The Amazing Spider-Man Finally Spidey will be less Clark Kent and more Peter Parker

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As a Superman fan first I felt kind of annoyed with the Raimi Spidey movies because the characterization was off with Peter. I always thought he was not in the totally cool crowd or the nerd crowd. Less of an outsider than Clark for sure. It seems that with the new movie, the characterization will make much more sense.

Anyone agree?
 
Not that it means anything towards his performance, but seeing Andrew Garfield in his Peter Parker glasses gave me a Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent vibe.
 
I think he will nail the role in the way Reeve did with Superman. I don't think he will be playing the character of Clark Kent like Tobey did in many moments.
 
Maguire never played Peter like Clark Kent. Clark Kent wasn't a nerd. He pretended to be one to divert suspicion from him being Superman. Superman was his real personality. Maguire's Peter was presenting his normal personality and it was nothing like Reeve's Kent.
 
Maguire never played Peter like Clark Kent. Clark Kent wasn't a nerd. He pretended to be one to divert suspicion from him being Superman. Superman was his real personality. Maguire's Peter was presenting his normal personality and it was nothing like Reeve's Kent.
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I don't think they made Peter Parker into Superman in the other movies, I think they just never progressed his character beyond his geeky and awkward 15yo self.

Mcguire's version was a perfect representation of Peter from his very earliest issues, but yes, once Peter actually went out into the world, college, manhattan, etc., he was MUCH more confident and relaxed than Maguire ever portrayed him.

It does seem like Garfield will/has made Peter Parker into a much more likable and enviable person. I mean, who would actually want to be Maguire's Peter Parker? His life was awful, and he had a personality to match. Garfield might actually make Peter Parker cool.
 
Yes, Tobey Maguire's Peter Parker was, as you said, the very early version of Peter that seemed more worldly than Maguire's Peter.
The way I see it, and I've said this before, is that Andrew Garfield is playing Ultimate Peter Parker. But I think it's more than that. I think it's Ultimate Peter Parker coming face-to-face with events and problems that are outside the Ultimate universe.
 
From what I've seen so far, the characterization seems like early 20s Peter (like he was written in the late 60s) updated for our modern world, and the different personas and struggles it creates.
 
Garfield feels much like a real person so his version of Peter Parker is more believable.

He is still geeky awkward person but is not as whiny.
 
Maguire never played Peter like Clark Kent. Clark Kent wasn't a nerd. He pretended to be one to divert suspicion from him being Superman. Superman was his real personality. Maguire's Peter was presenting his normal personality and it was nothing like Reeve's Kent.

And yet both Maguire and Raimi did Parker another Christopher Revee's Clark Kent many times.
 
And yet both Maguire and Raimi did Parker another Christopher Revee's Clark Kent many times.

If you mean that Spidey 2 & 3 had similarities to Supes 2 & 3 (Power loss/Good & evil versions respectively) let's remember that the power loss/quitting element happened in the Spidey comics up to 14 years before Supes 2 was made. As for the good vs. evil Pete, that wasn't Raimi's plan. It was thrown together after Venom was forced into the film.

Moreover, any similarities between Peter and Clark (glasses, nerdiness, working for a newspaper) happened in the comics first. I think the similarities is the main reason why Peter lost the glasses in ASM#8.
 
The symbiote suit was not thrown in because of Venom being forced on Raimi he had wanted to use that storyline in 3 without Venom, he was always an afterthought by the studio cough*cough* Avi Arad.
 
The symbiote suit was not thrown in because of Venom being forced on Raimi he had wanted to use that storyline in 3 without Venom, he was always an afterthought by the studio cough*cough* Avi Arad.

There was no symbiote originally. The villains were to be Vulture and Sandman. Raimi has stated repeatedly that he had no interest in Venom or the whole symbiote saga.
 
The symbiote suit was not thrown in because of Venom being forced on Raimi he had wanted to use that storyline in 3 without Venom, he was always an afterthought by the studio cough*cough* Avi Arad.

No he didn't want to use the black suit, the only thing he wanted to do people often criticize Sony for, was use three villains. The story of the Raimi films was supposed to center around Peter and Mary Jane. The first film was about Peter learning to make the hard choices in life, which meant saying no to the love of his life so she could be safe. The second film was learning how to balance our person dreams with the responsibilities we are given.

At the end of Spider-Man 2 Peter decides to be Spider-Man and be with Mary Jane, and he was supposed to learn the consequences of this action in the 3rd film, by having a swarm of new super villains (Harry, Sandman, and the Vulture). Vulture was supposed to be an established villain at the beginning who Spider-man gets locked up, Sandman's arc is similar but more developed, and we spend the majority of the movie with Peter and Harry. At the end, Sandman get desperate and breaks the vulture out of prison and the two team up to fight Spider-Man.

