Rise of the Silver Surfer GALACTUS Discussion

[chaseter]

Not getting what you want does not amount to screwing up the movie and there have been enough posts about Galactus only appearing to be the cloud and not being it to respond to your complaints. However, I undersatnd how important it is to get things off your chest (however irrational) and maybe after seeing it a couple of times things won't feel so bad after all

GALACTUS is coming...we just saw his calling card

Exactly, another rational poster among a sea of herrings.

 

[antariss]

By the way, to be clear, I wasn't calling you irrational Hiruu, just the passionate arguments that aren't completely accurate. You are entitled to your opinion, but Galactus being a cloud is NOT fact, I was told this by Story himself.

 

[Hiruu]

Well, we weren't going to get the Ultimate Nullifyer, so they had to figure something else out.

Here's a novice concept...commit to a third film, and but Galactus and the nullifier and the Uaama in that one. Fox sucks...bottomline, everything that corporation touches is suspect...don't get me wrong...I'm not saying the movie will sux, but fans of the source material will have a hard time swallowing that nonsense cloud. Look at Venom in Spider-Man...a major mod, but a least they kept the "soul" of the character.

 

[chaseter]

Here's a novice concept...commit to a third film, and but Galactus and the nullifier and the Uaama in that one. Fox sucks...bottomline, everything that corporation touches is suspect...don't get me wrong...I'm not saying the movie will sux, but fans of the source material will have a hard time swallowing that nonsense cloud. Look at Venom in Spider-Man...a major mod, but a least they kept the "soul" of the character.

It would be the same had they only had the symbiote in SM3. It would signify what is to come...just like the cloud and the big shadow does.

 

[Saint]

C'mon dude, cut the guy some slack, he made the movie he wanted to make and is not obligated to bring any of our dream comic translations to life but to serve the script and his resources.tastes.

That's where you're wrong: if Story wanted to make his own original film with a planet eating cloud, he should have done exactly that: made an original film, and not called it Fantastic Four. When you decide to adapt a comic, you have obligations to the material whether you like it our not.

But I suppose not everybody can have the integrity of Thomas Jane, who left Punisher 2 when it became evident the film would not be what it was supposed to be.

 

[wobbly]

I see a few posts here mentioning that regular movie goers won't know one way or another (and therefore not care) about how Galactus is changed for this film.

This is true.

This is also missing the point: There are plenty of things films change in adaptations that the audiences would be none the wiser about, that still doesn't mean we fans are not right to think they get that change wrong, and on occasions get it wrong big time (usually the bigger the change, the worse the result is, ala Doom in the first film)

So imo ,audience ignorance of the books is not a justifiable reason for any studio to take a dump all over Lee & Kirby's work.

 

[Hiruu]

Not getting what you want does not amount to screwing up the movie and there have been enough posts about Galactus only appearing to be the cloud and not being it to respond to your complaints. However, I undersatnd how important it is to get things off your chest (however irrational) and maybe after seeing it a couple of times things won't feel so bad after all

GALACTUS is coming...we just saw his calling card

So, I'm irrational because I'm concern that Fox and team will butcher the Galactus character? Okayee-Dokee, if you say.

 

[GhostPoet]

I'm mixed on the whole Galactus issue...on one hand, I wish they would have stuck closer to the source material, since they tried to in other parts...but on the other hand, I think the cloud DOES really look pretty cool when the Surfer is flying through it.

It doesn't stop me from enjoying the movie...and I loved the first one.

 

[Saint]

I see a few posts here mentioning that regular movie goers won't know one way or another (and therefore not care) about how Galactus is changed for this film.

This is true.

This is also missing the point: There are plenty of things films change in adaptations that the audiences would be none the wiser about, that still doesn't mean we fans are not right to think they get that change wrong, and on occasions get it wrong big time (usually the bigger the change, the worse the result is, ala Doom in the first film)

So imo ,audience ignorance of the books is not a justifiable reason for any studio to take a dump all over Lee & Kirby's work.

Indeed: the truth is that the "general audience" won't care either way, and if they don't care there's no reason he shouldn't be the real Galactus.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well I guess I'm the only over-30-something diehard fanboy here (that's been collecting FF since 1981) that isn't terribly upset about this cosmic alien phenomena take on Galactus. I always thought a big purple guy would translate poorly to the big screen and I'd rather have this creative liberty taken than hearing mainstream moviegoers and critics mock Galen in his true form.

Then again, I haven't seen it yet so I refuse to get bent out of shape over it either.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I guess nobody was reading our discussion I guess people will complain no matter what...even if they don't know the full story behind it just yet. A child could deduce what we did, with the help of SHH! for confirmation of course

Well, it wasn't until I heard certain things being in the movie and the cloud not speaking that I decided to back off of Galactus, but yeah people will complain no matter what. The Ultimate Nullifyer was never going to see film (I don't care what studio), so they had to find another way to get Galactus to go.

