For Political Lovers: If you were to run for president what would be your platform?

[Matt]

We need a :STFUMatt: smiley.

jag

Thats it! You can't ride on Air Force Fun!

 

[Carcharodon]

Thats it! You can't ride on Air Force Fun!

What about meeeee?

 

[jaguarr]

Thats it! You can't ride on Air Force Fun!

Dammit! :buysrocketlauncher:

jag

 

[Matt]

What about meeeee?

You can ride. Jag can too if he shares and lets me play with his rocket launcher.

 

[Carcharodon]

You can ride. Jag can too if he shares and lets me play with his rocket launcher.

 

[jaguarr]

*backs slowly out of thread*

jag

 

[Ghostvirus]

so you'd pretty much turn us into the new Soviet Union?

No, not exactly. I firmly believe that the government in some aspects have given way to much breathing room to people. Groups like PETA, Rainbow Coalition, GLAAD, NAACP, & The ACLU. All should not even have nearly as much say so as they have.

I believe in a free country, but at the same time. I believe that at the end of the day it should be the Leader's final choice. I really feel right now the Government is controlled by way to many people. I would also highly consider getting rid of the senate, & house. Once again to many chickens in the hen house.

I am aware that this could pose a horrendous problem if the wrong leader were to be elected, but the people would still vote, so it would be up to them. Which reminds me. I would also get rid of the Electoral college. Let the people truly make there decision.

This wouldn't be a communist state. I would value each, & every person opinion, but I would not be forced to make a certain decision based on pressure.

Basically I would try as best I could to give as much power back to the commmon people. Not big business, & various other groups. Also education would be free. All of it!

As far as borders go. This country would be locked down. Anyone entering the country can do so with out a green card, but as soon as you break the law. You are out. If an immigrant were to push the border policy to far that person would be excuted. Simple as that. I am a firm believer that if you know the rules, & know the consequences of those rules, but you still break the rules. Then it isn't my problem. & should be willing to face the consequences.

Gay marriag would also be legal. Why this is even an issue I have no idea. There are more important things to worry about than this. Let me get there love on. I don't give a sh**.

sounds like it. don't know where he gets the idea that the poor pay taxes... unless he's using the new (laughable) poverty figures.

"46 percent of people defined as 'living in poverty' by our government actually own their own homes .. and the average home owned by a person 'living in poverty' is a three-bedroom house with one-and-one-half baths, a garage and a porch or patio. And in that garage you'll find a car; in 31 percent of 'poor' households you'll find two. You tell someone living in South America that this is how we define poverty and they'll laugh you right into next week."

"In the United States you can have $10 million in a checking account, own a $10 million house with a seven-car garage free and clear, have a Rolls Royce for every day of the week, own a $42 million Gulfstream V, have a $15 million penthouse on Park Avenue, and another $5 million walking-around money in your pocket and still be officially designated by the Imperial Federal Government of the United States as 'living in poverty.' Why? Because in determining who is poor and who is not poor in the U.S., our government only counts income, it does not count accumulated wealth. When you quit working you quit having an income (unless you have investment income). When you quit having income, you're poor."

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

Then the whole way the government views the definition of poor would need to be looked at. I was referring to the person that is worried about where there child will get their next meal. Than poor.

 

[Mysterio]

 

[Ghostvirus]

Oh I apologise for not seeing it exactly your way. I will try to do better. Please don't emoticon me again. It hurts to-*walks away laughing*.

 

[Mysterio]

no, i couldn't tell if you were being serious or not. it certainly looks like you were trying to be funny.

 

[Ghostvirus]

no, i couldn't tell if you were being serious or not. it certainly looks like you were trying to be funny.

I was being serious. I know it seems a little odd. Some of the stuff didn't come out the way I meant it, but I do feel that we as Americans have to lose a leash. I am not saying we should choke every one, but we do need to tighten it.

 

[Mysterio]

I was being serious. I know it seems a little odd. Some of the stuff didn't come out the way I meant it, but I do feel that we as Americans have to lose a leash. I am not saying we should choke every one, but we do need to tighten it.

it seems more than odd; it's downright contradictory. you are proposing a dictatorship and coming down in opposition to liberty.

I believe in a free country, but at the same time. I believe that at the end of the day it should be the Leader's final choice. I really feel right now the Government is controlled by way to many people. I would also highly consider getting rid of the senate, & house. Once again to many chickens in the hen house.

I am aware that this could pose a horrendous problem if the wrong leader were to be elected, but the people would still vote, so it would be up to them. Which reminds me. I would also get rid of the Electoral college. Let the people truly make there decision.

This wouldn't be a communist state.

i would urge you to study the history of the founding of our government and the principles behind it, and why the founding fathers instituted a republic and not a democracy.

 

[Ghostvirus]

it seems more than odd; it's downright contradictory. you are proposing a dictatorship and coming down in opposition to liberty.

i would urge you to study the history of the founding of our government and the principles behind it, and why the founding fathers instituted a republic and not a democracy.

Times have changed, & we need to change with those times. There needs to be some sort of Balance between Dictatorship, & Democracy.

