Frontline #11 sucked (spoilers I guess)

[kainedamo]

I can't remember the last time I was so offended by how bad a comic was, if ever.

"Do you know what myspace is? Do you know who Paris Hilton is? Ever watch the Simpsons?"

My God. I felt that this whole comic (from that ridiculous rant given to Captain America, to that stupid character applauding Iron Man for having Green Goblin kill Atlanteans) talked down to the reader. I mean, it flat out belittled the reader and talked to the reader like an idiot.

So myspace, used predominantly by emo teens, and Paris Hilton, idolized by stupid ****es, exemplifies what it is to be an American? We're talking about a very small group of people here. The US has hundreds of millions of people in it. Only a tiny fraction has any interest in myspace and Paris Hilton.

The comic book sort of implies that this dumb ****e is the voice of the reader, and therefore the reader is a myspace junkie and in love with Paris Hilton, apparently.

So much for smart political allegory and political discussion. At £2.15, we deserve alot better than what we got here.

Whats even more confounding to me is, up until now, Frontline has been solid. More than solid, its pretty much been the highlight of the whole Civil War fiasco. I considered it better than the main book itself. Paul Jenkins is a good writer. What the hell went wrong in this issue? It was completely stupid on many levels.

 

[Darthphere]

Closing.....

Also, Peter Jenkins sucks, good thing we still have Paul Jenkins.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Couldn't you have just put this in the bought/thought thread where peoples love or hate of an issue is supposed to go.

 

[Mr. Green]

I'm right there with you man. I just read it last night and it was totally missing the point. Cap never started anything. He was attacked by ****ing SHIELD for not helping them, and other heroes were attacked and imprisoned for HELPING people. There never would have been any casualties if Stark wasn't such a dick.

And why in God's name was Cap wearing his costume in prison?

 

[Darthphere]

Actually, technically, Cap did start it by disobeying orders. Maria Hill was fully within her rights to try to arrest him for that. Not saying I agree with that, just saying.

 

[arachnid-guy]

I'm not looking forward to buying it tomorrow.

...i'm a completist- for my sins.

 

[Mr. Green]

Actually, technically, Cap did start it by disobeying orders. Maria Hill was fully within her rights to try to arrest him for that. Not saying I agree with that, just saying.

Yeah, I guess I was never sure where Cap drew the line when it came to being a SHIELD agent and being a superhero.

 

[mybotisgone]

Whats even more confounding to me is, up until now, Frontline has been solid. More than solid, its pretty much been the highlight of the whole Civil War fiasco. I considered it better than the main book itself. Paul Jenkins is a good writer. What the hell went wrong in this issue? It was completely stupid on many levels.

Well I don't think Jenkins liked Civil War's ending. In and interview with Mark Millar. Millar said that he keep chancing the ending to the story. You know the crapy ending that no one likes. So Jenkins seeing Civil War #7 and had no choice but to write this crap. i kind of feel sorry for Jenkins for being forced to write an ending that I don't think he even liked. But that's the way I see it.http://wizarduniverse.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=8637

 

[Darthphere]

Jenkins seemingly has been forced to write a lot of crappy stuff crappily.

 

[Artistsean]

So wait, let me get this straight. She actually said that he isn't today's american because he doesn't watch the Simpsons, use Myspace, or know who Paris Hilton is?
There are a lot of things wrong with her speech. First, she is a reporter isn't she? I mean she has to be a little smart. Also not everyone knows about myspace or cares about it, especially most older people. And Cap is a Super hero defending our country from Baron Zemo daily, he has no time to update his myspace blogs or respond to comments.
What was the context of that speech? I mean how was that meant to sound smart?

Actually, technically, Cap did start it by disobeying orders. Maria Hill was fully within her rights to try to arrest him for that. Not saying I agree with that, just saying.

Wasn't he ordered to do something he thought was in direct violation of the civil rights? Wasn't he ordered to do what Iron Man ended up doing? Rounding up heroes to either register or go to prison?
I think Cap had a right to dissobey that order then.

 

[Darthphere]

Wasn't he ordered to do something he thought was in direct violation of the civil rights? Wasn't he ordered to do what Iron Man ended up doing? Rounding up heroes to either register or go to prison?
I think Cap had a right to dissobey that order then.

Actually, he was being asked to do something in the future, at the time, the SHRA hadnt passed yet, but it was going to do without a doubt. And no, he really didnt have a right to do so under military code and law, of course I may be talking out of my ass here, we have plenty of posters here with military experience that could answer that question better. What I do know is, Hill had the explict right to arrest Captain America.

