Gravity

[Evil Twin]

Dude, I just posted the SUMMARY of the film -- beat for beat, moment for moment from the script -- it's just a longer version of the trailer.

That? Outside of pretty images does absolutely nothing for me. The thing is from the summary online from the script -- the trailer is marketing EXACTLY what it is.

A film is more than it's plot. Character, images, themes, acting, dialogue, editing, music, special effect, etc. are as much, if not more, of what makes a film.

It's ok to say that you're not interested in what you see so far. However, reducing the film to the skeleton of its plot isn't convincing anyone of your opinion because it doesn't deal with a good chunk of what makes film work.

The Avengers has nothing much of a plot, for example. They stand around and argue for much of the film, then they team up at the end for a big finale. Ho hum.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Um, yeah, so until the film comes out you don't have any real reason to think he isn't capable of turning a seemingly simplistic outline it to something riveting are you?

Visually, as I said from the beginning, there is something. But outside of pretty pictures? I see absolutely nothing and a weak script

Spoiler

How many times do they have to hop from shuttle to shuttle while avoiding an increasing amount of debris? Literally nothing new seems to happen after a while.

It's ok to say that you're not interested in what you see so far. However, reducing the film to the skeleton of its plot isn't convincing anyone of your opinion because it doesn't deal with a good chunk of what makes film work.

The funniest thing about this whole thing is I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm just replying and stating my own views.

Has no one seen the part where I quite blatantly said you are open to liking it? Also ironically I'm the only one to say that.

Or are people just ignoring that part?

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

It's possible they've made changes to the script since then.

 

[Ultimatehero]

It's possible they've made changes to the script since then.

It wouldn't be anything too major. It's an exact representation of what they're marketing.

 

[Evil Twin]

If you can't discuss a film without resorting to spoilers, you're going about it wrong. I'm not reading your spoiler text.

Let's say it is utterly straightforward. The voyage from the Earth to the Moon in 2001 is straightforward. It's also unforgettable visual poetry. The director of Children of Men deserves the chance to wow us with his visuals.

You want to say you're not interested based on the trailer, nobody is going to argue with you. You want to say that everybody else is wrong for liking the trailer and that you know better that there's nothing there, even though you haven't seen the movie, well expect that argument to be exposed for the weak foundation it's based on. You may say, you haven't done that, I say the lady doth protest too much.

 

[jmc]

Visually, as I said from the beginning, there is something. But outside of pretty pictures? I see absolutely nothing and a weak script

Spoiler

How many times do they have to hop from shuttle to shuttle while avoiding an increasing amount of debris? Literally nothing new seems to happen after a while.

I have no idea how you've come to that conclusion over 2 mins worth of footage, but hey if you wanna go into the movie already thinking it's going to suck then that's your loss, you've corrupted your opinion of the movie ahead of time which is frankly sad.

 

[Ultimatehero]

If you can't discuss a film without resorting to spoilers, you're going about it wrong. I'm not reading your spoiler text.

Let's say it is utterly straightforward. The voyage from the Earth to the Moon in 2001 is straightforward. It's also unforgettable visual poetry. The director of Children of Men deserves the chance to wow us with his visuals.

You want to say you're not interested based on the trailer, nobody is going to argue with you. You want to say that everybody else is wrong for liking the trailer and that you know better that there's nothing there, even though you haven't seen the movie, well expect that argument to be exposed for the weak foundation it's based on. You may say, you haven't done that, I say the lady doth protest too much.

With that said, I find and can admit to 2001 being boring for me. I love the interactions with Hal and the complications with Hal. But, that's about it.

Point out where I said this o' smart one. I never did. You did. You and everyone here can easily see me saying "you're open to liking it," but never will you see me saying the other person is wrong for liking it - just I don't like it and I explained why. As said, try to find what you are claiming and all you'll find is me saying "you're open to liking it." What's up with all your false claims?

 

[Evil Twin]

FWIW, I think expecting a movie to have a complex plot and to spend a lot of time on jaw dropping visuals is kind of having your cake and eating it too. I don't know how you have a 17 minute tracking shot AND make some kind of complex plot happenings go on at the same time.

I'd suggest that the plot is simple because Cuaron wants to create a visual experience first and foremost where there is room for these visual indulgences.

 

[Ultimatehero]

I have no idea how you've come to that conclusion over 2 mins worth of footage, but hey if you wanna go into the movie already thinking it's going to suck then that's your loss, you've corrupted your opinion of the movie ahead of time which is frankly sad.

