The Dark Knight Have we or they gone too far?

[Mr. Socko]

I never read set reports.

 

[Cowleen]

Your college sex life would like say thank you!

one christian bale as batman poster would be acceptable.

Us chicks dig the Bale

 

[the_monk]

I glance at the set reports occasionally, but I'd like the movie to have surprises when I see it. Most of it seems to be stuff that we'll know about just by seeing the trailers (ie. Scarecrow will make an appearance). Nolan usually has some tricks up his sleeve though, so I'm sure there are some secrets that will not leak.

 

[Hole Shot]

one christian bale as batman poster would be acceptable.

Us chicks dig the Bale

To be quite honest, if you've gotten to the point where you're going to bring a girl back to the place 9 out of 10 ten times she isn't going to go running out the house screaming from discovering a guy is an enthusiast of something (unless it's photos of dead bodies or something all over the room and she's not goth). They tend to take an interest and ask about it - unless it's Star Trek then you're doomed.

 

[smatt584]

the dude who wrot this kinda comes off a bit arrogant...and i i can easily see the latter part of the story being greatly exaggerated.

A "bit" arrogant?

"Now I'll forgive the guy for not knowing who I was and treating me as such - most of my work isn't in the Loop (my business usually takes me more often to the South Side, Hyde Park, and spots of the North side). So if he doesn't give me all the respect I deserve - so be it. But the complete lack of respect, and attempts to intimidate, were insulting - even to an average person."

You'd think this guy pissed pure gold and shat precious stones by reading this, but i still have to agree that, if what he says is true, the security for this film has crossed the line into borderline assault. (For those who aren't familiar with the law, assault does not have to involve actually harming someone, but giving the serious impression or appearance of impending physical violence. Battery being the term for actual physical violence.) Try this kind of stunt to a police officer and see what they charge you with, especially the part with the car.

 

[sasquatchs]

If the crew remember Chicago as being a nightmare to shoot in because of on-set nuisances, they may not come back for part 3. It is a courtesy not to spoil things for everyone else, just for the sake of individual kicks.

Courtest goes a long way too.

Is that what you're afraid of? A few weeners are inevitable when they're filming in public. It's a small, open building with a set on the roof, in the middle of the business district, surrounded by larger, easily accessible buildings, and a million windows to watch from.

 

[wikum]

b

Here's what I said on this issue on the Chicago filming thread:

"I have a whole lot of respect and appreciation for the people who have been getting these scoops and spy reports for us. But Mike is absolutely right. You can't hold it against these security guards for DOING THEIR JOB.

Look at it this way. You get thrown out, and you're mildly annoyed for a few hours because you didn't get to see sets being put together for a few hours, or maybe a glimpse of one of the big actors.

You DON'T get thrown out, and the security guard's job is at stake. If they've been told by one of the higher-ups in production to get rid of you guys, do you seriously think they should go against orders and let you stay just to be "cool guys"? You gonna show your appreciation to them by paying them the money they lose if their inability to do their job gets them fired?

It's a similar mentality to what I deal with. I'm a University student, and I work part-time at a supermarket to help supplement my income. And we're looked at like major a-holes because we don't let kids buy alcohol. Aw, we're not "nice guys", we won't cut these kids a break and let them have their fun. But cutting them slack would put OUR jobs in jeapordy.

Don't begrudge people for doing what they're told to do. By all means, if somebody makes the decision to take a risk and let you hang around, when they're within their right to ask you to leave, then stay and report back. But show enough respect to these guys to appreciate the ball is in their court when it comes to such a decision, not yours. You have no stake in the matter, they do."

And to add to that:

Really, all you guys complaining about what bastards security are...do you have ANY idea how good you have it?

If Warner Bros wanted to, they could probably seal up the whole area, make it like Fort Knox, and not let anybody anywhere near it. But as it is, they've left it pretty open. People have been able to walk around and look at the sets. We've had various people getting photos with the crew, some of the cast, and even Nolan himself!

And when the fans are given all this, are they grateful? No. They get all that, and then security say "Okay, we've given you all this, you've had a good time, but now could you please move away while we get down to business?" And after being given so much leeway already, are they respectful to their request? No. They respond with "I'm not moving! I have a right to be here! This is public property!" and act all obnoxious. No wonder security have to resort to "intimidation" to make them finally take the hint and leave.

best post in the thread.

 

[smatt584]

Is that what you're afraid of? A few weeners are inevitable when they're filming in public. It's a small, open building with a set on the roof, in the middle of the business district, surrounded by larger, easily accessible buildings, and a million windows to watch from.