 

[Artistsean]

I don't know military laws and whatnot either, so I actually have no clue about it. And what she was asking wasn't in the emidiate future, he could have agreed and then secretly joined or helped the other side (but that would have made for a different story), it just seems like she as asking him to do something illegal. Maybe someone will with knowledge of this stuff can respond and let us know.

 

[Darthphere]

I don't know military laws and whatnot either, so I actually have no clue about it. And what she was asking wasn't in the emidiate future, he could have agreed and then secretly joined or helped the other side (but that would have made for a different story), it just seems like she as asking him to do something illegal. Maybe someone will with knowledge of this stuff can respond and let us know.

Well it wouldn't be illegal at the time, since he is just executing a law. Of course, the law could later be found to be illegal or unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, but that was unlikely, since I think the main problem with the SHRA wasn't the law itself, but in the execution of it. Either way, I know for a fact that its a solider's duty to disobey orders he believes to be illegal. I've read up on some cases about that. Of course, they would be arrested anyway, and all that would be handled later in a Court Marshall, like the current case with that asian dude.

 

[Joker]

you people are idiots. She wasnt saing Cap isnt an american because he doesnt post on Myspace, love Paris Hilton, or watch the Simpsons religiously. She was useing those things as examples of current american culture, and truthfully, they're all fairly accurate. 90% of americans may not be able to locate Iraq on a map, but damn it they could pick out Paris Hiltons picture, even if they absolutley loathe her. And most people between the ages of 13-30 most likely at least know OF myspace. And who the f**k doenst know who the simpsons are? There are different examples that could have been used, but that's all they were, examples. You all seem to be missing the point of the speech.

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah, and none of that has nothing to do with anything.

 

[Memphis Slim]

I can't remember the last time I was so offended by how bad a comic was, if ever.

"Do you know what myspace is? Do you know who Paris Hilton is? Ever watch the Simpsons?"

My God. I felt that this whole comic (from that ridiculous rant given to Captain America, to that stupid character applauding Iron Man for having Green Goblin kill Atlanteans) talked down to the reader. I mean, it flat out belittled the reader and talked to the reader like an idiot.

So myspace, used predominantly by emo teens, and Paris Hilton, idolized by stupid ****es, exemplifies what it is to be an American? We're talking about a very small group of people here. The US has hundreds of millions of people in it. Only a tiny fraction has any interest in myspace and Paris Hilton.

The comic book sort of implies that this dumb ****e is the voice of the reader, and therefore the reader is a myspace junkie and in love with Paris Hilton, apparently.

So much for smart political allegory and political discussion. At £2.15, we deserve alot better than what we got here.

Whats even more confounding to me is, up until now, Frontline has been solid. More than solid, its pretty much been the highlight of the whole Civil War fiasco. I considered it better than the main book itself. Paul Jenkins is a good writer. What the hell went wrong in this issue? It was completely stupid on many levels.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!

COME QUICKLY WORLD WAR HULK!!!!

 

[BrianWilly]

Actually, technically, Cap did start it by disobeying orders. Maria Hill was fully within her rights to try to arrest him for that. Not saying I agree with that, just saying.

...Arresting him on a law that hasn't actually passed yet? I mean I can't tell you much more about the military than what I've learned on TV, but that doesn't sound terribly legal either. I can't imagine any technicality on any level that allows any military commander to put into effect a law that hasn't passed. Just because it's going to pass doesn't mean that it has; that's a horrible reason, and if the military actually does things like that then they deserve to be punched in the nuts.

 

[Memphis Slim]

I'm right there with you man. I just read it last night and it was totally missing the point. Cap never started anything. He was attacked by ****ing SHIELD for not helping them, and other heroes were attacked and imprisoned for HELPING people. There never would have been any casualties if Stark wasn't such a dick.

And why in God's name was Cap wearing his costume in prison?

I think a lot of people missed that!! Cap didn't start this thing!! Now you got Cap saying "I should have come to the table with Tony and Reed????" WHAT??????

They were shooting at Cap in the heli-carrier!!!

Anybody read Black Panther?? T'Challa tells Storm that Cap "QUIT". He put his kingdom's already strained relationship with the U.S. at risk, just so Rogers can quit. He looked pissed. He could have stayed uninvolved and got the same result.

