Sequels Future villains for sequels

[psylockolussus]

Huh? X-Men and Fantastic Four are two separate properties. Yes they are both from the Marvel universe but in films they are separated. F4 isn't even a X-Men splinter or spin off.

 

[HIA]

I know, love, but that wasnt my point.

Fox is doing one comic book movie a year and 2 in 2017, so thats a clear evolution regarding this studio. Wether x-men fans are pleased with the agenda or not. But its an evolution, so I appreciate the little improvements they are doing

 

[Dasher10]

My point was that Fox can divide things up like this. Years that get the X-Men and Fantastic Four can also get a cheap Deadpool film. Then every other year, there's an X-Force and Wolverine film.

This is assuming that fantastic Four doesn't completely bomb and Fox doesn't sell the rights back, in which case, it'll just be Deadpool and X-Men one year, then X-Force and Wolverine the next.

Plus, if Fox does sell back the Fantastic Four, I bet that they can also throw an exclusive TV rights clause in there. If they don't, then both studios will probably collaborate on X-Men TV shows as long as they air on Fox networks and don't suck.

 

[HIA]

I agree that thats a good formula, and Im sure it will happen one day, maybe in 5 years, maybe in 7 or 10, but Im sure it will happen.

Sinister Six movie has just been confirmed for Nov. 2016. So Fox is the only studio left to announce a new proyect. My bet is they will announce it in 2 years, tho, lol.

 

[Super Jim]

For me it all depends on which group we're talking. I know this thread was likely started thinking strictly and solely about the X-Men, and not one of it's offshoots, but even then, with this movieverse, we have the original cast of characters and the "first class" of characters.

But again, it's all on which group, as follows:

X-Force/New Mutants: If they ever get around to expanding to this point, X-Force or the New Mutants seems like a great was to go. Even then it all depends on which incarnation we're talking about...

New Mutants: Let's start at the beginning. Say a New Mutants team in the 1990's (which would fit if Xavier brings Jean, Scott and Ororo together in 1983), or in the present timeline, which would allow supporting characters like Kitty, Colossus and Iceman to be instructors.

Some characters might be difficult due to what we've been given. For example, Sunspot (if you want to call him that) was shown (kind of) in the future in DOFP. Also, having Magik prior to Piotr is possible, but that relationship would need to be overlooked.

Anyway, the New Mutants would still be possible with great, unused characters, such as Cannonball, Cypher, Karma, Magma, Mirage, Boom Boom, Rictor, Wolfsbane, and Warlock.

So, which villain, if this was a strictly New Mutants story?

Selene would be perfect. Maybe an offshoot of the Nove Roma story. Maybe the Upstarts could be involved.

Another good option would be Warlock's story and the Phalanx. This story could end with both Cypher and Warlock dead, with Warlock's remains being sprinkled on the grave of Doug Ramsay. This could lead to Douglock.

X-Force Origins: Now they could start with the New Mutants (or at least a couple of them, like Boom Boom and Cannonball) and have them find themselves in some difficulty, at which point Cable, Domino and another (Shatterstar or Psylocke, for examples) would save them, and bring them together as the militant X-Force.

Emma Frost and the Hellions would be great, if Emma wasn't dead. Of course they could just play the "she made them think she was dead" card. This story could bring Trevor Fitzroy into the story, which would be interesting. And of course Fitzroy could lead into a story with the XSE and Bishop.

Of course any story with Cable as the leader could use Stryfe as the main villain. Just imagine the general audience's reaction when Stryfe's mask is removed. The Mutant Liberation Front could be included to expand on the villains. In addition, Deadpool could start off as a hired assassin, just as he was used in the comics.

Uncanny X-Force: Although I would prefer to see the New Mutants, or the X-Force Origins team (Liefeld's work), this is the team-up that most have speculated as to what we will get if (and that's a big IF) we ever do get an X-Force movie.

So if we had this line-up of Psylocke, Fantomex and Deadpool, etc., maybe the Apocalypse Solution could work. It's a very different storyline, and the main villain isn't really Apocalypse. Clan Akkaba and Ozymandias could be included. The idea of whether a child is guilty of his future sins is pretty intriguing.