Honestly I think this sounds like a much better film than the symbiote story, because that just made everything too complicated. The vulture is a simple villain and spends the majority of the movie in jail, while we focus on developing Peter and Harry, and the Sandman, without having to worry about symbiote Peter or Eddy Brock.
 
No...only revisionist history where Raimi froze Han Solo in carbonite is acceptable here. Sony and Avi Arad can't have made bad choices for SM3 since they made this movie.
 
Maguire never played Peter like Clark Kent. Clark Kent wasn't a nerd. He pretended to be one to divert suspicion from him being Superman. Superman was his real personality. Maguire's Peter was presenting his normal personality and it was nothing like Reeve's Kent.

Youre right. Maguire's Peter was a bigger loser than Clark's interpretation of being one.

What I loved about Reeves was, as Clark he'd act like a kind-hearted bumbling fool but when the specs came off, he dominated with aplomb. Dominated with a cool swagger. Maguire's peter was just a bumbling loser in and out of costume and had no real personality development and was a far cry from Peter/Spidey's character to begin with anyway.
 
Youre right. Maguire's Peter was a bigger loser than Clark's interpretation of being one.

What I loved about Reeves was, as Clark he'd act like a kind-hearted bumbling fool but when the specs came off, he dominated with aplomb.

Really off-topic and random, but I like this word :oldrazz:
 
Youre right. Maguire's Peter was a bigger loser than Clark's interpretation of being one.

What I loved about Reeves was, as Clark he'd act like a kind-hearted bumbling fool but when the specs came off, he dominated with aplomb. Dominated with a cool swagger. Maguire's peter was just a bumbling loser in and out of costume and had no real personality development and was a far cry from Peter/Spidey's character to begin with anyway.

You're so wrong, he wasn't a bumbling loser. A far cry from Peter/Spidey in the comics yes, but he was a much more modern day nerd than Andrew Garfield. He's just kind of shy and uncertain and socially awkward, there was a lot of character development and he was a lovable character.

Personally I think it's absolutely ludicrous that the Raimi films are being bashed to death by the same people who said back in 07 "there's NO WAY spider-man 3 could be bad" I see people pointing out how Spider-Man has a 65% approval rating on rotten tomatoes, when it must have dropped at least 10 points in the past few months!

Toby Maguire was a good Peter Parker for the script he was working with, and Andrew Garfield is as well. Neither one of them are comic book Peter though. The real problem is that the Spider-Man franchize is being made by a studio that i honestly think has no idea what they're doing.

Spider-Man is getting a reboot, but they green light a sequel to Ghost Rider? Was there some kind of mix up with the paper work there?
 
If you mean that Spidey 2 & 3 had similarities to Supes 2 & 3 (Power loss/Good & evil versions respectively) let's remember that the power loss/quitting element happened in the Spidey comics up to 14 years before Supes 2 was made. As for the good vs. evil Pete, that wasn't Raimi's plan. It was thrown together after Venom was forced into the film.

Moreover, any similarities between Peter and Clark (glasses, nerdiness, working for a newspaper) happened in the comics first. I think the similarities is the main reason why Peter lost the glasses in ASM#8.
Yeah. Stan Lee essentially created Peter Parker to be Jimmy Olsen with spider powers.
 
You're so wrong, he wasn't a bumbling loser. A far cry from Peter/Spidey in the comics yes, but he was a much more modern day nerd than Andrew Garfield. He's just kind of shy and uncertain and socially awkward, there was a lot of character development and he was a lovable character.

Personally I think it's absolutely ludicrous that the Raimi films are being bashed to death by the same people who said back in 07 "there's NO WAY spider-man 3 could be bad" I see people pointing out how Spider-Man has a 65% approval rating on rotten tomatoes, when it must have dropped at least 10 points in the past few months!

Toby Maguire was a good Peter Parker for the script he was working with, and Andrew Garfield is as well. Neither one of them are comic book Peter though. The real problem is that the Spider-Man franchize is being made by a studio that i honestly think has no idea what they're doing.

Spider-Man is getting a reboot, but they green light a sequel to Ghost Rider? Was there some kind of mix up with the paper work there?
That post essentially just translates to "I really like the Raimi movies and I'm upset people are questioning them."

I'm sorry, but Maguire - in some people's opinions, mine included - was just never that good. Spider-Man 1 and 2 were very good movies, but how Peter Parker was presented and acted was always a flaw of all three of the Raimi movies, IMO.

And that's not some terrible, awful untruth. It's an opinion. And apparently a half-way valid one considering so many people feel the same way.
 
