The Dark Knight Have we or they gone too far?

[dark_b]

Hey, why would I be the one trying to get a BJ from him? I'm not the one following him around in Chicago, trying to crawl up his ass at every turn...

this had to hurt

dude you owned him 100%

 

[sasquatchs]

Read my posts, and you'll see that I expressed respect and gratitude to the people who have visited the set and written up reports for us. And my "indignation" has been directed to the people who have gotten into fights with security, yes, like the "a-hole in the quoted article."

If you avoided confrontation with the crew, or left if/when you were told, you're fine with me.

As for the "from your comfy chair in Scotland" remark, dude, don't get melodramatic. It's not like you're fighting in Vietnam or something. It's fans on a movie set. And I'm merely responding to the excessive "indignation" directed at security earlier in this thread and others.

That's fine then, it just sounded like you were lumping the two groups together. People can still whine about security, as long as they don't expect them to be lovely and sweet. The melodrama was a nice touch, my chair is also very comfy t:

 

[frojk]

Hey, why would I be the one trying to get a BJ from him? I'm not the one following him around in Chicago, trying to crawl up his ass at every turn...

I do not post much, but I had to say that I laughed out really loud reading this response...

 

[Keyser Soze]

Nope, your the one with 6,000 posts on a batman forum OH pwnage. lol im just messin w/ u I know what your sayin

Touche.

 

[riskproductions]

Actually Id probably take a BJ from Nolan for the pure aspect of saying it happened. lol

 

[riskproductions]

Anyways, to return the thread to a PG rating, I guess we'll just have to wait and hear more stories. Theres plenty more filming to do, and probably plenty more crazy fans.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Anyways, to return the thread to a PG rating, I guess we'll just have to wait and hear more stories. Theres plenty more filming to do, and probably plenty more crazy fans.

I love reading the stories, to be sure. But I think Nolan and co. need to start getting ahead of the game, and releasing some more official photos, maybe do some "video blog" type set reports like other directors have done. That way, they're the ones who are controlling all the set buzz, and the ones benefitting from it.

 

[riskproductions]

Yeah, especially filming in the center of the downtown of the 3rd largest city in the country. Its gonna take more than a toy on Good morning america and a press conference.

 

[The Count]

Whilst I think the majority of the report sounds accurate, The end sounds a bit embellished. But then again, you wouldn't write

"Security came over and suddenly my boxers were filled with lumpy fear" t:

 

[Majick Ninja]

I believe that security are being A-holes. But I still get the feeling this dude is arrogant and was embellishing a bit. Definitely so with the part about the car trying to run him over. lol.

 

[The Count]

Security need to be A-holes some times if people refuse to listen to the previous respectful requests to leave a set

 

[Majick Ninja]

Not if they're on public property. If those people are on public property, and they're not intentionally causing trouble or interfering with the filming then security can go screw themselves.

 

[The Count]

I agree, but if you are asked to leave and start spouting "public property", you are gonna piss them off. Whilst security may be over reacting, this guy was essentially stopping them from doing their job

 

[Figs]

THANK YOU. Very good point. I made a similar one in the other thread:

"The thing people need to realise is, these security guards aren't telling them to leave because they think it's fun. They're doing it for a reason.

Yeah, you guys are passionate, and we appreciate that. But do you really want to become an obstacle to the production of the film you have so much passion for? You do realise that the more trouble and delay you cause for security guards, the more it holds back filming and progress?"

Exactly, it's like the morons who talk crap about their last boss or employer because they got fired for being late to work everyday.

 

[The Count]

Imagine this scene

C Nolan: "Why is that guy stood over there?"

Security: "He wont leave"

C Nolan: "Why"

Security: "He says its public property"

C Nolan: "He has a point"

Security: "What should we do?"

C Nolan: "Give him a Batsuit and the keys to the Tumbler"

t:

 

[Spiral]

That report is terrible, and these two security guards in question are likely going to find themselves in trouble at some point. Threatening people is just ridiculous...

Sigh. After I film my bit I'm going to go down and watch more filming and if these two come around I don't plan on just hitting the road. I'm just going to wait though because I don't want to jepordize being in the movie

 

[frakkingoff]

Cut

 

[frakkingoff]

Hey guys. I'm the author of the blog and post in question, and thought I'd clarify a few things and add to the discussion.

First of all, regarding the "Anti-Battery Field" - that's kind of a bad nerdy joke. Sorry about that.

As for arrogance and embellishment....that's the style the blog's written in. I write some outlandish stories and adventures sometimes (usually grounded in some reality, but exagerrated for dramatic effect). You've noticed a few phrases I've used in this post indicating that effect - it's for entertainment. Things like "average person" or "I'd stand up to the ****** in a fight" - obviously I'm not looking for a fight. Just part of the story. Not "arrogant" or an "egotistical asshat" - just telling the story and hoping for a few smiles. I wasn't expecting as wide an audience as this, so my personal quirks in my storytelling might come off the wrong way to people not familiar with me and the writing style. (Had I known my post would be quoted in a forum such as this, I'd also have kept my language cleaner).

