Guns N' Roses: A Thread 15 Years In The Making

According to Nielsen Broadcast Data Systems, between 5:00 a.m. EST on October 22 and 5:00 a.m. EST on 23, GUNS N' ROSES new single, "Chinese Democracy", was played 683 times on all BDS-monitored terrestrial and satellite radio stations. WAAF-FM in Boston and WHJY-FM in Providence both played it 18 times during that time period. WBSX-FM in Wilkes-Barre was next with 17 spins. By comparison, the #1 song on the Billboard Mainstream Rock radio chart was spun 322 times on October 22, with 526 spins overall.
Source: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=107607

I don't care how many of you don't like it. That song is great, statistics don't lie.
 
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I think too many people are gonna harp on the 15 years thing. I don't care, I'll buy the CD when it comes out and just judge it on what I hear, not the time that it took to make.
 
Exactly. Sadly most of the CD leaked earlier today through Limewire. I'm not gonna listen to them but I'm having a hard time resisting.
 
Exactly. Sadly most of the CD leaked earlier today through Limewire. I'm not gonna listen to them but I'm having a hard time resisting.

I want it, I want it now. But I am not sifiting through Limewire. I already have the leaked demos.

First of all, I made that up, second of all, this is a thread on an internet message board. It's not the "lets wash, massage and cradle axl rose's balls" thread, you do that in private with axl. This is a general gnr thread and if you cant deal with the axl rose side project calling itself gnr getting bashed for taking 15 years to release **** material, then I suggest you find another thread to post in, m'kay sparky?

You know what pisses me the most off about this troll right here? The old hat "It's not GNR if it's just Axl!" thing. If you're really so finnicky about the name, they should have changed it back in 1985 when Tracii Guns quit to just "Roses." It's Axls band, always has been, always will be, just as NIN has always been Trent Reznor. If you can't deal with it, that's your problem. And if you can't deal with it not sounding just like the old stuff, that's also your problem. Stop trolling. Next time you come in here just to cause a stir, as you obviously are, and call people names, I'm reporting you.

Oh and by the way...

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/2008/01/highly_anticipated_albums_of_2.php

Article said:
1. Guns ‘N Roses
Ah, the elusive Chinese Democracy. No list such as this would be complete without mentioning the perpetually in-progress brainchild of, in the words of Conan O’Brien, “Tubby Magoo and the Guys Who Aren’t Slash.” The last G’N’R effort was “The Spaghetti Incident?”, their 1993 covers album. Axl Rose has propagated rumors of a new album since 1999, and the truth of its existence has been continually questioned by critics and fans (much like the question of whether G’N’R truly exists with only one remaining charter member). Chances are, by the time this album sees daylight, there will be democracy in China.

Next time you try to plagarize a joke and then pass it off as your own, don't try it with me. They call me the Joker for a reason.
 
Breaking News!

http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/index.php/the-news/58-thank-you-axl-for-the-free-dr-pepper

Article said:
Many fans and new fans will be thanking Axl Rose for their free DR PEPPER Soft Drink!

Dr Pepper is making good on a promise to provide every person in America a can of the soft drink if “Chinese Democracy” were to arrive in 2008, and has revealed details of the plan.

“We never thought this day would come,” Dr Pepper Vice President of Marketing Tony Jacobs said Wednesday. “But now that it’s here all we can say is: The Dr Pepper’s on us.”

Interested fans are being asked to visit DrPepper.com (http://www.drpepper.com) on Nov. 23, the day “Chinese Democracy” is released in the U.S. exclusively via Best Buy. After registering online, fans will receive a coupon redeemable for a 20-ounce Dr Pepper wherever the drink is sold.

The twist: The coupon is available for only 24 hours and will expire on Feb. 28.
 
Is there a song callled "This I love" on Chinese Democracy? I heard it and I really liked it. Axl shows some great range in the track.
 
I want it, I want it now. But I am not sifiting through Limewire. I already have the leaked demos.

You know what pisses me the most off about this troll right here? The old hat "It's not GNR if it's just Axl!" thing. If you're really so finnicky about the name, they should have changed it back in 1985 when Tracii Guns quit to just "Roses." It's Axls band, always has been, always will be, just as NIN has always been Trent Reznor. If you can't deal with it, that's your problem. And if you can't deal with it not sounding just like the old stuff, that's also your problem. Stop trolling. Next time you come in here just to cause a stir, as you obviously are, and call people names, I'm reporting you.

I don't know, it's definitely not the same, to me Axl and Slash are like Steven Tyler and Joe Perry or Mick and Keith, together they really embody GnR. I'm gonna pick up the CD, but I see it more as an Axl solo album than a GnR album.
 
I don't know, it's definitely not the same, to me Axl and Slash are like Steven Tyler and Joe Perry or Mick and Keith, together they really embody GnR. I'm gonna pick up the CD, but I see it more as an Axl solo album than a GnR album.

I agree. Without Slash et al. on GnR, this really feels like a solo Axl Rose album than GnR. It'd be the same if Chris Cornell decided to resurrect Soundgarden but decided not to invite his old SG bandmates back. Smashing Pumpkins is like GnR, with only Billy Corgan from the original SP band returning for the new album.
 
