Green Lantern 2

This. GL and Xmen both are like the Star Wars EU of the comics world. There are almost just limitless stories within the books. Definitely my two favorite fictional universes aside from Batman's world.

Also, as for the Hal/Bruce relationship I have to say, as an avid Batman fan since I could speak I absolutely LOVE the dynamics between Hal and Bruce. It's just so deep and I love the way that Bruce is made out to be an ******* even when Hal is the one that is massively unpredictable by Earth standards. That's the thing though, Hal has to think of things on a much larger scale than Batman usually does. Plus, the whole man without fear vs man who embodies it to strike fear into criminals. I just LOVE the way they have portrayed that. If Hal knocked out Bats in a JLA movie I could die a happy man



I think Green Lantern definitely deserves another chance on the big screen. This movie had all the elements that form up the universe in the comics, but it was just executed poorly. I think with a different director and a length that stretches out to a little over 2 hrs, things would've been much better. I hope they do redeem him in Justice League so we die hard fans of the character get more of what should be an almost infinite movie franchise. This and X-Men are basically limitless when it comes to stories and characters that could carry a franchise for decades.
 
KEEP the suits and the characters too:

I'm not sure you're understanding why I suggested what I suggested. The CGI costumes sucked up TONS of budget. The script was bad, but it wasn't helped by the budget being gobbled up by CGI costuming that could have been realized in a similar, but practical, fashion. Which is why I suggested the posthetic suits. They can sculpt them to look like the CGI suit and then enhance it when necessary.
 
Where's the proof of that? People keep saying that, and it seems somewhat likely, but how do we actually know that?
 
The movie very clearly states that Hal's ring will alert him to danger. Hal's ring glows and pulses during the sequence right before he confronts Hammond. Its alerting him to the danger.

What the heck was wrong with the set designs?

No, it did not do so very clearly, that's why many people missed it, because the explanation and execution was muddy, not memorable, and not compelling. Either that or a number of unrelated people have just decided to be jerks about this particular plot point.

As for the set design, I found Oa, ugly, unimpressive and uninteresting. They built up to it in this big reveal, but it was a big whoomp-whoomp moment for me. Perhaps others were blown away by the crags and lopsided mountain range. Not me though.

I don’t understand that at all, as I feel like many of the outdoor sequences on Oa are comparable to what happens in Asgard in terms of locale, but…okay.

Some were. Like when Hal was first there with Tomar-Re, but the GL meeting spot, the big reveal of the planet, even the Guardians' spire were pretty weak compared to the epic reveal of Asgard, Odin's throne room, and such. Not only was it not impressive, AND not faithful to the comics, it did not help tell the story. You have this massively advanced force with cutting edge medical tech and brightly colored platforms to chat on, that meets in crags and is ruled by some guys at the top of Minas-Tirith. It just wasn't good, consistent, or compelling.

As far as the climax not building on the film very well…the reason Parallax is going to Earth is pretty clear…Parallax destroys planets, and is drawn there by Hammond. The villains aren't compelling or well developed. But to say their reasoning isn't there, or that the movie doesn't build to something, I can't agree with that.

Parallax was going to Oa for revenge... his drawn by Hammond how and for what? The movie never explains or addresses this. That's kind of what I'm talking about with the building. The movie advances to the ending, but it doesn't build on what came before to get there, it just, like Parallax, suddenly turns and expects us to follow it. I call that not building, I guess you call that not compelling, and that's fine.

As for Hammond, his entire arc relies on seduction to the power of fear, and his use of it to gain power. And then he faces down a will-based superhero and can’t muster the willpower to make the ring work, and is ultimately destroyed by fear. If anything, Hammond’s defeat at Hal’s hands is one of the more satisfying elements of the film, both as an adaption of the comics and as a film, because its one of the few times it steps outside cliche and a more generic approach.

I would agree with this, but I think that was a mistake. To build up your secondary villain, at the cost of both your main hero and your primary villain is a bad idea, no matter how satisfying the defeat of the secondary villain is. It doesn't matter (to me) how good the icing is if the cake is nasty.

I would agree with that, to a point. He’s not a hugely likeable character through much of the film, though there are obvious points in the movie where he's shown to be a redeemable character and a good guy. He’s not really supposed to be hugely likeable, though, until he stops feeling sorry for himself and overcomes his fear. I guess the filmmakers shouldn't have tried to go with a lofty concept like "bettering yourself" for a superhero movie.

A good movie makes the main character likeable, no matter how detestable is, it's suppose to show him redeemable and give the audience a chance to like him (and an unspoken promise to redeem him). GL tried to do this with the nephew scene and it didn't connect, it wasn't compelling. I don't even know why, maybe because it wasn't his kid, or he was in the midst of being a jerk with his family, or because the father stuff was told and not shown, but at the end of the day: meh for movie Hal in the beginning = meh for movie Hal in the end.

That's not neccessarily true. There's every bit as much battle and struggle as most superhero films have. Part of the "ownage" is because he’s a rookie ringwielder. He’s learning to use the ring, to muster the willpower, and to overcome fear. There were very deliberate choices made by filmmakers to show him failing, so that they should show him growing as a hero, and as a character.

