Transformers First Transformers Set Pictures

[antariksh]

x3 and narnia had good depht?



i barely cared for who lived and who died in those movies...

X3-yes
narnia- I don't know

 

[The Question]

x3 and narnia had good depht?



i barely cared for who lived and who died in those movies...

That doesn't mean they lacked any real depth. Alot of the themes in X3 were quite deep. Anyway, they were far from mindless action films.

 

[DorkyFresh]

That doesn't mean they lacked any real depth. Alot of the themes in X3 were quite deep. Anyway, they were far from mindless action films.

in my opinion....they were. i didn't carry anything away from those movies. i didn't get any underlying meanings...all i got was eyecandy.


but this isn't about X3 or Narnia, this is Transformers. i don't want this thread getting too off course so if you'd like to discuss those 2 movies...please PM me.

 

[terry78]

On the one hand, you need depth for the characters, as a lot of the themes stem around loyalty, betrayal, humanity, hatred, and what not. But on the other, you don't want it to be a snore fest either, with nothing but dialogue and talking heads.

 

[The Question]

in my opinion....they were. i didn't carry anything away from those movies. i didn't get any underlying meanings...all i got was eyecandy.

Well, the depth was there.

but this isn't about X3 or Narnia, this is Transformers. i don't want this thread getting too off course so if you'd like to discuss those 2 movies...please PM me.

I won't. My point here is thus: Transformers shouldn't be a mindless action movie. Mainly because, if something is mindless, it tends to be, well, stupid. Stupid, in my experience, is quite bad.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Well, the depth was there.

i know that's your opinion.....and once again, mine is that it had the depth of a puddle.

 

[CFlash]

i know that's your opinion.....and once again, mine is that it had the depth of a puddle.

Well, X3 tackled many current-day issues... and posed many questions in grey make-up-your-own-mind sort of ways... It was by no means mindless. I'm not saying X3 was a great movie (I know the debate is heated), but it definately was not mindless.

Comparing the highly well-written movies we've seen in the last few years (yes, Pirates was suprisingly well-written AND well-acted) to the mindless schlock of the mid to late 90's (Armaggedon, Independence Day) is insane. Case-in-point--- Pearl Harbor was a monstrously badly written and badly executed movie whose only saving grace was the great visuals.

Will the same be true of Transformers? Despite being a children's cartoon, Transformers had a solid theme of environmental protection and energy issues (even more relevant today!). Based on the script reviews I'm not sure if this movie has those same "heady" themes. It's a shame if it doesn't. It may just turn out to be eye candy... I don't know

 

[DorkyFresh]

x3 didn't TACKLE those issues...it TOUCHED up on those issues. those issues weren't the main focus of the movie...they were thrown in there so that the story makes a minimal amount of sense...

...but i agree about the Transformer's cartoon having positive themes. i hope they are talked about in the movie, but even if they aren't that won't disappoint me. those positive themes aren't the main reason why people watch Transformers. i know they're not the main reason i watch them...

 

[The Question]

i know that's your opinion.....and once again, mine is that it had the depth of a puddle.

I don't really think depth is something one can leave up to opinion. One may have not noticed any depth in it's themes, but it's either there or it isn't. Now, weather the movie is good or not tends to be a matter of opinion.

 

[DorkyFresh]

a movie's depth CAN be a matter of opinion.....in my opinion.

 

[The Kid]

I really hate shia for some reason.

 

[muscaremy]

so is it me or is anthony anderson in this now

 

[zer00]

x3 and narnia had good depht?



i barely cared for who lived and who died in those movies...

different strokes to move the world


so a fully built Bumblebee?!

some one must take pic of this

 

[ComicKoryn]

personally, if a movie can have me wondering if I would join the side everyone deems as "bad" in a movie, I consider it to have at least some level of depth. X3 was thought provoking enough in my book to be put in the category of having some depth. While it may have had more action than character developement, we can't forget that this movie is based off of a comic book (a medium that, in the mainstream, cannot survive without at least one action scene wedged in the panels).

I have faith that Transformers will have depth, I think Micheal Bay is getting better at that (especially after seeing the island).

 

[Hypestyle]

is it me, or is that Anthony Anderson in some of these latest set pictures?

 

[toddly6666]

Anthony Anderson selling some Transformers at a car dealership!!!!!

 

[The Kid]

is that from the movie or from one of those barbershop movies.

 

[MJB]

I don't know about that. Audiences seem weary of the mindless blockbuster nowadays. The lackluster performance of MI3 I think is evidence of that. Not to mention Bay's last movie The Island.

Bad word of mouth will definately kill this movie.... or at least temper its success. Alienating the fans will rob the movie of repeat viewers (For instance, I usually see these comic movies twice.... once with my friends and once with my fiance--- IF it's good). And if the movie doesn't appeal to the majority of Gen-X that remember things like Bumblebee Bug and Soundwave being Soundwave.... it also robs the "take your kids" factor.

No way, I'm taking my daughter to see a bastardized Transformers.... there would be ZERO "bonding experience" for me to do so. Plus, I'm sure Disney or whatever will have a suitable alternative to take my daughter to.