You know what pisses me the most off about this troll right here? The old hat "It's not GNR if it's just Axl!" thing. If you're really so finnicky about the name, they should have changed it back in 1985 when Tracii Guns quit to just "Roses." It's Axls band, always has been, always will be, just as NIN has always been Trent Reznor. If you can't deal with it, that's your problem. And if you can't deal with it not sounding just like the old stuff, that's also your problem. Stop trolling. Next time you come in here just to cause a stir, as you obviously are, and call people names, I'm reporting you.
You know what pisses me off about morons like this?


Well nothing....he's just some shmuck on an internet message board. Who gets pissed off at the internet? That's pretty embarrassing.

Anyway, guns n roses was NOT always axl's band. first of all, izzy did most of the songwriting, axl did most of the lyrics and slah's style and sound along with [the little by comparison] contributions he made to songwriting. That's guns n roses' heart, those 3. Axl, however, with his [undeserving] over inflated ego wanted the name all to himself when he forced them all to sign over rights to the name. If you can't deal with it, that's your problem.

Also, I might suggest you develop some reading comprehension ability. Like I stated before, this is a guns n roses thread and even you in your first post asked
"What do you all think of GNR? Chinese Democracy? Axl?" to which I gave my opinion. If you read, you were the one that got all emo over it and began whining like a pre-pubescent girl. The next time you don't like opinions people give and respond to them in a demeaning manner and call them names just to cause a stir, as you obviously are, I'm reporting you.
 
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Anyway, guns n roses was NOT always axl's band. first of all, izzy did most of the songwriting, axl did most of the lyrics and slah's style and sound along with [the little by comparison] contributions he made to songwriting. That's guns n roses' heart, those 3. Axl, however, with his [undeserving] over inflated ego wanted the name all to himself when he forced them all to sign over rights to the name. If you can't deal with it, that's your problem.
He didn't force them to do anything. He gave them an ultimatum, sign over the name or Guns is over. Axl said that GNR became something no one imagined and it became the biggest band in the world at the time. Axl also said he got control of the band because he knew if he didn't it would die because all the drug use and living fast. My belief is Axl much wise at the time took control to preserve the name. If Axl was to take control of the band and keep the name alive yet stay reclusive there will always be that interest in the band. I feel he was waiting for the others to realize and become older and wiser then one day he will throw out the reunion and they will be the biggest band again.
 
He didn't force them to do anything. He gave them an ultimatum, sign over the name or Guns is over.
Thanks for supporting what I said....
Axl said that GNR became something no one imagined and it became the biggest band in the world at the time. Axl also said he got control of the band because he knew if he didn't it would die because all the drug use and living fast.
And yet the band died, anyway.....
My belief is Axl much wise at the time took control to preserve the name. If Axl was to take control of the band and keep the name alive yet stay reclusive there will always be that interest in the band.
lolwut?
I feel he was waiting for the others to realize and become older and wiser then one day he will throw out the reunion and they will be the biggest band again.
well they'll never be the biggest band again, that time has come and gone, but yes reuniting the original lineup is the only way they can be relevant again. Thats why all the press chinese democracy is getting isnt about the band or the music, it's about "omg, it's finally coming out" Maybe taking 15 years to release generic and bad material was all planned by axl. Genius marketing strategy if so, but in the end it will be forgotten.


[also, note to the other guy, pay attention to Mr. Brownstone. that is how you post a rebuttal to something you might not agree with. Notice the lack of expletives, ill will, and fanboy whining]
 
Thanks for supporting what I said
I'm not. They could've chosen to let him end the band right then and there.

And yet the band died, anyway.....
I meant it figuratively and literally. You know if they kept on living the way they didd someone would of eventually died or ODed. In fact, Slash did die once, his heart stopped beating. Obviously he was revived. Izzy was smart, he sobered up and left.

If the band was dead would they still sell out shows in numerous places around the world?
what? you dont get it
well they'll never be the biggest band again, that time has come and gone, but yes reuniting the original lineup is the only way they can be relevant again. Thats why all the press chinese democracy is getting isnt about the band or the music, it's about "omg, it's finally coming out" Maybe taking 15 years to release generic and bad material was all planned by axl. Genius marketing strategy if so, but in the end it will be forgotten.
Well that's what i meant. Izzy played a bunch of shows in 2006-2007 with the new GN'R. Duff said he doesnt rule out a reunion. Steven so wants it to be like it was back then. i think Slash has also expressed interest in it too. But like most of them said it's all up to Axl.
 
I'm not. They could've chosen to let him end the band right then and there.
uhh, yeah...he forced them to sign over the rights or he was going to end the band. You're still supporting what I said.


I meant it figuratively and literally. You know if they kept on living the way they didd someone would of eventually died or ODed. In fact, Slash did die once, his heart stopped beating. Obviously he was revived. Izzy was smart, he sobered up and left.
Uhh, adler already did OD and had to be replaced by sorum, so it's not like it was uncharted territory for the group

If the band was dead would they still sell out shows in numerous places around the world?
They don't The axl rose band sells out an occasional show or 2....of course that doesnt mean he will actually perform at them, lol.


