Great show, but still a ripoff of 4400...

[GNR]

- For the most part, they all show up around the same time
- Evil corporation bent on "controlling" or eliminating those with abilities
- One real bad villain that's seemingly more powerful than all others
- All are "linked" in some way
- Let's not even start on the special "inhibitors" both shows talk about
- Attempted suicide by casting one's self off a building, but being unable to die due to an ability
- Many other similarities in scenes between the two shows, in order to demonstrate abilities

They've put an interesting spin on it, and some abilities are pretty unique to the show (melting appliances, for example, and no one flies in 4400 that I've seen), but all in all it's a copycat of 4400, probably with slightly better acting, not to mention support from people like Stan Lee and some pretty significant actors.

Like I said - great show, great idea, just not too original in terms of a television series. I just watched all 18 episodes to catch up and this'll be a regular part of my Monday evenings come April 23rd. Hopefully, they can part ways with the 4400 and move in a different direction that makes it seem like less of a ... clone.

oh shut up

 

[Corinthian™]

Ah, another jab based upon nothing more than your disagreeing with me politically. Thanks, thanks for the display of arrogance and intolerance.

As to the topic at hand, I'm not talking about stories and/or comics that haven't been adapted to mainstream television, k?

actually, at least in this forum, I really couldn't care less about a person's politics, if you check around, I've had some really nice conversations with more than a couple of people with whom I've clashed (politically) before, but that regardless we share a common taste for Heroes, so save the whole "intolerance and arrogance for your next thread, you already used a lot in this one's topic

and one more thing, The Tomorrow People was a british show from the 70's which had pretty much the same premise, but handled differently, and Misfits Of Science was an american 80's show with guess what? yup, basically the same premise... and the added bonus of Courtney Cox

so yes, the whole "super powered normal people" has been done many times already on tv, cinema, liitarature, comics (duh) and pretty much any medium you could think of, it's the delivery of this one what really counts

and like I said on my previous post: There is one one lazur accept no substitutes

 

[PLAS]

the post above was made by me, I forgot to log my brother's account

 

[lazur]

actually, at least in this forum, I really couldn't care less about a person's politics, if you check around, I've had some really nice conversations with more than a couple of people with whom I've clashed (politically) before, but that regardless we share a common taste for Heroes, so save the whole "intolerance and arrogance for your next thread, you already used a lot in this one's topic

and one more thing, The Tomorrow People was a british show from the 70's which had pretty much the same premise, but handled differently, and Misfits Of Science was an american 80's show with guess what? yup, basically the same premise... and the added bonus of Courtney Cox

so yes, the whole "super powered normal people" has been done many times already on tv, cinema, liitarature, comics (duh) and pretty much any medium you could think of, it's the delivery of this one what really counts

and like I said on my previous post: There is one one lazur accept no substitutes

Never caught the British show from the 70's for obvious reasons. Also never saw Misfits of Science, but from reading about it on IMDB, it's not comparable imo. A couple of "freaks" doesn't equal a worldwide phenomenon. Using that logic, one could say that every super hero is just a reincarnation of a super hero that came before it. Heroes is much more like 4400 than it is Misfits of Science or The Tomorrow People.

But I do agree that Heroes is borrowing more from X-Men than 4400, even if my point really is that Heroes, like 4400, comes to us in the form of a television series with recurring and unique characters that have "special" abilities.

 

[PLAS]

Never caught the British show from the 70's for obvious reasons. Also never saw Misfits of Science, but from reading about it on IMDB, it's not comparable imo. A couple of "freaks" doesn't equal a worldwide phenomenon. Using that logic, one could say that every super hero is just a reincarnation of a super hero that came before it. Heroes is much more like 4400 than it is Misfits of Science or The Tomorrow People.

But I do agree that Heroes is borrowing more from X-Men than 4400, even if my point really is that Heroes, like 4400, comes to us in the form of a television series with recurring and unique characters that have "special" abilities.

then why say "ripoff"?

 

[lazur]

then why say "ripoff"?

Poor choice of words? I know, I know, I should be perfect, sorry!

 

[Miss Invisible]

Who cares though, really? I mean, there's really no such thing as an original idea these days anymore. Everything's been done somewhere. So what if the basic concept has been used before, it's the characters and the stories that make it interesting.

Besides, the way it handles it is quite unique. 4400 may have people with powers, but they're a lot less flashy then most of the Heroes' powers, at least from back when i watched the show. Heroes manages to take superheroes, and place them in the real world. They dont have costumes or silly names, but they're still superheroes.

Very good point. Everything's inspired by something else. Every idea comes from another idea. There's nothing anymore that is completely and totally origional. But it's the way an idea is carried out that makes it so unique. And while I love 4400, I think Heroes has been carried out much better. And I don't really see very many similarities between the two anyway. X-Men would be the more likely rip-off, though both have still been carried out in two completely different (and awesome) ways.

 

[hippy fascist]

A few quick points

1. The heroes were not all activated at the same point (see claude, sylar, haitian etc). The eclipse simply acted as a marker for the point where powered individuals were rising in number.

