't going to help or change anything.

For it to become legal and have people actually approve of it then they should do extensive studies on how it has affected peoples lives. Just because you are raised in one culture does not mean you will spend the rest of your life in the culture and circumcision is a life long decision that you have no control over.

 

[November Rain]

well for me it's a life long decision i have no control over, i was circumsized as a child.

saying that, i probably would circumsize my male kids if i had any.

 

[Strange]

well for me it's a life long decision i have no control over, i was circumsized as a child.

saying that, i probably would circumsize my male kids if i had any.

I had no choice either but from all I have read female circumcision is a completely different ballgame.

 

[November Rain]

ah yes.

But is that because the practice itself is babaric or the overall outcome.

wouldn't evolving and sanitising the process so there is less harm caused perhaps a way to go about it.

I mean if they can turn a penis into a vagina without the surgery being deemed 'mutilation' I'm fairly sure the sexual regions of a lady could be...tamed if desired.

it then becomes a question on whether taming sexual desires is acceptible.

i know uncircumsized men are less aroused because the skin of the penis is less sensitive due to more exposure but that's a minor thing with me.

The west does put a lot of emphasis on love, sex than perhaps other cultures.

it's also really who wants to have this done, the individual themselves is probably too young to have a proper opinion so it comes down to either the mother or the father.

for me, there are too many questions.

 

[Strange]

ah yes.

But is that because the practice itself is babaric or the overall outcome.

wouldn't evolving and sanitising the process so there is less harm caused perhaps a way to go about it.

I mean if they can turn a penis into a vagina without the surgery being deemed 'mutilation' I'm fairly sure the sexual regions of a lady could be...tamed if desired.

it then becomes a question on whether taming sexual desires is acceptible.

i know uncircumsized men are less aroused because the skin of the penis is less sensitive due to more exposure but that's a minor thing with me.

The west does put a lot of emphasis on love, sex than perhaps other cultures.

it's also really who wants to have this done, the individual themselves is probably too young to have a proper opinion so it comes down to either the mother or the father.

for me, there are too many questions.

Well a sex change is mutilation but its a full grown adult who went through a lot of therapy, which is required, and made the decision on their own. As far as male circumcision I have heard arguments on both side saying which is better as far as sexual pleasure. Female circumcision the only thing I have heard is bad stuff from people who had it done to them and the ones who agree with it are still living in that culture and they have to agree with it they don't have a choice.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Hahaha.
When a man feels like he's a woman inside and ges his thing removed, he can be elated.
Everyone male I know who's circumcized is glad he is.
Now I'm trying to imagine a woman saying, "Man! I'm SO glad they removed my clitoris!"

lol
The foreskin is not the be-all-end-all pleasure center of the sexual universe for a man. lol

 

[moraldeficiency]

I can't even believe some people are condoning this in any way. There's a great book about it by a survivor who spent her life trying to save other girls called "infidel" by Ayaan Ali. I could barely read it it was so disturbing.

Sorry but some cultures are just @ucking wrong and need to be stopped. It's not arrogance it's just decency and respect for life. We're not talking about splitting hairs over religious beliefs were talking about mutilating little girls so men can feel superior. It's not cultural it's just a stupid backward practice that was probably started by some guys insecure about their @ick size.

 

[CyberFaust]

Its also done in the west against males wishes.

hell yeah, i honestly don't see why people are ok with that and so appaled by this, it's the same fracking thing! Support both or hate both

 

[moraldeficiency]

hell yeah, i honestly don't see why people are ok with that and so appaled by this, it's the same fracking thing! Support both or hate both

You honestly don't see the difference between cutting off a guy's foreskin and cutting of a girls clitoris?

Besides the fact that male circumcision makes a male more hygenic while female circumcision often leds to life long infection problems....Hell I can't even continue it's just too stupid...

 

[CyberFaust]

You honestly don't see the difference between cutting off a guy's foreskin and cutting of a girls clitoris?

