Future of DC Films

[MadVillainy]

Im going to say that relatability is not whats potentially wrong with DC franchises

 

[The Morningstar]

Can we add this to another reason to hate Hal Jordan and Barry Allen?

Heh, as if they need another reason. It's kinda funny seeing critics say Hal Jordan is bland and uninteresting, it must be pretty comic book accurate then...

 

[Ness]

It was after Wonder Woman and Green Lantern First Flight came out (and didn't do the numbers WB Home Video wanted) that WB HV made the decision to go with mostly Batman/Superman starring movies from then on. Director/storyboard artist Lauren Montgomery confirmed this on her blog (and a Batgirl Year One movie she was pushing for didn’t happen for this very reason).

Those shorts were a way to get around this by the production team, but WB Home Video was banking on the DVD compiling all those shorts together (with the Superman/Captain Marvel short being the main draw) doing well enough to make back the money it took to make them. That didn’t happen either, so it’s unlikely you will see any more of those shorts in the future.



I don't see why a Wonder Woman or Green Lantern movie couldn't do at least as well as Thor has done at the box office. Flash might be more relatable than them in a lot of respects, but he isn't a sure thing (and his TV show only lasted one season if I remember correctly).

Okay well, that was after those two animated films then. I didn't know that. Regardless, it wasn't just Batman/Superman from the get-go.

Wonder Woman and Green Lantern could work. Everything could work. Warner Bros. just needs to spend time finding the right people to make the film. Marvel Studios is clearly doing something Warner Bros. isn't.

As for Flash's show, yes it lasted only one season, that was due to various things like expense, the Gulf War coverage at the time and other competition from really good shows on other networks like Fox and NBC. I don't think it was so much that it was a bad show, it was just that it had a lot of other shows that were also really good at the time and had to compete.

 

[GhostPoet]

It's like i've been saying for who knows how long now. DC comics needs to STOP doing live action films and focus on creating a fully CG super high quality film. People are generally more accepting of the "incredible" in a CG film than they are live action. And DC comics tends to be a bit more old school with their heroes looks. So really, a high quality CG film is the best method of getting an accurate representation of the hero.

Stop coping marvel and go their own route should be the goal.

 

[Airwings]

GhostPoet: DC Comics' heroes should be live action, just as Marvel's. Green Lantern doesn't look more old school than Spider-Man. Both are dressed in colorful flashy outfits.

 

[Godzilla2014]

GhostPoet: DC Comics' heroes should be live action, just as Marvel's. Green Lantern doesn't look more old school than Spider-Man. Both are dressed in colorful flashy outfits.

Agreed.

 

[BlueLantern]

Hal Jordan isn't uninteresting if done properly. If you read everything following Rebirth he's a pretty cool character but yes he's a straight shooter for all intents and purposes.

Maybe a bit of an edge to him would be handy but it isn't needed to be honest.

 

[Keyser Soze]

One of the complaints about Green Lantern seems to be that people are getting sick of seeing the same hackneyed superhero origin story, and are wanting something a little different from their comic book movies. Green Lantern could have escaped that by focusing more on the space-faring elements and the Corps, but judging by reviews seems to have fallen into that formulaic trap. The danger is that, even if we do get more DCU movies after this, the likes of The Flash might be in danger of becoming yet another Superhero Origin 101 film.

Maybe what DC needs to do is take advantage of the diversity of its publishing output. Marvel is handling the whole "shared universe" thing, so maybe DC should go a different route. Make Swamp Thing as a horror movie. Launch Scalped as a gritty crime drama on HBO. Do Aquaman as an underwater fantasy epic rather than as a superhero origin film. Stop worrying about trying to make a Justice League film to combat Avengers, and instead make a film based on a more offbeat DC team like Suicide Squad or Secret Six. Adapt Sweet Tooth as an animated film. There are so many routes DC could go to stay relevant in its film adaptations, but maybe playing catch-up to Marvel with more superhero origins just isn't the answer.

 

[Project862006]

by origin 101 i think they hate the cocky guy who gets humbled by responsibility hell iron man and thor were exactly like that

 

[Captain Marvel]

DC Entertainment is 0-2 if this GL movie turns out to be a flop. The first strike against them being the Wonder Woman pilot.

Personally I consider the Wonder Woman pilot failing to go to series a win. Out of sight, out of mind, and all that.