 

[Venom'sDad]

^^ The United States is neither....never was and never should be. ^^

 

[Mysterio]

There needs to be some sort of Balance between Dictatorship, & Democracy.

there is. it's called a constitutional republic, which is exactly what the United States is.

i thought you said you were being serious. clearly, you aren't.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

"When employers hire illegal workers at a cut rate, they pass onto taxpayers the cost of health care and other government services used by workers and their families. I can't help but see the business lobby's support of guest-worker programs as anything but an attempt to get working people to subsidize cheapskate corporations so they can sell their products at bargain prices and make bigger profits."

that's an idiotic assessment.
sorry but it is.
it's not just large cheapskate corporations that hire illegal immigrants.
and off the top of my head I can't produce evidence but recently a study was made that the people affected by Illegal immigration and guest worker programs are the poor.
mostly them.
because Illegal immigrants pay sales tax and usually, despite the fiction that they do, use the health services far less than their American counterparts.
why is that?
mostly they are afraid of deportation, I've always loved the "other government services" line.
I guess the bus deporting them could be labeled a "service".
but hey, I think you have your mind pretty much made up about this.
let me however point out that you outstandingly wrong.
outstandingly.
look up what the largest economy in the US is.
then look up some stats related to the underlying topic of illegal immigration.
if you're smart, the pieces will come together quite nicely.

I'm reminded of the "Chinese exclusion act" lately, I read that the boom in Chinese immigration prompted them to become scapegoats for the ills of the public at large.
I like how nowadays, I hear a lot about how integral the Asian community is to the US and how productive they are and blah, blah, blah.
same could be said for the Italians and the 1920's hell even the Irish.

it's funny, but not "haha!" funny.

 

[Ghostvirus]

there is. it's called a constitutional republic, which is exactly what the United States is.

i thought you said you were being serious. clearly, you aren't.

It isn't working. We need to reboot it.

 

[Mysterio]

that's an idiotic assessment.
sorry but it is.

a well reasoned response.

it's not just large cheapskate corporations that hire illegal immigrants.

no kidding. i don't see the word "large" in that passage anywhere, do you? do you wrongly assume that all corporations are large?

and off the top of my head I can't produce evidence but recently a study was made that the people affected by Illegal immigration and guest worker programs are the poor.

really? so no one else is affected by social security/identity fraud, your tax dollars don't support education, health care, etc., for illegals?

let me however point out that you outstandingly wrong.
outstandingly.
look up what the largest economy in the US is.
then look up some stats related to the underlying topic of illegal immigration.
if you're smart, the pieces will come together quite nicely.

well that was a lot of talk without saying anything, now wasn't it? you really know how to support your position. really looks like you know what you're talking about.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Here in So. California several hospital emergency rooms have been shut down over the years due to people who cannot pay the bills. Most of these people are illegals. Stories have hit the newspapers as well about Mexican women who are about to give birth running across the border to a U.S. hospital so that they can get free medical care and have the kid born on U.S. soil. As a result of this several emergency rooms have shut down, more than one hospital has closed and there is another right now that may close.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

a well reasoned response.

why would I waste effort on explaining the mechanics of it's idiocy, any one even remotely familiar with border economics knows it's flawed.
you seem to hold the rather wrong belief that in order to critique something you must have like a page worth of things to say.

I could've just gone with "that's dumb" but I retrained myself.

no kidding. i don't see the word "large" in that passage anywhere, do you? do you wrongly assume that all corporations are large?

I don't assume anything, the only one "assuming" things is you.
a lot of mom and pop businesses also hire illegals. and they are not corporations.
I think my point was made.

what was yours anyway?

really? so no one else is affected by social security/identity fraud, your tax dollars don't support education, health care, etc., for illegals?

well, my tax dollars aren't affected since I live in Mexico.
that's first and foremost.
and I think that I mentioned that a study was made.
from some university, go ask them the facts.
though since I'm a sucker for accuracy I went and checked, and you were right, it does in fact affect all Americans.

Illegal immigration has both negative and positive impacts on different parts of the economy. As noted above, wages for low-skilled workers go down. But that means the rest of America benefits by paying lower prices for things like restaurant meals, agricultural produce and construction. Another negative impact is on government expenditures. Since undocumented workers generally don't pay income taxes but do use schools and other government services, they are seen as a drain on government spending.

There are places in the United States where illegal immigration has big effects (both positive and negative). But economists generally believe that when averaged over the whole economy, the effect is a small net positive. Harvard's George Borjas says the average American's wealth is increased by less than 1 percent because of illegal immigration.

The economic impact of illegal immigration is far smaller than other trends in the economy, such as the increasing use of automation in manufacturing or the growth in global trade. Those two factors have a much bigger impact on wages, prices and the health of the U.S. economy.

and

Illegal workers: good for U.S. economy
The U.S. has benefited from illegal immigrants, most economists say, though some low-skilled workers have been hurt.

so yeah, that seems like pretty fair views on the subject.

well that was a lot of talk without saying anything, now wasn't it? you really know how to support your position. really looks like you know what you're talking about.

and I just highlighted that because I'm a sucker for Irony.
seeing as how you pretty much have done nothing to support YOUR argument.

just seemed ironic.

you know what that is right?

when things are jam packed with irony.

I think it's a mineral or something.

 

[Kritish]

I get such a kick out of all these Rush Limbaugh fueled idiots who spew the same old crap about Socialism not working. No folks, Communism is what doesn't work.

If you're just dying for an example of a Social Democracy in acting lake a look at the countries of Scandinavia some time.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Here in So. California several hospital emergency rooms have been shut down over the years due to people who cannot pay the bills. Most of these people are illegals. Stories have hit the newspapers as well about Mexican women who are about to give birth running across the border to a U.S. hospital so that they can get free medical care and have the kid born on U.S. soil. As a result of this several emergency rooms have shut down, more than one hospital has closed and there is another right now that may close.

that's wrong.
quite wrong.
the only news sources I've found that even remotely talk about this
were Newsmax and a transcript from Lou Dobbs ( and we KNOW he just loooooves Mexicans right?) so....uh...no.