A taste of Galactus is fine. It leaves us something to look forward to in the SS movie (I doubt this story will go any further in a FF film).

 

[antariss]

So, I'm irrational because I'm concern that Fox and team will butcher the Galactus character? Okayee-Dokee, if you say.

Did you see my latest post?

 

[Hiruu]

It would be the same had they only had the symbiote in SM3. It would signify what is to come...just like the cloud and the big shadow does.

Don't get me wrong, they should have could have left "Venom" out of the film, and instead saved it for a 4th film, but Raimi and crew probably felt some heat to get the character out there from "fans". WRT to this film, it would have been MORe than enough for fans and the movie going public, if they had corrected some of the flaws in Doom, and really delivered on Surfer (which seems to be the case). They greedily reached to include Galactus, and it jsut can't be done in 96 mins, or however long a time limit Fox gives to directors and editor to get the film's length to. It is my "irrational and unsubtantiated" belief that Fox mandates a running time limit to directors. The one expection was X2, but they went right back to if for X3, as with every other comic based film.

An explanation of why, for those who live in a "pie-in-the-sky" existence, it due to their greedy a$$ wanting to get more showing and providing a buffer for 2-hr allows the theaters to get in an extra, if not 2 showings. Since studios take a lion's share of the 1st weeks gross...guess what...more money for greedy Fox, as they don't really give a crap about legs in the film. It's shallow, but that's why I'm hoping Marvel makes it's film more like Sony, and not like Fox.

 

[Hiruu]

Well I guess I'm the only over-30-something diehard fanboy here (that's been collecting FF since 1981) that isn't terribly upset about this cosmic alien phenomena take on Galactus. I always thought a big purple guy would translate poorly to the big screen and I'd rather have this creative liberty taken than hearing mainstream moviegoers and critics mock Galen in his true form.

Then again, I haven't seen it yet so I refuse to get bent out of shape over it either.

You're right Lightning, we've yet to see it, and I'll reserve final judgement on the "FILM", but I can't imagine messing with Galactus form as a Huge humaniod working out...imho. I'll try to capture the sensation of not seeing Galactus in his TRUE form...remember the tingle you felt in Spider-Man, when he first don the outfit and when swinging, or the aircraft scene in Superman (btw, the only scene i love in that "masterpiece")...I was kinda looking for that feeling when FF and the world FULLY understand that Surfer was only the tip of the iceberg...I just don't see that being the case with a cloud.

 

[Hiruu]

Did you see my latest post?

Kk...I hope not. I placed alot of faith in Story, and would hate to see a "cool guy" not get it. The guy is a comic guy, like many of us 30-somethings, comics was our Xbox and PS...it just sometimes stinks when the clowns who didn't like comics, and might be decision-making positions not get it. If Galactus remains a mystery, I can accept that...I can't accept a cloud...sry, but I'm irrational like that...

 

[antariss]

That's where you're wrong: if Story wanted to make his own original film with a planet eating cloud, he should have done exactly that: made an original film, and not called it Fantastic Four. When you decide to adapt a comic, you have obligations to the material whether you like it our not.

But I suppose not everybody can have the integrity of Thomas Jane, who left Punisher 2 when it became evident the film would not be what it was supposed to be.

Come on, Thomas Jane's integrity?!!! Are you sure he didn't just wantto make sure he still had a career in Hollywood after the crap that was The Punisher? If he was that integrous by your reasoning then he would not have starred in the first film period.t:

Sorry. Can't see where I am wrong, filmmakers make films they want to make not just for die hard fans, its called the movie business. A generation grew up watching Cecil B Demilles the Ten Commandments thinking it was a faithful adaptation of the Bible.lol. My point is that alll filmmaking is interpretation and creative by nature, we argue on this board that the comittee mentality of the studios stifles creativity but what we really mean is that we want to replace the studios in telling the filmmaker what he should be doing and how to intepret the material. Also, the logic doesn't stack up- why should there be more fiathfulness to comic books than any other source material like novels and tv shows or dare i say the Bible itself?

This one issue of contention (cloudactus) should disqualify Tim Story from making this movie? Are you being serious? If you boycotted the movie I'd understand as you'll probably hate some other things too.

ps - There saving classic Galactus for the next movie.

 

[Docker2.0]

Well I guess I'm the only over-30-something diehard fanboy here (that's been collecting FF since 1981) that isn't terribly upset about this cosmic alien phenomena take on Galactus. I always thought a big purple guy would translate poorly to the big screen and I'd rather have this creative liberty taken than hearing mainstream moviegoers and critics mock Galen in his true form.

Then again, I haven't seen it yet so I refuse to get bent out of shape over it either.

No you are not. I'm doing the same but I just gave up(for now) debating with geeky fanboys who complain about everything. I haven't seen the movie yet but I'm going in with a open mind, not upset becuase they delayed the entire appearance of Galactus. I'm going to enjoy the film for what it's worth. Galactus is in humanoid form but won't be seen in all his form til the SS's own film.