No. Just you like what you see. I like the visuals of what I see -- but it has no emotional weight or baring on me and from the script synopsis it's going to be the same thing. I can form my opinion just like you can form yours. I find it sad that you think everyone has to immediately like what you like. You're looking forward to it, I'm not. And you're just as open to looking forward to it, as I am not looking forward to it. It's really quite that simple.

FWIW, I think expecting a movie to have a complex plot and to spend a lot of time on jaw dropping visuals is kind of having your cake and eating it too. I don't know how you have a 17 minute tracking shot AND make some kind of complex plot happenings go on at the same time.

I'd suggest that the plot is simple because Cuaron wants to create a visual experience first and foremost where there is room for these visual indulgences.

I see you ignored the false claims part...

And to the other part -- visual poetry is your thing, and hey you are open to liking visual poetry. Whereas I'm a story and characters and script man myself and just as open to not being one for 'visual poetry' and only really liking it when it's in service of the story not the story being in service of the visuals. That's where we differ. And hey, people differ.

 

[Evil Twin]

Lack of imagination. lol.

Anxiety and shock are the only emotions that this trailer tries so obviously and desperately attempts to elicit.

I would suggest awe and majesty are things the trailers have been going for as well. You don't set a movie hundreds of miles above Earth without bringing those things into play.

 

[jmc]

No. Just you like what you see. I like the visuals of what I see -- but it has no emotional weight or baring on me and from the script synopsis it's going to be the same thing. I can form my opinion just like you can form yours. I find it sad that you think everyone has to immediately like what you like. You're looking forward to it, I'm not. And you're just as open to looking forward to it, as I am not looking forward to it. It's really quite that simple.

My opinion is based not only on the trailer but on the directors past work, which is something you seem to be overlooking. If people don't like the trailer then fine, I've got no problems with that, if it's not their cup of tea to sit through 2 hours of people floating in space then it's not their cup of tea. But you're dismissing the film based on it looking like it's script is weak, something you absolutely cannot have an informed opinion about given you haven't see the final work. So, yeah, if you're already thinking that ahead of time your opinion of the film is already corrupted - and that is sad.

 

[Ultimatehero]

My opinion is based not only on the trailer but on the directors past work, which is something you seem to be overlooking. If people don't like the trailer then fine, I've got no problems with that, if it's not their cup of tea to sit through 2 hours of people floating in space then it's not their cup of tea. But you're dismissing the film based on it looking like it's script is weak, something you absolutely cannot have an informed opinion about given you haven't see the final work. So, yeah, if you're already thinking that ahead of time your opinion of the film is already corrupted - and that is sad.

Did you even read the synopsis posts back? It's extremely repetitive. And yes, just from hearing of the script you can form an opinion. It's my primary responsibility to be able to be a fast judge on these things and if that was a two minute pitch? I would have lost interest and said it sounded weak. On the same hand another person might hear that same pitch and fall in love with it. And hey, you are open to reading that and forming your own opinion on it as well. But to me, as said, it sounds weak. I wouldn't acquire it, someone else would or might though.

 

[jmc]

Did you even read the synopsis? It's extremely repetitive. And yes, just from hearing of the script you can form an opinion. It's my primary responsibility to be able to be a fast judge on these things and if that was a two minute pitch? I would have lost interest and said it sounded weak. And hey, you are open to reading that and forming your own opinion on it as well. But to me, as said, it sounds weak.

Yes I read the synopsis, I don't have an issue with it because - surprise, surprise - I haven't seen the bloody movie. And again you're forgetting who is directing this bloody movie. Are you not taking that into account?

 

[Ultimatehero]

Yes I read the synopsis, I don't have an issue with it because - surprise, surprise - I haven't seen the bloody movie. And again you're forgetting who is directing this bloody movie. Are you not taking that into account?

I'm taking into account that NO DIRECTOR has 100% success rate. Hell, there are Spielberg movies that I don't like even and he's my favorite director. Name doesn't say everything.

Well, hey, you're open to that but that's not how my mind works. As said it's my primary responsibility to know from a two minute, five minute pitch, script, if I'd pass on it or send it up the ladder. Seeing that two minute pitch? I wouldn't have acquired it. That doesn't mean no one would. I just wouldn't. That's how my mind works because that's how it's been trained to work. And don't read anything more than need be into that final sentence, that's just saying something about how I function. To me, while open to visuals, it just comes off as too repetitive that I wouldn't go for it.

 

[jmc]

Right, lets just stick with sequels and reboots and franchises then.

 

[Evil Twin]

I see you ignored the false claims part...