2. The heroes all had inate abilities unlike with the 4400 where I'm guessing (haven't seen many episodes of this show) It's the result of some kind of tampering

3. The evil corporation thing? Can you say Supreme Power? (Not the best example but it came out a few years before 4400 so it fits)

4. The one villain more powerful than everyone else thing? Oldest trick in the book. The villain will usually be more powerful than his counterpart in order to increase drama and actually give the hero something to overcome...it's called a plot device.

Seriously kid, get a clue. If you were going to say heroes is a rip off anything it's this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Stars

Seriously man, rather than just expressing an opinion you've heard someone else say try thinking before you post. Then you might actually appear as someone with more than a third of a brain

 

[xphoenix_forcex]

Well , i have a very open mind to ideas and concepts when it comes to this new series but i find that over and over agiain the show is using things directly from other series and calling it their own - and leading everyone to believe this new show is something other than a rip off. Now this is my opinion, i love the show in fact, but i cant help but be bothered everytime i hear someone talking about how much better it is than say, X-MEN. In all actuality, it is X-MEN that HEROES ripps off to the greatest extent, lets take a look how!
There are the more obvious examples which are also more general:
- clair, she has a healing ability that is extremely close to wolverines.
- Peter, he is the male rogue, although he can touch people he steals their powers unwillingly and cannot control them completely..just like our favourite southern gal
- Isacc, a mutant who is part of the Humanities last stand, whos powes are the exact same, painting the future of the x-men howveer rather than the heroes
-Nathan, whos powers resemble angel without the wings, they basically are the same character, the political man with all the money behind him, who can fly.
-The shapeshifter girl working with Clairs father- screams mystique from everything from her powers to her manor to her line of work even
-Jessica- basically the fight between phoenix and jean grey without the world devouring powers... isnt it obivous
-Jessicas husband- kitty pride plain and simple.

Do you guys see this?
Further more it runs into plot aswell, where the copying is even more obviious , i only need to give one example to make my point.
In the episode where the radioactive guy is let loose in the house and his power gets out of his control, clair being the only one who could stop him, was i the only one who felt like i was watching the climactic ending of Xmen 3????? i mean come on guys,, they just replaces jean grey with a middle aged man, and wolverine with an teenage girl. There was absolutely no difference, For god sakes just as jean earlier in the movie he was destroying a house, this is ridiculous. Clair wanted to save her father wolverine wanted to save jean and the xmen, she knew she was the only one he knew he was the only one. Jean was angry because she had been tampered with, radioactive man was angry for thinking* hed been tamprered with, and they both had lost their partners to add to their anger... really . the creators of heroes need to come up with something completely original..
i mean just a few episodes ago saresh spoke of a cure to syler.. a CURE for god sakes!!!.
maybe next week we will see a middle aged african american woman who can shoot lightning from the sky and create tornadoes! or they might make her white and call it orignal, considering what we've gotten so far id say thats the best bet
any one else see this?????????????????????????????????

 

[hippy fascist]

Ok, let's play a little game of get a clue as to what you're talking about

Well , i have a very open mind to ideas and concepts when it comes to this new series but i find that over and over agiain the show is using things directly from other series and calling it their own - and leading everyone to believe this new show is something other than a rip off. Now this is my opinion, i love the show in fact, but i cant help but be bothered everytime i hear someone talking about how much better it is than say, X-MEN. In all actuality, it is X-MEN that HEROES ripps off to the greatest extent, lets take a look how!
There are the more obvious examples which are also more general:


- claire, she has a healing ability that is extremely close to wolverines.

So how exactly do you want her to heal. A mass of magic bandages shooting out of her ass and covering her body? A healing ability is fairly standard fare. Is she any good in a fight? No, does she have an adamantium skeleton and claws? No, is she a fuzzy canadian midget? No.

- Peter, he is the male rogue, although he can touch people he steals their powers unwillingly and cannot control them completely..just like our favourite southern gal

Actually if peter's a rip-off of anyone it's mimic. he doesn't require physical contact with his target and doesn't have any draining effect on them. He can also recal powers at will, although the method is not empathic with mimic

- Isacc, a mutant who is part of the Humanities last stand, whos powes are the exact same, painting the future of the x-men howver rather than the heroes

This sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

-Nathan, whos powers resemble angel without the wings, they basically are the same character, the political man with all the money behind him, who can fly.

Or of course there’s the now depowered “Wing” who could fly just as Nathan can, without wings…

-The shapeshifter girl working with Clairs father- screams mystique from everything from her powers to her manor to her line of work even

Not really, mystique uses her skin to change her outward appearance. This girl uses illusions on the world around her. Big difference

-Jessica- basically the fight between phoenix and jean grey without the world devouring powers... isnt it obvious

Not really,

-Jessicas husband- kitty pride plain and simple.

Is he a Jewish, ninja, high-school girl? If that’s just a comment on his phasing you could say he’s a rip off of vision. Really stretching things here

Do you guys see this?
Further more it runs into plot aswell, where the copying is even more obviious , i only need to give one example to make my point.
In the episode where the radioactive guy is let loose in the house and his power gets out of his control, clair being the only one who could stop him, was i the only one who felt like i was watching the climactic ending of Xmen 3?????