Not to mention that it's an open-air building, so even when they are on lower levels, you can still see in. I would call not using a flash or yelling out a common courtesy, but the rest is just overkill.

 

[wikum]

Someone still needs to dress up as Adam West with the bomb, that'll get on the DVD. Or possibly you'll be arrested for terrorism

no...SERIOUSLY someone needs to grow some balls and do that.

 

[Hole Shot]

Is that what you're afraid of? Get some perspective. A few weeners are inevitable when they're filming in public. It's a small, open building in the middle of the business district, surrounded by larger, easily accessible buildings, and a million windows to watch from.

Exactly. They've all been in this business a while and they know how the general public is going to react when filming on location.

At the same time, I think they are miffed at Cillian's appearance getting leaked and that's caused the recent escalation. BUT, if this is such a big deal they should have done a better job at closing areas like that off temporarily during production. Rather than having abusive rent-a-cops threatening people after the fact. If I was in the studios position, I would have hired retired Secret Service to do advance work prior to arriving on location - there's no way they would have missed that position the Scarescrow photos we're taken from.

 

[Figs]

b

best post in the thread.

I second that!

 

[smatt584]

Someone read Bat-Hunting's depictions of the security guard's actions, especially involving the car, and tell me this doesn't fit:

"Assault is a crime of violence against another person. In some jurisdictions, including Australia and New Zealand assault refers to an act that causes another to apprehend immediate and personal violence, while in other jurisdictions, such as the United States, assault refers only to the threat of violence caused by an immediate show of force. Simple assaults that do not involve any aggravation such as use of a deadly weapon are distinguished from aggravated assaults in some juridictions." -Wikipedia

 

[Carnotaur3]

If you can talk about respect, I can talk about courtesy. If Nolan and co come to Chicago, you CAN impede filming by snooping around and holding things up, you're "within your right" to. But it would be a courtesy to just let the crew do their jobs. If the crew remember Chicago as being a nightmare to shoot in because of on-set nuisances, they may not come back for part 3. It is a courtesy not to spoil things for everyone else, just for the sake of individual kicks.

Courtest goes a long way too.

And I wouldn't be against that, neither, Keyser Soze. It goes both ways. I was simply refering to him being in a public place and NOT on set. Maybe I shouldn't have tried the analogy of the person being ON set to differentiate.

 

[sasquatchs]

It's all moving to outdoor day shooting now, so all these issues are kind of moot anyway. Apart from not getting in the crews way etc.

 

[Gilpesh]

I highly doubt that he left out things he had done in this little confrontation. Everyone's memory has fun making themselves look better, coupled with the fact that 'his style' is making a pompus ass of himself... yeah there might be some deleted scenes to this little parking garage sequence (too bad for that anti-battery zone).

 

[Superman4ever]

That's funny, I was reading this article, and was almost through (I skipped the description of what was being filmed) when I was interupted by one of the patients in the hospital, after I helped them out, I came back to finish the article and noticed the patient and the author of the article have the same last name.

I thought it was eerie...its an unusual Arabic name.

 

[The Guard]

This happens all the time in security work. My mother calls these types of security guards "jack-booted G-men". And yes, their job is to get you to leave.

You sure it's public property? You sure you aren't loitering? If you're in a parking garage, you tend to need to be parking, or you may be loitering, which tends to be against the law in many cities. Tell you what, though...next time you are "bullied" into leaving, try calling the cops. See what happens. The city of Chicago is not likely to put one person who brings nothing to the table ahead of an operation that is bringing MILLIONS to the city.

Yeah, the guards were *****. Some people are.

I don't know, what this seems to come down to is "life isn't fair". That's true. How about that?

 

[Cowleen]

I highly doubt that he left out things he had done in this little confrontation. Everyone's memory has fun making themselves look better, coupled with the fact that 'his style' is making a pompus ass of himself... yeah there might be some deleted scenes to this little parking garage sequence (too bad for that anti-battery zone).

WTF is an anti-battery zone? Am I they only one missing this?

 

[Cowleen]

and i dont even want to know what google will bring up

 

[El KnightoDarko]

WTF is an anti-battery zone? Am I they only one missing this?

It was a joke.

First of all, regarding the "Anti-Battery Field" - that's kind of a bad nerdy joke. Sorry about that.

 

[Retroman]

Okay, you personally may have had the best of intentions, and were being completely harmless observing the production from afar. But like I said - security have been told to get rid of you for a reason.