So he basically gets owned at every step he’s truly tested because he’s not ready yet, which is kind of the whole point.

It’s not really any different than Batman originally getting his ass handed to him by The Scarecrow because he’s not quite ready to face him in BEGINS, or any number of superhero film encounters where the hero doesn't triumph right away.

What about the fight sequence between he and Hammond in the lab? There’s a very clear battle/struggle of emotions/powers going on there. There's a shifting of momentum between he and Hammond.

What about the sequence between Green Lantern and Parallax at the end of the film? There’s a pretty clear struggle between he and Parallax, a very clear thematic and visual contest of fear VS will. It’s one of the focal points of the climax.

Does that get muddled a little because they’re shooting colored light at each other? Yes, but it is still very much there.

Hmmm... Hal vs Hammond in the lab was a struggle, with back and forth, and perhaps its comparable to Batman in some ways - he took down Scarecrows men, and then got jumped by Scarecrow - it feels different with Bats because you understand intrinsically that physicality demands effort. With Hal it's like... does he just not want to win bad enough? What is the struggle? With something like willpower, that's abstract and hard to define, so it makes his instant defeats look silly and his instant wins feel arbitrary, especially if there's not compelling character arc underneath.

Yes, but where? Where are these bad effects? The closest thing to subpar effects is the opening pre-title sequence.

I know some people rant about the effects, but the creature work was more or less flawless, the environments were fantastic. I can’t consider a somewhat heightened, cartoony look in relation to the suit and Hal's powers to be a bad one when that’s what they went for, but that seems to be what people pick on when discussing the quality of the effects.

It'd be one thing to discuss the approach, or the tone, or the visual choices themselves. But the quality of the effects themselves was pretty darn good.

I wouldn’t begin to say “most”.

Hal flying in space was the more noticeable one for me, and I usually don't notice bad CGI, but even I saw that, and that's the one I heard ranted about most. Then Hal in his apartment fails to feel quite real as well. The pre-credits, and all the Parallax ones were just so-so, not really "bad." I agree Kilowogg, Tomar-Re and Sinestro were quite impressive, and generally, any cgi-on-cgi effect was just fine. Apparently, though, I'm wrong that most people bagged on the CGI, that was before the movie came out and amongst fans and such, so I'll take that one. Apparently the general consensus is that the CGI was the only good thing about the film. Go figure.
 
I wonder how a Ridley Scott-directed Green Lantern will be? Visuals over story, like Prometheus?
The same thing can be said about James Cameron and Avatar.
 
No, it did not do so very clearly, that's why many people missed it, because the explanation and execution was muddy, not memorable, and not compelling. Either that or a number of unrelated people have just decided to be jerks about this particular plot point.

TOMAR RE: Your ring will alert you when there is trouble.

Then the film showed Hal's ring alerting him as Kilowog attached, much like it did later on after Hammond struck.

It was quite clear.

If "many people" missed it, then "many people" didn't pay attention.
 
I was watching the movie when I went to bed last nite and actually noticed his ring kind of talking to him but it's so subtle that it's not very clear at all that his ring is warning him about anything. There needs to be a voice similar to Jarvis in Iron Man that comes out of the rings. Maybe a guardian like voice or something
 
I was watching the movie when I went to bed last nite and actually noticed his ring kind of talking to him but it's so subtle that it's not very clear at all that his ring is warning him about anything. There needs to be a voice similar to Jarvis in Iron Man that comes out of the rings. Maybe a guardian like voice or something

Well, that's what is in comics.
 
I know. That's why I said it. Would've been nice to ****ing hear "Hal Jordan of Earth, you have the ability to overcome great fear" but NOOOOO
 
I know. That's why I said it. Would've been nice to ****ing hear "Hal Jordan of Earth, you have the ability to overcome great fear" but NOOOOO

Cosigned. That was definitely a missed opportunity.
 
I know. That's why I said it. Would've been nice to ****ing hear "Hal Jordan of Earth, you have the ability to overcome great fear" but NOOOOO

Cosigned. That was definitely a missed opportunity.

The problem is...that's like, the only real character development Hal Jordan has, other than becoming more responsible. Various incarnations of that aspect. So for the ring to just blurt it out early in the film would leave him pretty much nowhere to go in terms of character discovery in an origin film.

So instead of the movie giving that away up front, it had him struggling with why he was chosen since he WAS afraid (but not willing to admit it), misunderstanding the whole "No fear" thing, and Carol realizing it was because he had the ability to overcome great fear, and helping him to understand it, right before he had to face the embodiment of fear.
 
Bleh. That movie isn't self referential or intelligent enough for that to even matter. In an actual good GL flick it would happen and that ***** theme wouldn't be present. Hal doesn't need to be questioning himself the way he did in the movie. He just ups and leaves! **** it Oa! I'm out! Wtf thats the whole part that ****s it up for me is Hal deciding to leave Oa. If he had stayed and seemed excited about being a GL it would have been more convincing
 
Best to lay this down to rest. Fans and critics aside, the General Audience hated the first one to the point where the character is pretty much laughable in their eyes.
 