X-Factor: Although I am not expecting to get an X-Factor movie anytime soon (if ever) the villains for this team should be different than what other teams would get.

Once again there are different incarnations of the team. To me there is the original X-Factor, which could be made up of some of the original cast, and the government group.

For the original X-Factor, in this movie-verse having some of the original members break-off likely wouldn't work, but the main stories would be Morlock Massacre and the Inferno story.

The Morlock Massace would be Mr. Sinister and the Marauders, though this story would make much more sense prior to an Apocalypse movie, Guess it could still be done after and could include Sabertooth and even Gambit.

The Inferno storyline would be ok, though the whole Limbo, N'astirh and S'ym villain pair would be tough to pull off. The Goblin Queen would look pretty good though.

Government X-Factor: I've always liked this version of X-Factor. It's a shame that it would be so tough in this movie-verse to bring Havok, Polaris, Strong Guy, Multiple Man, Forge, Wolfsbane and Quicksilver together, though I guess for most of them it would be possible. For me the difficulty is that Havok is the leader, which likely wouldn't work due to him being in the 1960's and 1970's timeline (unless that Havok was Uncle Havok - if you know what I mean)...

You've got to admit, Guido would be hillarious!

Anyway, Mr. Sinister and the Nasty Boys could work. The Mutant Liberation Front would also be a possibility with either Stryfe, or better yet, Reinfire as the leader. Maybe Cybur and Helle's Belles could work, but this one is iffy. Maybe Exodus and the Acolytes. Haven might work, but maybe she's too obscure for the GA.

ExCalibur: I'm not expecting this one ever, but if they were to take what I'm hoping will end up being a very popular Nightcrawler (after X-Men Apocalypse) and want to give him his own team, this would be the way to go. Not sure if this team could work without Kitty, but anyway, for Excalibur the best choices would be Arcade and the Crazy Gang, maybe, or Jammie Braddock would work, and of course, Ahab and the Hounds would make sense. Maybe Nimrod.

Then we have Wolverine:

We know they'll continue to make Wolvie movies, so who would be good?

Although I would have loved to have seen a good version of Lady Deadthstrike, I think that story is ruined. Same could be said for Ogun. Omega Red would be the next obvious choice. Cybur would be another interesting one.

X-Men: Some of the other options are:

Onslaught, the Brood (maybe that's too alien-ish), Nimrod, and Mojo (could introduce Longshot).

Here they are in order:

X-Men: Mr. Sinister and the Marauders - Mutant Massacre story
X-Factor Origins: Mr. Sinister and the Marauders - Mutant Massacre story
Wolverine: Omega Red
X-Force Origins: Emma Frost & the Hellions w/Fitzroy
X-Men: Onslaught
New Mutants: Phalanx
X-Factor: Mr. Sinister and the Nasty Boys
X-Factor: Stryfe and the Mutant Liberation Front
Government X-Force: Stryfe & the Mutant Liberation Front w/Deadpool
Government X-Factor: Reinfire and the Mutant Liberation Front
Government X-Factor: Exodus and the Acolytes
New Mutants: Selene & the Upstarts (Nove Roma)
X-Factor Origins: Limbo, N'astirh and S'ym (Inferno storyline)
Uncanny X-Force: Clan Akkaba and Ozymandias
ExCalibur: Ahab and the Hounds with Nimrod
X-Men: Mojo
X-Men: Brood
ExCalibur: Jammie Braddock
ExCalibur: Arcade and the Crazy Gang

So I guess what I want is:

#1. Mutant Massacre Story with Mister Sinister and the Marauders.
#2. Omega Red vs. Wolverine.
#3. X-Force (issue 100 cast) vs Emma Frost & the Hellions w/Fitzroy
#4. X-Men vs. Onslaught
#5. X-Men (or New Mutants) vs. Phalanx
#6. X-Men (or Government X-Factor or X-Force (issue 100 cast)) vs. Stryfe and the Mutant Liberation Front
#7. X-Men or Government X-Factor vs. Reinfire and the MLF
#8. X-Men or Government X-Factor vs. Exodus and the Alcolytes
#9. New Mutants vs. Selene and the Upstarts
#10. X-Factor Origins or X-Men in the Inferno storyline

 

[psylockolussus]

I know, love, but that wasnt my point.