 

[Memphis Slim]

I'm right there with you man. I just read it last night and it was totally missing the point. Cap never started anything. He was attacked by ****ing SHIELD for not helping them, and other heroes were attacked and imprisoned for HELPING people. There never would have been any casualties if Stark wasn't such a dick.

And why in God's name was Cap wearing his costume in prison?

I think a lot of people missed that!! Cap didn't start this thing!! Now you got Cap saying "I should have come to the table with Tony and Reed????" WHAT??????

They were shooting at Cap in the heli-carrier!!!

Anybody read Black Panther?? T'Challa tells Storm that Cap "QUIT". Notice he didn't say, "He turned himself in due to casualties." He said "QUIT". T'Challa put his kingdom's already strained relationship with the U.S. at risk, just so Rogers can quit. He looked pissed. He could have stayed uninvolved and got the same result.

 

[BrianWilly]

...But we digress. The point is that this issue of Frontline sucked pee, and Sally Floyd needs to get a lethal enema.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Well...Zemo gave him a key to escape, having saw Cap's future. Hope he uses it and comes to his senses........(i.e. I hope Stan Lee starts writing again).

Give me back my Cap!!!

 

[PhotoJones]

you're definitely entitled to you own opinions, but i thought i'd point out factual errors.

So myspace, used predominantly by emo teens, and Paris Hilton, idolized by stupid ****es, exemplifies what it is to be an American? We're talking about a very small group of people here. The US has hundreds of millions of people in it. Only a tiny fraction has any interest in myspace and Paris Hilton.

i wish that were true but it's not. paris hilton, myspace and american idol ARE america. this is what we are now. celebrity tabloid magazines are a mutli-million dollar business, myspace has more members than any other website, and american idol is the top rated show everytime it airs.

i almost admire your naivete...almost.

The comic book sort of implies that this dumb ****e is the voice of the reader, and therefore the reader is a myspace junkie and in love with Paris Hilton, apparently.

actually, ben urich was the nararator. also, it doesn't imply she's like the mainstream majority. it implies that she recognizes it.

So much for smart political allegory and political discussion. At £2.15, we deserve alot better than what we got here.

again, you're entitled to your own opinion, but if you're going to claim to know so much about america, it helps to live here.

Whats even more confounding to me is, up until now, Frontline has been solid. More than solid, its pretty much been the highlight of the whole Civil War fiasco. I considered it better than the main book itself. Paul Jenkins is a good writer. What the hell went wrong in this issue? It was completely stupid on many levels.

in the end, frontline 11 was not perfect; but what is?

if you're going to comment and complain about it's "crapiness" at least get the facts straight.

 

[Artistsean]

90% of americans may not be able to locate Iraq on a map, but damn it they could pick out Paris Hiltons picture, even if they absolutley loathe her.

Its easier to point out a picture of someone than it is to find a place on a map (I assume the map is unlabelled). I mean it doesn't even have to be a celebraty. Someone could probably point out a picture of Taft easier than they can find a unmarked place on a map.

What makes America what it is, is its freedoms. Its democracy and the rights of the people to worship and vote the way they want. I mean I am no historian or anything like that, but I don't think America is just what shows it watches or what is on the internet.
Paris Hilton is probably known all over, Myspace is used by more than just America. And I think American Idol started in England right? And it can probably be viewed in reruns or live by other parts of the world.
Those places aren't America just because they know about these things too.

I haven't read this issue, so maybe I don't understand the context. Was she maybe being sarcastic, or were they trying to point out the close minded people who don't understand Cap?

Also, Cap didn't respond right? Maybe he does know about all these things and just didn't feel like responding because he is upset by the current events. doesn't feel like responding just for her.

 

[Darthphere]

...Arresting him on a law that hasn't actually passed yet? I mean I can't tell you much more about the military than what I've learned on TV, but that doesn't sound terribly legal either. I can't imagine any technicality on any level that allows any military commander to put into effect a law that hasn't passed. Just because it's going to pass doesn't mean that it has; that's a horrible reason, and if the military actually does things like that then they deserve to be punched in the nuts.

Orders are orders. Either way, the scene the way it was portrayed is heavily flawed as is, for the reasons you stated, mostly, since Hill was acting in preparation but had no reason to have cape killer units on stand by.

 

[PhotoJones]

Orders are orders. Either way, the scene the way it was portrayed is heavily flawed as is, for the reasons you stated, mostly, since Hill was acting in preparation but had no reason to have cape killer units on stand by.

whatever. you creamed your pants when cap took them all down and rode a fighter jet.

we all did.