 

[Docker2.0]

Come on, Thomas Jane's integrity?!!! Are you sure he didn't just wantto make sure he still had a career in Hollywood after the crap that was The Punisher? If he was that integrous by your reasoning then he would not have starred in the first film period.t:

Sorry. Can't see where I am wrong, filmmakers make films they want to make not just for die hard fans, its called the movie business. A generation grew up watching Cecil B Demilles the Ten Commandments thinking it was a faithful adaptation of the Bible.lol. My point is that alll filmmaking is interpretation and creative by nature, we argue on this board that the comittee mentality of the studios stifles creativity but what we really mean is that we want to replace the studios in telling the filmmaker what he should be doing and how to intepret the material. Also, the logic doesn't stack up- why should there be more fiathfulness to comic books than any other source material like novels and tv shows or dare i say the Bible itself?

This one issue of contention (cloudactus) should disqualify Tim Story from making this movie? Are you being serious? If you boycotted the movie I'd understand as you'll probably hate some other things too.

ps - There saving classic Galactus for the next movie.

He shoots, he scores! Finally someone who understands the business of it!

 

[antariss]

He shoots, he scores! Finally someone who understands the business of it!

Thanks Dude

 

[ultimatefan]

I don´t give a rat´s ass if Galactus is gonna show up in some Silver Surfer origin spin-off... The FF facing Galactus is one of the great Marvel sagas, he HAD to be there. It´s a ridiculous compromise that´s only explained by the studio being cheap, which is unacceptable, given how popular these characters are. I have proven time and time again I´m NOT a "whiney fanboy" and I can well live with elements of the comics being updated, summed up, combined, etc. But if you´re gonna show FF against Galactus on the big screen, GIVE IT THE TREATMENT IT DESERVES OR JUST DON´T DO IT!! I refuse to be "fine" with it and I see no reason why ANY red-blooded FF fan should be.

 

[berkots]

Well I guess I'm the only over-30-something diehard fanboy here (that's been collecting FF since 1981) that isn't terribly upset about this cosmic alien phenomena take on Galactus. I always thought a big purple guy would translate poorly to the big screen and I'd rather have this creative liberty taken than hearing mainstream moviegoers and critics mock Galen in his true form.

Then again, I haven't seen it yet so I refuse to get bent out of shape over it either.

I was collecting FF since the 80s too, I'm 29, and ya its a little pathetic maybe that i'm crying like a baby about this, but i just don't understand why they couldn't show the real Galactus, even for a few seconds. And I agree, a big purple thing would look silly, but OK, change the colors! Make him look like UA Galactus, or those pics that someone was posting a couple pages back, there would be nothing silly about that and IMO would look pretty bad a$$ on the big screen...better than a cloud with some swirling funnels coming out of it....I just think there are a million of other things they couldve done to make it more believable than what we are going to get.

 

[berkots]

I don´t give a rat´s ass if Galactus is gonna show up in some Silver Surfer origin spin-off... The FF facing Galactus is one of the great Marvel sagas, he HAD to be there. It´s a ridiculous compromise that´s only explained by the studio being cheap, which is unacceptable, given how popular these characters are. I have proven time and time again I´m NOT a "whiney fanboy" and I can well live with elements of the comics being updated, summed up, combined, etc. But if you´re gonna show FF against Galactus on the big screen, GIVE IT THE TREATMENT IT DESERVES!! I refuse to be "fine" with it and I see no reason why ANY red-blooded FF fan should be.

Agreed....whole-heartedly

 

[Kelly]

I don´t give a rat´s ass if Galactus is gonna show up in some Silver Surfer origin spin-off... The FF facing Galactus is one of the great Marvel sagas, he HAD to be there. It´s a ridiculous compromise that´s only explained by the studio being cheap, which is unacceptable, given how popular these characters are. I have proven time and time again I´m NOT a "whiney fanboy" and I can well live with elements of the comics being updated, summed up, combined, etc. But if you´re gonna show FF against Galactus on the big screen, GIVE IT THE TREATMENT IT DESERVES OR JUST DON´T DO IT!! I refuse to be "fine" with it and I see no reason why ANY red-blooded FF fan should be.

A good scotch will take care of that.....

 

[ultimatefan]

A good scotch will take care of that.....

Nah, my lady is my "comfort drug" of choice... t:

 

[Saint]

Sorry. Can't see where I am wrong, filmmakers make films they want to make

And they are welcome to. The film Pitof wanted to make was not a Catwoman film. Therefore, he should have gone off and made his film independent of the Catwoman franchise. He would have made the film he wanted to make, and fans may have gotten a real Catwoman film from someone else.

Similarly, Tim Story apparently wanted to make a film with a planet-eating cloud. More power to him. He should have gone off and made his Cloudactus movie elsewhere, rather than ruining an established character.