What could have been a 500 Million+ domestic box office take.... just suddenly became 275 Million (and that's being generous!). Sure it might make its money back.... but in no way will it be a classic.

I really wish this movie endouvered to be a classic.

Um why do people expect transformers to rake in 500 million domestically? I'm not saying you think it will or nor am i singling you out, but going by your post and others i just have to point out that even if the script is kick ass and the movie delivered on all levels, it still isn't going to rake in 500 million domestically. The transformers are not on that level of popularity. The Transformers movie is going to need more then Gen X males to make it a success. After all we were the target audience for the cartoon. Not one girl i knew as a kid watched the transformers or wanted the toys. I think the demographic is going to consist of Gen x males 25-40 who were fans of the show, the kids of the older gen X males will be taken along, probably some gen X females, and Gen Y males 10-24, and gen y females that are taken along by their boyfreinds and small percentage of females that are interested in the movie. No doubt the Transformers will make money, but i'll say between 200-275 max domestically.

 

[MJB]

Changing Bumblebee from a compact car to a hot rod camero makes no sense. Even if the film could get the clearence from VW their are alternatives that are just as nice as the bug, in fact better. Toyota's Yaris or whatever line of small cars, as well as Honda, the Mini Cooper. I'm not going to b!tch about it, cause i don't care aboutthe transformers enough to get upset. i loved the show, but it's not the same to me like changing Xmen characters.

Also what are they doing to Soundwave? What's is he going to be? Also include Blaster in that mix. I believe those two transformed into Boomboxes did they not? Which are dated now.

 

[MJB]

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.

Well spoken! truth be told i don't even remember all the transformers name. Yeah i want them to be faithful enough, but i'm not going to boycott the movie because Bumblebee is now a camero, but Starscream better be a Jet and b!tchy and whiny. The main Transformers I remember is OP, Megatron, Starscream, Jazz, Bumblebee, Soundwave, The Constructicons(have no idea their names) and Blaster.

 

[CFlash]

Um why do people expect transformers to rake in 500 million domestically? I'm not saying you think it will or nor am i singling you out, but going by your post and others i just have to point out that even if the script is kick ass and the movie delivered on all levels, it still isn't going to rake in 500 million domestically. The transformers are not on that level of popularity. The Transformers movie is going to need more then Gen X males to make it a success. After all we were the target audience for the cartoon. Not one girl i knew as a kid watched the transformers or wanted the toys. I think the demographic is going to consist of Gen x males 25-40 who were fans of the show, the kids of the older gen X males will be taken along, probably some gen X females, and Gen Y males 10-24, and gen y females that are taken along by their boyfreinds and small percentage of females that are interested in the movie. No doubt the Transformers will make money, but i'll say between 200-275 max domestically.

I agree with you in terms of box office take. If the first X-Men movie didn't break 200 mil domestically (it didn't) I doubt Transformers would either.

But, the potential is there. I'd argue that Transformers (for a time) was bigger than X-Men ever was (which for a long long time was *just* a popular 80's comic book... and only a cartoon in the 90's) whereas Transformers had the holy trinity of Cartoon + Comic + Toys going on.

Another factor to consider is that this is "Michael Bay" and Steven Spielberg. I'm not confident that Bay is the "star" director he was in the 90's (his star has fallen).... but Steven Spielberg even as "Producer" has a very good track record.

Who knows? I think you're probably right though.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Toyota's Yaris or whatever line of small cars, as well as Honda, the Mini Cooper.

Yaris didn't come out until recently and they've been working on pre-production (concepts, etc.) for a while. considering they needed to start shooting a few weeks ago, i don't think they had time to conceptually make Bumblebee a Yaris. as for the mini-cooper, it's already a trademark for the Italian Job and the sequel, the Brazillian Job.

Bumblebee being a Camaro serves the story since he's supposed to be a ride that a young dude would actually want to drive (Sam ends up unknowingly buying a Transformer for his first car) instead of a VW Beetle (that has it's very own pot for holding flowers and plants).

 

[Cold2daToucH004]

People, stop posting fake pictures from the movie here. Your ruining this thread and confusing people.

Keep this thread clean and spam free. I want to have a good, set pictures thread.

 

[CFlash]

Bumblebee being a Camaro serves the story since he's supposed to be a ride that a young dude would actually want to drive (Sam ends up unknowingly buying a Transformer for his first car) instead of a VW Beetle (that has it's very own pot for holding flowers and plants).

Might be due to where you grow up, I guess. As a teenager, I never "wanted" a Camaro or any muscle car for that matter. They always seemed trite... like you're "trying to hard" to be cool. I always thought Camaros and muscle-cars in general were best left to the Andrew Dice Clay types.

[edit] I'm not saying muscle-cars aren't worth getting. Maybe as a hobby if you're a car lover or something. But as a teenager? I dunno.

 

[DorkyFresh]

well as a teen i always wanted the cooler looking cars. for me, it wasn't about BEING cool, it's about OWNING something cool. i'm a very visual person and i like 'cool' looking cars. my want for a 'cool' looking car almost gets in the way of me wanting a GOOD car hehe...