You're so wrong,

The fact is, I really am not.

he wasn't a bumbling loser.

Yes he was. By spider-man 2, everything Peter did just became increasingly pathetic. Any sympathy the character had was completely gone by the time sm3 came around. I remember clearly when I went to see sm3, the entire audience laughed their asses off at the scenes where Peter was supposed to command our sympathy because his haplessness and his dopey character became a joke. A pastiche of one man's pathetic personality.

A far cry from Peter/Spidey in the comics yes, but he was a much more modern day nerd than Andrew Garfield.

Ey? I think you're out of touch as to what a nerd is. Being a nerd is an expansive label and in my experience, I can honestly say that for the last 15 years at least, being a nerd doesn't carry the same cliched stigma it used to have. One can be a nerd and still not be attributed with the social ineptitude that Maguire presented us with and the point of the movie was to bring the comics to the big screen. Peter's character in the comics is timeless and didn't need to be watered down and for him to come off as a pathetic loser to garner sympathy and relatability. The USM comics is a classic example of taking 1960s Peter and bringing him to the 21st Century without making him look like some social ****** because even when Stan was writing the comics, Peter may have been awkward but he was never written as some chronic social ****** the way he was portrayed in Raimi's movies.

He's just kind of shy and uncertain and socially awkward, there was a lot of character development and he was a lovable character.

Peter in Raimi's movies was a *****. Simple as.

And what character development are you talking about? Sure, Peter came to understand the meaning of power, responsibility and forgiveness but he himself, his personality never changed. He allowed himself to be bullied, showed no backbone and not once did he show an initiative of confidence. He was a soft spoken, teary-eyed, dopey-looking ***** that only decided to show people he had a pair in between his legs when he came into contact with the symbiot.

Personally I think it's absolutely ludicrous that the Raimi films are being bashed to death by the same people who said back in 07 "there's NO WAY spider-man 3 could be bad" I see people pointing out how Spider-Man has a 65% approval rating on rotten tomatoes, when it must have dropped at least 10 points in the past few months!

I don't care for any of this because I've been here for just over 10 years and I've launched many campaigns of my hate for Raimi's spidey flicks but this is a new take and another chance for spidey to be done to a standard that may be fitting to me. Jury's out for now but I'll see you next tuesday.

Toby Maguire was a good Peter Parker for the script he was working with, and Andrew Garfield is as well. Neither one of them are comic book Peter though. The real problem is that the Spider-Man franchize is being made by a studio that i honestly think has no idea what they're doing.

So you've seen the movie? Well that's odd because I know Peter from the comics, Maguire wasn't him and yet from all the footage I've seen thus far of this movie, Garfield seems to have nailed comic book Peter but I can't substantiate it yet as, I'm yet to see the film.
 
By spider-man 2, everything Peter did just became increasingly pathetic. Any sympathy the character had was completely gone by the time sm3 came around. I remember clearly when I went to see sm3, the entire audience laughed their asses off at the scenes where Peter was supposed to command our sympathy because his haplessness and his dopey character became a joke. A pastiche of one man's pathetic personality.

There's a good point here that Peter just became pathetic as time went on in Raimi's trilogy. Problems that didn't seem too bad in Spider-Man 2 went on to evolve and become even worse in Spider-Man 3. It's pretty sad, really.
 
That post essentially just translates to "I really like the Raimi movies and I'm upset people are questioning them."

I'm sorry, but Maguire - in some people's opinions, mine included - was just never that good. Spider-Man 1 and 2 were very good movies, but how Peter Parker was presented and acted was always a flaw of all three of the Raimi movies, IMO.

And that's not some terrible, awful untruth. It's an opinion. And apparently a half-way valid one considering so many people feel the same way.

Thats what you want it to translate into, but what the post really translates into, is "all of you used to love these movies stop jumping on the band wagon". I could see if Marc Webb was doing something really different here but he's not, and it's a waste of a reboot. It feels very much like Superman Returns and not enough like Batman begins.

I really don't understand why there has to be this big deal about how bad the Raimi films were. We went through the same thing a few years ago with Keaton vs Bale, and people finally had to accept they are both very different versions of Batman and are great int their own respect.

Brandon Routhe wasn't a bad Superman, nor is Andrew Garfield a bad Spider-Man, I really like his performance from what I've seen actually, much more so than Maguires even. However, theres just something about the tone and the way this movie feels like tells me Marc Webb doesn't understand the Comics well enough to be heading this project.

As for Garfield vs Maguire, I think people need to just leave it the way we left Keaton vs Bale. They are both very different versions of Spider-Man and both work in their own respects.
 
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