Fox is doing one comic book movie a year and 2 in 2017, so thats a clear evolution regarding this studio. Wether x-men fans are pleased with the agenda or not. But its an evolution, so I appreciate the little improvements they are doing

So you were saying that they didn't release the Fantastic Four and X-Men movies before in the same year because they wanted to focus with the other comic book film first I don't believe that.

 

[HIA]

dont understand your comment at all

 

[psylockolussus]

dont understand your comment at all

Fox releasing a X-Men and F4 films in the same year is not testament of their evolution. Its just a coincidence imo.

Fox has to release a sequel anyway if the reboot turns out to be a success and just like before they are releasing the sequel two years after the 1st one. With wolverine 3, the gap is the same to the gap between W1 and W2. If they release the F4 sequel in 2018, there would still be a X Men film. Its not like they plan these films for these two properties to be released in the same year like as if the producers and production companies agreed to release those two films in the same year and before in different years.

 

[HIA]

nothing is a coincidence in the industry.

All people involved with Fox right now have said Fox has a different philosophy now and are thinking bigger.

Not only they are releasing now a Wolverine and FF sequel on the same year, but they advanced the released date of Apocalypse one year, to 2016, instead of 2017 (3 years after Dofp) like they have done since 2000.

So those are two changes already. Nothing of this is a coincidence, the studio clearly wants to do a bit more in less time, compared to the past. They are changing slower, definetly, but the fact is they are changing after all. And thats what matters.

 

[psylockolussus]

Huh? Apocalypse wasnt intended to be released in 2017.

 

[x-er]

Someone like Benedict Cumberbatch or Johnny Depp as Sinister. After all, they do cast good actors in this franchise.

 

[Dasher10]

Someone like Benedict Cumberbatch or Johnny Depp as Sinister. After all, they do cast good actors in this franchise.

What about Paddy Considine?

 

[x-er]

^ I've never heard of him. What is he good in?

 

[chamber-music]

Paddy Considine is awesome but I don't really see him as Mr Sinister.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I know its super jim wen I c a 8 paragraph response lol

 

[Super Jim]

^ Sorry bout that, but wasn't the information presented helpful? I should have like quadruple the quantity of posts since mine are often so long...

I believe I've given a detailed discussion for the best villains for every possible X-Men group at this point...

 

[ciscostudent561]

Your passion is definitely something I'm a fan of. Though I think you latch on to the comics a bit too much.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Thank you.

I'll agree, some times I focus on wanting the stories from the comics adapted, rather than have new stories, but not always.

I'm cool with some changes and spins, but the timeline is one of those things I want to make sense. For example, when they decided to have Havok back in the 60's and 70's they effectively killed the possibility of a Havok led X-Factor. When they turned Callisto into a speedster and changed her story they effectively killed the Morlock story (personally I'm hoping they still do the Morlocks, but maybe they can't use Callisto now, unfortunately). As far as Juggernaught, don't get me started! First, he wasn't even a mutant, and by making him one it kind of killed his story. I always felt that Cain Marko could have been a main villain in one of these movies.

How cool would it have been to show some Xavier history, including interactions with his brother, and then show Marko (Indiana Jones style) getting the Gem and transforming into the Juggernaught.

Anyway, isn't there a term for someone who would rather see the comics adapted, instead of warped? Again, I'm ok with some changes (like having Storm as one of the early members instead of say Iceman), but I'm not ok with changes that, IMO, butcher possibilities and characters...

 

[Dasher10]

^ Thank you.

I'll agree, some times I focus on wanting the stories from the comics adapted, rather than have new stories, but not always.