Well that's what i meant. Izzy played a bunch of shows in 2006-2007 with the new GN'R. Duff said he doesnt rule out a reunion. Steven so wants it to be like it was back then. i think Slash has also expressed interest in it too. But like most of them said it's all up to Axl.
There's more to it than that. If it was that simple the reunion would have happened in time for CD's release. There's just too much $$$$ and integrity to be gained by not doing it, so wats the hold up?
 
uhh, yeah...he forced them to sign over the rights or he was going to end the band. You're still supporting what I said.
No, do you know what forcing means? He didn't grab their hands, put it on the contract with a pen and guided their hands to write their signature while they were all drugged up. They had a choice. Of course you don't expect them to not sign it and give up the fame and fortune but don't make it sound like he manipulated them or drugged them.

Uhh, adler already did OD and had to be replaced by sorum, so it's not like it was uncharted territory for the group
Adler's an exception, he ODed in '96, they fired him in '90. The only person to have a drug related attack while in the band was Slash, i think it was in '91-'92

They don't The axl rose band sells out an occasional show or 2....of course that doesnt mean he will actually perform at them, lol.
Well they might not have sell out shows but there's as much people going to see them now as there were back then.

There's more to it than that. If it was that simple the reunion would have happened in time for CD's release. There's just too much $$$$ and integrity to be gained by not doing it, so wats the hold up?
Like i said it's up to Axl, maybe he doesnt want to talk to Slash, Matt or Duff. maybe when theyre inducted in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame in 2011-2012.
 
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I don't care how much most of you hate him now for whatever reason(him being a straight up *****e or whether you think he's the reason Guns fell apart). You can't deny his icon status, that he is/was one of the greatest frontmen of all time.
 
No, do you know what forcing means? He didn't grab their hands, put it on the contract with a pen and guided their hands to write their signature while they were all drugged up. They had a choice. Of course you don't expect them to not sign it and give up the fame and fortune but don't make it sound like he manipulated them or drugged them.
That's just dense and sheeplike fanboy mentality. He threatened to leave the band if they didnt sign over the rights. He forced them to sign it or the band would have ended there. hat part of that isnt sinking in?

Adler's an exception, he ODed in '96, they fired him in '90. The only person to have a drug related attack while in the band was Slash, i think it was in '91-'92
Adler was fired once but was allowed back in after signing a contract saying he wouldnt use drugs anymore. Wold ithave been so hard to do that with other members?

Well they might not have sell out shows but there's as much people going to see them now as there were back then.
id you see gnr back then? The large cowds gnr have been performing in front ofhave been at festival events were there are always large crowds regardless of who plays. On their own, axl cant touch where gnr were back then, partly because of the cover band he's with and partly because people dont want to send teir hard earned $$$ for axl to pull one of his notorios stunts and ruin the show for everyone.

Like i said it's up to Axl, maybe he doesnt want to talk to Slash, Matt or Duff. maybe when theyre inducted in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame in 2011-2012.
Maybe, maybe not. I think it's all axl's ego. He wants to be abe to say to the world he can be a success without izzy/slash. What e doesnt realize is that he's only milking the gnr name. If he was releasing CD under ANY other name, it wouldnt come close to recieving the attention it has
 
I don't care how much most of you hate him now for whatever reason(him being a straight up *****e or whether you think he's the reason Guns fell apart). You can't deny his icon status, that he is/was one of the greatest frontmen of all time.
Of course he is, that was part of gnr's appeal. Problem is that with him being an iconic frontman, you also get his ego iin the package....an ego that lead to the end of the band
 
Maybe, maybe not. I think it's all axl's ego. He wants to be abe to say to the world he can be a success without izzy/slash. What e doesnt realize is that he's only milking the gnr name.

But it's his band and name to milk:huh:
 
If you want to hear classic style GNR, go listen to Velvet Revolver. That is, if they can get through another album without scaring off whoever their new frontman ends up being. I mean really, how big of a tool do you have to be to scare off Scott Weiland? Just keep him doped up and he'll do anything.
 
I've heard one song from Velvet Revolver. It made me laugh
 
Remember when The Offspring's new CD was going to be called Chinese Democracy (You Snooze, You Lose)?
Sadly, it turned out to be an April Fool's Joke played by the band. But it would have been awesome. Instead it was called Rise and Fall With Rage and Grace. Yeah, that's better.
 
Remember when The Offspring's new CD was going to be called Chinese Democracy (You Snooze, You Lose)?
Sadly, it turned out to be an April Fool's Joke played by the band. But it would have been awesome. Instead it was called Rise and Fall With Rage and Grace. Yeah, that's better.

No, it was called Splinter. There NEW CD is called Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace.
 
I've heard one song from Velvet Revolver. It made me laugh

Their first album was really solid. Libertad on the other hand, other than She Builds Quick Machines, is a steaming pile of crap.
 

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