Bleh. That movie isn't self referential or intelligent enough for that to even matter. In an actual good GL flick it would happen and that ***** theme wouldn't be present. Hal doesn't need to be questioning himself the way he did in the movie. He just ups and leaves! **** it Oa! I'm out! Wtf thats the whole part that ****s it up for me is Hal deciding to leave Oa. If he had stayed and seemed excited about being a GL it would have been more convincing

I completely agree. Oa was beautiful and a much different setting from other hero films. They could have shown Hal having an extended training time (ala Emerald Dawn ) and still told the same story about him overcoming self-doubt. He didn't need to return to Earth to save it.
 
Hal wimping out after some training was when the movie really started to fall apart for me. And when Carol is reassuring Hal about overcoming fear, that was when it just fell off a cliff.
 
Hal wimping out after some training was when the movie really started to fall apart for me. And when Carol is reassuring Hal about overcoming fear, that was when it just fell off a cliff.

Yes, the quitting part really bothered me. I also thought Kilowog should have taken issue with Sinestro pushing Jordan to that point.
 
Anybody remember this fan trailer that ended up being better than the official trailer and movie?

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TOMAR RE: Your ring will alert you when there is trouble.

Then the film showed Hal's ring alerting him as Kilowog attached, much like it did later on after Hammond struck.

It was quite clear.

If "many people" missed it, then "many people" didn't pay attention.

Most people don't pay attention ever. That's why good movies draw people into the information that it gives out, otherwise, people will miss it, no matter how plainly stated, if it sounds unimportant/uninteresting/unintuitive. Like I said, muddy/uncompelling = missed, not 'not said' = missed.

I personally remember the line, and I thought it was rather cartoony to have a vague 'trouble' sense. Isn't there always trouble somewhere? Or does it only alert him to alien trouble? Who cares! He now has a thin excuse to be in the right place at the right time for the rest of the film.
 
Anybody remember this fan trailer that ended up being better than the official trailer and movie?

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I don't remember the "ended up being better than the movie" part.
 
Parallax was going to Oa for revenge... his drawn by Hammond how and for what? The movie never explains or addresses this. That's kind of what I'm talking about with the building. The movie advances to the ending, but it doesn't build on what came before to get there, it just, like Parallax, suddenly turns and expects us to follow it. I call that not building, I guess you call that not compelling, and that's fine.

Doesn't Parallax talk to Hammond about the energy signature of ring of his captor (Abin Sur) present on Earth ?

That is when Parallax decides to head towards Earth than go to Oa.
 
Parallax is drawn by the hunk of him in Hector, the fact Hal is there with the ring of the Lantern that imprisoned him, and if he devours Earth he'll definitely be more than strong enough to take Oa.
 
Most people don't pay attention ever. That's why good movies draw people into the information that it gives out, otherwise, people will miss it, no matter how plainly stated, if it sounds unimportant/uninteresting/unintuitive. Like I said, muddy/uncompelling = missed, not 'not said' = missed.

There's nothing "muddy" about the presentation of what the ring does. It doesn't get much "clearer".

Uncompelling? Well, no, the ring alerting Hal to trouble isn't the most compelling aspect in the world, but along with the other elements of the ring, it forms a compelling overall concept.

I personally remember the line, and I thought it was rather cartoony to have a vague 'trouble' sense. Isn't there always trouble somewhere? Or does it only alert him to alien trouble? Who cares! He now has a thin excuse to be in the right place at the right time for the rest of the film.

He's a space cop whose alien ring alerts him to trouble. That should really be enough info. It’s a ring that makes things out of green light. Getting into what particular types of trouble it alerts him to seems irrelevant and kind of misses the point, since the film SHOWS what types of trouble. Issues in the immediate vicinity requiring his help. Yeah. It's cheesy. It's always been cheesy and a little out there. That's half its charm. That there's a ring that does all this stuff.

Doesn't Parallax talk to Hammond about the energy signature of ring of his captor (Abin Sur) present on Earth ?

That is when Parallax decides to head towards Earth than go to Oa.

Pretty sure he does, yes.

Parallax is drawn by the hunk of him in Hector, the fact Hal is there with the ring of the Lantern that imprisoned him, and if he devours Earth he'll definitely be more than strong enough to take Oa.

Yup. Parallax appears to attempt to get Hammond to take out Green Lantern for him. Or at least to be disgusted with Hammond when he fails to do so
There's a kind of symbiotic relatonship between them. Hammond isn't a good steward of Parallaxs powers, and Parallax takes back what is his when it destroys Hammond.
 
Parallax is drawn by the hunk of him in Hector, the fact Hal is there with the ring of the Lantern that imprisoned him, and if he devours Earth he'll definitely be more than strong enough to take Oa.

That's the one. The only thing that didn't make sense was that Parallax was going to Oa despite not having enough power to repel the entire Corps and the Guardians,
 

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