Remember what happened when they were cool about letting people hang around nearby parking garages?

Now, don't get me wrong, I loved seeing this pic. I was glad to see Scarecrow was back for "The Dark Knight". But look at it from the filmmaker's perspective.

Cillian Murphy has said in recent interviews that he's not coming back for the next film, or that he can't comment. Obviously Nolan wanted Scarecrow's return to be a secret, a surprise for the fans. But snooping from locations SUCH AS THE ONE YOU WERE TOLD TO LEAVE led to this surprise being spoiled. And Nolan and co. surely want to avoid repition of such incidents.

Yeah, security may have been jerks about telling you to leave. But how many disrespectful idiots do you think they've had to deal with before you came along? Obviously they've concluded that being nice about it wasn't getting them very far. And they're not doing it just to be jerks. There's a good reason for it.

Very good point about the Scarecrow. I don't think they had any intention of revealing that until next year so that must have pissed Nolan off when he got word of it. But then you have to ask your self why would they shoot 'surprise' scenes in the open when they knew full well that people could see the set. They even held a freaking press conference announcing the Chicago shoot - you think people aren't going to check it out? I understand that they like their secrecy but this is taking things too far IMO. Now personally if it were me and they asked me to leave i'd get the heck out of there - which is what the blog writer did (until they bullied him out of the other building).

I understand that they're making a big budget movie and that they're pumping millions of dollars into the city.And i respect people who are doing their jobs. But why take it so far? Why are those security guards/thugs wasting their time roughing up people who are only watching the shoot(he wasn't taking photos)?Countless people have done so over the past weeks - the cast and crew have even posed for photos and chatted with them (giving juicy info to boot).Why weren't those people bullied as well?

They should have kept the code Intimidation Game instead of Rory's First Kiss.lol

The city of Chicago is not likely to put one person who brings nothing to the table ahead of an operation that is bringing MILLIONS to the city.

Yeah, the guards were *****. Some people are.

I don't know, what this seems to come down to is "life isn't fair". That's true. How about that?

Well said guard.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Okay, you personally may have had the best of intentions, and were being completely harmless observing the production from afar. But like I said - security have been told to get rid of you for a reason.

Remember what happened when they were cool about letting people hang around nearby parking garages?

Now, don't get me wrong, I loved seeing this pic. I was glad to see Scarecrow was back for "The Dark Knight". But look at it from the filmmaker's perspective.

Cillian Murphy has said in recent interviews that he's not coming back for the next film, or that he can't comment. Obviously Nolan wanted Scarecrow's return to be a secret, a surprise for the fans. But snooping from locations SUCH AS THE ONE YOU WERE TOLD TO LEAVE led to this surprise being spoiled. And Nolan and co. surely want to avoid repition of such incidents.

Yeah, security may have been jerks about telling you to leave. But how many disrespectful idiots do you think they've had to deal with before you came along? Obviously they've concluded that being nice about it wasn't getting them very far. And they're not doing it just to be jerks. There's a good reason for it.

Amen.



You guys got what you deserved.

 

[Anita18]

Lol I got a little winded there. No seriously Im about to drive the 3 hours back up there. Not to see filming, just to really theaten some of the security.

Sorry to be blunt but you, my good friend, need to find something more useful to do with your life.

I doubt the security guards would have physically threatened someone who was accommodating and didn't give them attitude. If you wanna dish it, be ready to take it. Seeing them film is not a RIGHT, it is a PRIVILEGE of the highest order, and if someone wants you to move, then move to a different spot if you really must, but arguing certainly doesn't do you any favors. These security guys are not going anywhere, and it's obvious to me that you need to be in good favors with them if you want to watch the filming at all.

I can't believe what I'm reading in some of these posts. I know that most of you are young and big fans of Batman, but still. Maturity is something some of you really need to learn.

And Re: the Scarecrow reveal, I'm happy as anyone else is that Cillian is coming back, but if Nolan didn't want it to be known (and that's likely), we've ruined his intentions. Now do we really want to do that to the man who successfully brought us a great Batman film the first time around? We aren't making his job easier, guys.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

If I were Nolan I would hire ex KGB agents to protect and keep every aspect of the production a secret...and if your caught on the lot: they take you round' back to school you in the KGB fine arts.

 

[chief103182]

I like how he gets angry with how the security guards were treating him because he wasn't doing anything wrong, then he ends it with saying he can probably make a fake ID badge and walk around the set. What a moron.