I'm cool with some changes and spins, but the timeline is one of those things I want to make sense. For example, when they decided to have Havok back in the 60's and 70's they effectively killed the possibility of a Havok led X-Factor. When they turned Callisto into a speedster and changed her story they effectively killed the Morlock story (personally I'm hoping they still do the Morlocks, but maybe they can't use Callisto now, unfortunately). As far as Juggernaught, don't get me started! First, he wasn't even a mutant, and by making him one it kind of killed his story. I always felt that Cain Marko could have been a main villain in one of these movies.

How cool would it have been to show some Xavier history, including interactions with his brother, and then show Marko (Indiana Jones style) getting the Gem and transforming into the Juggernaught.

Anyway, isn't there a term for someone who would rather see the comics adapted, instead of warped? Again, I'm ok with some changes (like having Storm as one of the early members instead of say Iceman), but I'm not ok with changes that, IMO, butcher possibilities and characters...

I don't see Juggernaut resurfacing in a main series film since DOFP and First Class were all about Xavier and Xavier is one of his two greatest foes. As far as Juggs OTHER arch enemy. I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Deadpool movie. And Ultimate Juggernaut was a mutant.

Instead of Havok leading X-Factor, what if it's led by Madrox, Polaris or Mystique? X-Factor can still absolutely be done just like Avengers was done without Spider-Man.

 

[ciscostudent561]

spider-man aint no avenger
marvel just made him one since its like their new "rights of passage group"
if it was back in the day when Avengers were second fiddle to the x-men, he'd never be a part.

plus its stupid and inconsistent. Spider-man is a street leveler. He has no where near the durability of Hulk Thor or Iron Man. He gets hit by one blow that can harm the aforementioned 3, and He's dead but whatever.

I feel the same way about deadpool going one on one with Juggs. Juggs can send him to jupiter with one punch. Go use ur healing powers there.

 

[x-er]

I've always wanted to see the Blob on the big screen. They haven't yet tried to push the Hollywood actor image. The weirdest looking mutants on the screen are still pretty attractive.

 

[Dasher10]

I've always wanted to see the Blob on the big screen. They haven't yet tried to push the Hollywood actor image. The weirdest looking mutants are still pretty attractive.

You're attracted to Doop and Beak?

 

[x-er]

^ Exactly my point!

(although what I mean is that except for Toad's brief cameo in DOFP, there aren't a lot of odd-looking mutants in the films. For example, we haven't seen Blob, the Morlocks, etc. And everyone looks quite appealing despite being covered in blue scales or fur in the films).

 

[Dasher10]

^ Exactly my point!

(although what I mean is that except for Toad's brief cameo in DOFP, there aren't a lot of odd-looking mutants in the films. For example, we haven't seen Blob, the Morlocks, etc. And everyone looks quite appealing despite being covered in blue scales or fur in the films).

Blob was in X-Men Origins although I'd like to forget that one ever happened.

 

[Dasher10]

It just hit me how Emma Frost and Banshee can fit into the new timeline.

1. We never saw the corpses

2. They can always be cloned since they were killed by the predecessor of Weapon X.

3. We never got the date that they died.

4. Siryn was present in the old timeline.

5. Emma Frost was somehow still in X-Men: Origins

6. Simon Kinberg said that certain characters may be born earlier.

So let's assume that Siryn was born in the early 70s. By the time we hit the 90s, she'll be in her 20s. Banshee could have died only around a year before DOFP.

Emma Frost can just be a clone. And so was Silverfox for that matter.

And as for where they'll wind up. Siryn will join X-Force as Deadpool's love interest.

Emma will join the X-Men as Xavier's headmistress for his school where she'll train the New Mutants after X-Force raids the Weapon X facility and the audience learns all about Deadpool and Domino's pasts, Psylocke injects herself with an experimental serum titled Crimson Dawn that enhances her powers, X-23 and Fantomex join X-Force and Mister Sinister and John Sublime sic the Ultomaton on X-Force.

Siryn would join in Deadpool 2. Since the leaked Deadpool script was based on The Circle Chase, the sequel would be a loose adaptation of Sins of the Past, then be part of the team in the early 2000s in X-Force 3.