I started typing my post before reading your response, oh defensive one.

I'll start out by saying that I don't think anyone who is captivated by the trailer cares that the plot is simple. Harping on it isn't convincing anyone. People like the visuals, they like the director, they like the premise, they may even like the actors, and the plot really doesn't come into play. The trailer never sells a complicated plot only a straight forward premise, astronauts stranded in space (played by big name actors) have their work cut out to survive, and the visuals. You're arguing, strongly, about something nobody really seems to be clamoring for. Nobody is asking for a second act reveal that the debris is caused by aliens. Or Khan.

That said, if you think this has gotten out of hand, then I'm willing to step back and say mea culpa for my part. The trailer doesn't do much for you, ok. I think it's looks very promising.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Right, lets just stick with sequels and reboots and franchises then.

That's leaping the shark a thousand times. I never said that. I'm all for original projects and wish there were more of them. Just, I wish they were more like Transcendence which is seriously going to rock everyone's world, or I believe so, in both a very strong script with very strong characters and exciting visuals. I've read it and I can say without a doubt that it is the best original script I've read in a long time.

ADDING: To Evil_Twin, if you look - I'm just replying and I'm seriously hoping it ends here so that I can stop replying, quite frankly getting bored lol.

 

[The Guard]

Finally watched the latest clip. I don't really understand why people are thrilled about this film thus far. Maybe it's the space/dinosaur effect.

"Wow! Space! This is awesome!"

The concept is simple, which isn't a bad thing necessarily, but certainly isn't brilliant either, and the visuals kind of look like every other modern space film I've seen. Since space looks like space. The effects are certainly solid. I've certainly seen nothing to suggest that there's anything groundbreaking at play here. Bullock and Clooney aren't exactly inspired casting for these two roles.

They're marketing this as a survival film of sorts. I would imagine this is going to be like a lot of other survival films...the person in peril, alone, going through various stages of grief/acceptance, etc.

APOLLO 13 on a smaller scale, perhaps?

It could be a good movie. I've seen nothing to suggest its incredible.

I hope there are aliens, too.

"Anyone".

In space, aliens can hear you scream.

 

[jmc]

That's leaping the shark a thousand times. I never said that.

No, but if you'd be willing to overlook a rather unique premise from a fantastic director then frankly you're contributing to the problem.

 

[Ultimatehero]

No, but if you'd be willing to overlook an rather unique premise from a fantastic director then frankly you're contributing to the problem.

Not at all. Nobody has to like everything just because it's 'original.' And believe me, if I liked everything just because it was 'original' no one in the industry would take me seriously because trust me - there's a heck of a lot of original scripts out there, they're just not very good. And typically the best scripts out there ARE the ones that get to the screen.

 

[jmc]

Not at all. Nobody has to like everything just because it's 'original.'

Lot safer just to go with superheroes and named brands huh? Oh how I love Hollywood these days.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Lot safer just to go with superheroes and named brands huh? Oh how I love Hollywood these days.

Once again. I never said that. What is up with people and their lack of reading comprehension?

I quite clearly stated that there should be more original films like TRANSCENDENCE which has an amazing script and amazing visuals. Two in one.

And if I was to pass along scripts to executives and vice presidents because it was just 'original' - I'd be slammed out of a job. Go for original, but original has to be good.

 

[Evil Twin]

Let me say, the seemingly repetitive nature of the script, going from point a to point b, point b to point c, etc. may only be an issue if it's filmed in the exact same way. Without knowing what Cuaron's visual strategy is, I think it's premature to say that it will play that way.

I can just as easily say that Raiders of the Lost Ark is repetitive, being nothing but chases and fights, over and over, with the keys to finding the Ark and the Ark changing hands a couple of times in the process.

Yeah, if Cuaron films the scenes in the exact same way, I can see it running out of steam halfway through as the novelty wears off. But, if he's got some real tricks buried up his sleeve, we might have a real visual treat on store.

 

[jmc]

What ever, **** on the film all you want.

 

[Ultimatehero]

You're a visual guy - I'm a narrative and character guy and Indiana Jones had a much better narrative than this does. And at this point we're just going to run around in circles due to that divide difference. Also it isn't really the simplicity of it, it's more the continuous repetition in it that irks me.

JMC I will, but in reality - all I'm doing is replying.

Now, hopefully, this is the end so I can stop replying because quite frankly I'm tired. As to why I reply - I don't know - obsessive compulsive thing of believing everyone deserves a reply to make sure they can see I'm not ignoring it.