 

[ClarkLuther55]

Just for the record, I really enjoyed Wonder Woman and Green Lantern: First Flight. I have them both on DVD, and Wonder Woman is my favorite film in the entire series so far. I know these characters can be translated into successful blockbuster movies...but that requires intelligence and talent on the WB's part. Something I haven't seen too much of.

As far as I'm concerned, DCE seems like a bunch of crappy hype. A reorganization that would supposedly better exploit DC characters across a variety of media. Yet they cared so little for WW that they were willing to let David Kelley waste everyone's time and money on a pilot that was clearly destined to fail.

If Green Lantern is as bad as the reviews say, and flops, then I'll KNOW that DCE is useless. Because GL has been their golden boy for the last two years, the one who was supposed to be their next breakout star, ascend to the levels of the Trinity, and lead the way into the future. How can you possibly drop the ball on such an important movie, especially with a $300 million budget on the line?

Time after time, DC and WB have failed to adapt their superheroes to the big or even small screen. I'd even rather they not try at all, if they're going to screw up this badly. I haven't seen anyone there capable of making a huge successful new franchise, aside from Nolan.

At this point, I would offer Nolan a huge wad of cash and beg for him to godfather every DC superhero.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

How much control and power does DCE really have when it comes to translating these characters to the big and small screen? Does Johns have any real clout when it comes to this, or is he subject to the same Executive and Producer stupidity that has anyways kept these characters on the shelf, and or having crappy movies made about them instead of the good ones we want to see?

 

[Keyser Soze]

At this point, I would offer Nolan a huge wad of cash and beg for him to godfather every DC superhero.

I don't think Christopher Nolan should oversee ever DC film, nor does he need to. The lesson to take from the success of the Batman films is that they got a great director in Christopher Nolan, and let him make a Christopher Nolan movie. That's what they need to start doing more of. It's why my original top choice for Man of Steel was Darren Aronofsky, though I think Snyder should do fine. Get quality filmmakers onboard, and give them a bit of control to make movies they want to make rather than just ticking the boxes.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I told you guys when they announced DCE that the only real way to know if things were different would be if they kept moving forward even after they failed. That was the staple of the old WB mindset. Failure equals inaction. If DCE is about exploiting the characters, then they'll have failures, like GL possibly. Marvel didn't just keep going with Iron Man after TIH failed.

Flash and/or Hawkman should be getting ready if this is a new dynamic.

 

[Godzilla2014]

One of the complaints about Green Lantern seems to be that people are getting sick of seeing the same hackneyed superhero origin story, and are wanting something a little different from their comic book movies. Green Lantern could have escaped that by focusing more on the space-faring elements and the Corps, but judging by reviews seems to have fallen into that formulaic trap. The danger is that, even if we do get more DCU movies after this, the likes of The Flash might be in danger of becoming yet another Superhero Origin 101 film.

Maybe what DC needs to do is take advantage of the diversity of its publishing output. Marvel is handling the whole "shared universe" thing, so maybe DC should go a different route. Make Swamp Thing as a hroror movie. Launch Scalped as a gritty crime drama on HBO. Do Aquaman as an underwater fantasy epic rather than as a superhero origin film. Stop worrying about trying to make a Justice League film to combat Avengers, and instead make a film based on a more offbeat DC team like Suicide Squad or Secret Six. Adapt Sweet Tooth as an animated film. There are so many routes DC could go to stay relevant in its film adaptations, but maybe playing catch-up to Marvel with more superhero origins just isn't the answer.

I completely agree. This is what I have been saying for years. I think that is why people loved The Dark Knight so much, because it really went outside the box, and blended neo noir, crime drama, and suspense thriller into one film starring Batman.

by origin 101 i think they hate the cocky guy who gets humbled by responsibility hell iron man and thor were exactly like that

I think that is the problem as well.

I don't think Christopher Nolan should oversee ever DC film, nor does he need to. The lesson to take from the success of the Batman films is that they got a great director in Christopher Nolan, and let him make a Christopher Nolan movie. That's what they need to start doing more of. It's why my original top choice for Man of Steel was Darren Aronofsky, though I think Snyder should do fine. Get quality filmmakers onboard, and give them a bit of control to make movies they want to make rather than just ticking the boxes.

Exactly.