Besides the fact that male circumcision makes a male more hygenic while female circumcision often leds to life long infection problems....Hell I can't even continue it's just too stupid...

hell, of course i can, but i honestly think both are in the same boat. A verry verry bad boat. I'f you're agains one and for the other i consider you a idiot. The end.

 

[The Lizard]

But it's arrogant of us to think our culture is superior.
Their ways are just...different.

Like jaguarr says, "There is no better, only different. ...............-jag"

 

[moraldeficiency]

hell, of course i can, but i honestly think both are in the same boat. A verry verry bad boat. I'f you're agains one and for the other i consider you a idiot. The end.

Same boat, dude they're not in the same ocean. I'm cut but I can still enjoy sex, when it's done to a woman sex is painful at all times.

One just makes you last longer, have better hygine, and generally be more attractive to the opposite sex.

The other takes all pleasure out of sex and further subjugates and dehumanizes a person.

It's not even close.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah female circumcision is the same as male circumcision, no cultures are better than any other, no customs are better than others.

Does anyone here ever just get disgusted by how the disturbing contest to show how enlightened and better and accepting we can be can blind us to obvious truths?

But I guess when we don't personally have problems in our lives beyond philosophical debates then real troubles real tragedies real suffering is not even a concern except as a moral debate.

Now I'll leave this board and let you all debate that pedofiles should be allowed to rape little kids as long as it's in a different culture and how perfectly right it is for women to be stoned because it's a different culture.

Cultures are great, but they come and go. Civilizations rise and fall. End of the day, people are people and some practices are just so wrong humanity not only shouldn't allow it but should actively fight it.

 

[Orko Is King]

Keep your dumbass, backwards ***** practices in your own backwards countries please. Don't spread them to where sanity (usually) prevails.

 

[CyberFaust]

england prevails!

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Now I'll leave this board and let you all debate that pedofiles should be allowed to rape little kids as long as it's in a different culture

If you read back, people have actually said that it's all right to perform oral sex on your children to get them to stop crying, IF you live in a certain culture.

That's how far this Tolerance/Diversity madness has gone.

 

[AhabTheArab]

hate those sand.....

 

[Strange]

If you read back, people have actually said that it's all right to perform oral sex on your children to get them to stop crying, IF you live in a certain culture.

That's how far this Tolerance/Diversity madness has gone.

Oral sex helps me when I feel like crying but if it was done by my mother than I will have to cut off my own junk.

 

[moraldeficiency]

If you read back, people have actually said that it's all right to perform oral sex on your children to get them to stop crying, IF you live in a certain culture.

That's how far this Tolerance/Diversity madness has gone.

That's why I said it.

 

[Carcharodon]

People can cite cultural differences all they like...there's still a difference between right and wrong. This is wrong.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Great example of such a thing as an inferior and "wrong" culture.

The way they discovered the human form of Mad Cow disease.

There was this African tribe and it was being decimated.
I saw the film footage, most of the children had a severe palsy.
They couldn't walk or even stand. They were twitching.
It would get worse and worse until they died, prematurely.

Well, it was because, in this "culture", you're supposed to eat the remains of your dead loved ones, to ensure that you assimilate their strengths and "powers".
So the whole family would share, and the kids would get left having to eat the brains, spreading the disease.

Bad, bad cultural practice.
Not "different".
Wrong/Stupid/Ignorant/Deadly

 

[Kelly]

Great example of such a thing as an inferior and "wrong" culture.

The way they discovered the human form of Mad Cow disease.

There was this African tribe and it was being decimated.
I saw the film footage, most of the children had a severe palsy.
They couldn't walk or even stand. They were twitching.
It would get worse and worse until they died, prematurely.

Well, it was because, in this "culture", you're supposed to eat the remains of your dead loved ones, to ensure that you assimilate their strengths and "powers".
So the whole family would share, and the kids would get left having to eat the brains, spreading the disease.

Bad, bad cultural practice.
Not "different".
Wrong/Stupid/Ignorant/Deadly

That is why most cultures where cannibalism was strong are no longer around....the correct word is ignorance....yes.