And here’s where this argument becomes clear. You’ve never read a single x-men comic have you?

i mean come on guys,, they just replaces jean grey with a middle aged man, and wolverine with an teenage girl. There was absolutely no difference, For god sakes just as jean earlier in the movie he was destroying a house, this is ridiculous. Clair wanted to save her father wolverine wanted to save jean and the xmen,

Was Claire’s father about to explode? No
Was Ted unmaking reality like jean? No, he was just exploding
Did Claire kill ted like wolverine killed jean? No

she knew she was the only one he knew he was the only one. Jean was angry because she had been tampered with, radioactive man was angry for thinking* hed been tamprered with, and they both had lost their partners to add to their anger... really . the creators of heroes need to come up with something completely original..

Ted blew up because he was shot, jean started unmaking the world because she was bat**** crazy (stupidfilm ) . You’re really stretching your credibility here

i mean just a few episodes ago saresh spoke of a cure to syler.. a CURE for god sakes!!!.

You wake up one day to find you have some kind of strange genetic mutation. Good or bad, a cure has to factor in somewhere…

maybe next week we will see a middle aged african american woman who can shoot lightning from the sky and create tornadoes! or they might make her white and call it orignal, considering what we've gotten so far id say thats the best bet
any one else see this?????????????????????????????????

All I see is a fool complaining about plagiarism when he knows nothing about the source material.

 

[PLAS]

hoorray for stupid teenagers who know nothing!!!

 

[Caliber]

hoorray for stupid teenagers who know nothing!!!

Those are the one who make thing interesting on the hype as well as those like Lazur.

 

[NoirMan82]

I'm actually pretty tired of hearing people say that Heroes is a rip-off of Property A or Property B. There are just some things that stories in certain eras have in common with one another. That's all we're seeing here. If we look back in history we can say that Spider-Man ripped-off Superman because he was also a hero that was seemingly nerdy and work at a newspaper by day. Even further back we can say Captain Marvel ripped-off Superman due to the fact the had similar looks and powers. Actually, that was the cause of a lawsuit by DC back in the day.
Want more? Wildcats ripped-off X-Men. Daredevil ripped-off Dr. Midnight. The Hulk ripped-off Dr. Jeykl and Mr. Hyde. Squadron Supreme ripped-off the Justice League. The Authority ripped-off the Justice League. The Justice League ripped-off the Justice Society. And so on, and so on, aaaaaand so on. If the show is great and gives us all some good entertainment, does it really matter?

 

[Caliber]

I'm actually pretty tired of hearing people say that Heroes is a rip-off of Property A or Property B. There are just some things that stories in certain eras have in common with one another. That's all we're seeing here. If we look back in history we can say that Spider-Man ripped-off Superman because he was also a hero that was seemingly nerdy and work at a newspaper by day. Even further back we can say Captain Marvel ripped-off Superman due to the fact the had similar looks and powers. Actually, that was the cause of a lawsuit by DC back in the day.
Want more? Wildcats ripped-off X-Men. Daredevil ripped-off Dr. Midnight. The Hulk ripped-off Dr. Jeykl and Mr. Hyde. Squadron Supreme ripped-off the Justice League. The Authority ripped-off the Justice League. The Justice League ripped-off the Justice Society. And so on, and so on, aaaaaand so on. If the show is great and gives us all some good entertainment, does it really matter?

Not really but some people will say it ripped off and some will say it borrowed. Every form of entertainment borrows from one another. Comics borrow from other comics all the time.

 

[pyromaniac]

hoorray for stupid teenagers who know nothing!!!

Agreed.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery after all.

 

[Mattchew]

I kinda disagree. They're both shows about super powers. Beyond that, their intentions are very different. If 'Heroes' starts lampooning Scientology though, I'll bow to you.

 

[Child-of-Light]

Yeah and you have Hiro who's funny and Jessica who is creative yes it kind of mimics the phoenix but slightly because Jessica is a little more caring the phoenix and isn’t all powerful either...and cutting open heads with telekinesis is original and cool.

 

[Child-of-Light]

Yeah and you have Hiro who's funny and Jessica who is creative yes it kind of mimics the phoenix but slightly because Jessica is a little more caring the phoenix and isn’t all powerful either...and cutting open heads with telekinesis is original and cool.

 

[gambitfire]

So how exactly do you want her to heal. A mass of magic bandages shooting out of her ass and covering her body? A healing ability is fairly standard fare. Is she any good in a fight? No, does she have an adamantium skeleton and claws? No, is she a fuzzy canadian midget? No.

ROTFLMAO Nice Counters but that was the best line.

And here’s where this argument becomes clear. You’ve never read a single x-men comic have you?

I take you go to the X-forum often enought to recognize this situation.

Ted blew up because he was shot, jean started unmaking the world because she was bat**** crazy (stupidfilm ) . You’re really stretching your credibility here

Agreed

 

[batnkevlar]

And 4400 is a ripoff of the children's book series Mindwarp...