 

[MadVillainy]

One of the complaints about Green Lantern seems to be that people are getting sick of seeing the same hackneyed superhero origin story, and are wanting something a little different from their comic book movies. Green Lantern could have escaped that by focusing more on the space-faring elements and the Corps, but judging by reviews seems to have fallen into that formulaic trap. The danger is that, even if we do get more DCU movies after this, the likes of The Flash might be in danger of becoming yet another Superhero Origin 101 film..

Well, Wonder Woman isnt a tradition origin story so that would be cool to see.

Aquaman's origin is kinda Superhero Origin 101 (man doesnt know who he is discovers powers, etc.) except having the movie be set more Atlantis then Earth would be good. And I dont mean split it as much as Asgard and Thor was split. Like literally 30 mins should be land, next 1h30 should be water

The Flash: If anyone has followed the other Flash threads I brought up the point of "If people are complaining about every film being generic and people are getting tired by standard origin stories; then they shouldnt do Barry Allen". Wally West would be different and honestly probably has the most meat in his stories. Barry is mostly from the Silver Age where I feel the stories werent the same in terms of scale alot of the time. With Wally you have the Waid's run and the John's run two very great runs.

One hero I would really like to see but has a VERY generic origin is Green Arrow. But as I said he's basically Iron Man's origin... and personality... and money

I don't think Christopher Nolan should oversee ever DC film, nor does he need to. The lesson to take from the success of the Batman films is that they got a great director in Christopher Nolan, and let him make a Christopher Nolan movie. That's what they need to start doing more of. It's why my original top choice for Man of Steel was Darren Aronofsky, though I think Snyder should do fine. Get quality filmmakers onboard, and give them a bit of control to make movies they want to make rather than just ticking the boxes.

Exactly. Get quality talent. ANd that goes for directors and actors. Dont just get a generic actor either, there's so many good actors out there waiting to get discovered

 

[jmc]

I told you guys when they announced DCE that the only real way to know if things were different would be if they kept moving forward even after they failed. That was the staple of the old WB mindset. Failure equals inaction. If DCE is about exploiting the characters, then they'll have failures, like GL possibly. Marvel didn't just keep going with Iron Man after TIH failed.

Flash and/or Hawkman should be getting ready if this is a new dynamic.

But Marvel's reliant on superheroes, WB isn't, if there's opportunities elsewhere that aren't superhero based they're going to explore it, they've got other options outside of comic books.

 

[chiefchirpa]

But Marvel's reliant on superheroes, WB isn't, if there's opportunities elsewhere that aren't superhero based they're going to explore it, they've got other options outside of comic books.

The thing is putting non-superhero films like Constantine or V for Vendetta most likely will not make people recognize they're DC films. Then, the separate films have no chance to integrate on one another like the way they are in comics.

 

[jmc]

I'm talking about exploring options outside of comics all together, comics aren't the be all and end all, hell WB could develop some original franchises. People keep looking at WB as if they're the same as Marvel, they're two different studios with different methods of film making and different goals, Marvel is only concentrated on superheros and comics, WB aren't.

 

[Diamondhead]

Well, the reviews say The Green Lantern ended up not being as great as we hoped it be, what does this mean for Future DC Films, besides Batman?

Doom patrol or Kamandi last boy on earth,(or Rhianna last girl on earth,lol) this one is overdue,river phoenix died too soon and now brad pitt is too old.

 

[Diamondhead]

Don't forget that green lantern promotes a green planet free of polution and all
I hope they passed the massage well because sexiest man on earth sure did'nt
and i also hope that he conjured up a green behemoth like the hulk in the movie too.

 

[Anubis]

It's Hal Jordan. You're gonna get a fist. Maybe a shield, and probably a boxing glove.

 

[Octoberist]

I think it's about perseverance but boy, did they screw up Green Lantern.

To be fair, Green Lantern was built from the ground up by DCE. It was just the right project at the right time when it got greenlit, and after the fact, Thad when Geoff came in as producer. However it was just too late to fix the problems.

 

[psylockolussus]

They better not reboot Green Lantern because that would take a lot of time AGAIN!

 

[The Morningstar]

Hal Jordan isn't uninteresting if done properly. If you read everything following Rebirth he's a pretty cool character but yes he's a straight shooter for all intents and purposes.

Maybe a bit of an edge to him would be handy but it isn't needed to be honest.

What is Hal's main personality traits then?

He's just a cliche, cardboard cut out of a character. He just has the benefit of being involved in a cool mythology.

He's more like a cypher for the reader than an actual character.