But I will stress that I was NOT embellishing anything about the behavior of the security people. It was rude, disrespectful, and downright threatening.

I didn't exaggerate the car deal one bit - it really zoomed up to me, braking at the last possible second. Like I said, they weren't trying to run me over - but they were trying to make me THINK they were going to run me over. It was a scare tactic. And as one astute poster pointed out - it could've been all too easy for them to miss the brakes or miscalculate and stop a few inches too late.

These guys WERE thugs. They were hired based on their intidimation factor. I'm not trying to make myself look tough by setting them up in comparison to me - I'm trying to explain what kind of rude guys you'll find.

I understand they don't want us on the set. Fine. But they don't own the parking structures nearby. And if people DO make a disturbance, then I can understand wanting them to leave (like yelling at people on the set). But plenty of people, myself included, just wanted to watch quietly from a distance. No pictures, no shouts, no nothing. (I had my camera, but the batteries were dead. And I've heard Chris Nolan doesn't want on-set photos being taken, so my main intent for the camera was just for its use in the slim possibility that Nolan came out to meet some fans and would take a picture with me. More on that later).

I wasn't asked nicely to leave. They started straight off by yelling at me and getting in my face, right from the get-go. I mentioned in my post that I wasn't going to pay them any attention once they pulled the car stunt. This is true - unless they had talked to me as one human being should talk to another (based on the car stunt, I knew this wasn't going to happen). I'm not going to ignore someone who talks to me politely - that's just downright rude. But I won't pay any attention to two thugs that threaten you with a car and start by yelling.

So what if some people were drunk one night? Or even that same night? If they don't KNOW that I'm a drunk, rowdy loudmouth, then they have no reason to ASSUME I am and treat me as such.

As for people not wanting to be watched doing their jobs - let's face it, you're in Chicago, filming a movie.

You're a guest, in a city I call home, to make a massive movie to earn you millions, which will disrupt traffic and businesses.

The least you can do is allow people to watch, from a distance.

The least you can do is treat with with respect and courtesy - not yell at them.

You're guests, in their home.

As for snoopers and spoilers - those of us who want to watch aren't being spoiled any massive plot turns. We're here for one night, while 5 minutes worth of film, total, are shot. We're not reading the script. We can't even hear the lines.

We just want to be able to see the movie in the theatres and, when we see that scene we saw last summer in real life at a distance, we want to be able to say to our friends "Hey, I saw that moment when they were filming it!"

And let's also face another fact - the fans and movie-goers are the livelihood of these filmmakers. The PAs. The security people. The extras. The stars. The director. Their income comes from our pockets - when we go to the theatre to see the movie and buy the DVDs.

So treat us with the respect we deserve. Ask us nicely to leave. And don't LIE to us about where we can watch. Tell us where is an acceptable spot.

(I added an update to the blog some of you might have missed: When on the first roof, the security guy told me the 2nd roof was OK to stand and watch on. Surprise, surprise - it wasn't, because the two guys who harassed me with the car said it wasn't OK to be on that roof (the 2nd roof), and were yelling at me when I tried to explain to them that the first security guy had given me permission).

I also want to stress that I, and all of the other people around the area that I saw, acted with the utmost respect. The kids were loud at one point (which they should've known better, and they kind of asked to get kicked off), but everybody else was quiet. We weren't taking pictures. We weren't interfering. We didn't talk to any of the crew, unless they came out and volunteered to talk to us, by initiating a conversation. We stayed out of the way of filming, watching from a discreet, respectful distance.

I didn't leave anything about about how I, or anyone else, behaved. We weren't rowdy hooligans, and even when yelled at and threatened, I kept my cool, my voice low and calm, my language clean, and my attitude respectful (for instance, I assured them I wasn't taking pictures. I asked them if there was a better place to stand if I was in the way (of the film shot or lighting or whatnot). I got nothing back but denials and threats).

I can't imagine that the filming people were too terribly annoyed by us watching from so far. And if they are a little bit, so what? That's their pet peeve - something they get uptight about with no legitimate justification for getting uptight about. They're filming in our home. If we don't actually disrupt anything, they've got a right to request nicely that we leave - but they have no right to demand or force us to leave.

And I'd also like to say - not everyone on the set was a dick. The extras were nice. Some of the crew were real nice. And I've heard Chris Nolan has come out from time to time to meet the fans and sign DVDs. (I actually stopped by Walgreens just beforehand to buy a sharpie, in the slim chance that he came out to sign DVDs again. I also brought my camera primarily for the purpose of, maybe, getting a shot of the two of us together, in case my friends didn't believe me).

But these security guys, who break the law and threaten the physical safety of others, really should be brought in line.

 

[The Count]

Fire up the Bat-Signal, The Security personel are loose!!!

 

[riskproductions]

Decent response, frakkingoff. I just think you owned us all. I agree with everything you said. Thank you for cominc and clearing some things up

 

[Keyser Soze]

Hey guys. I'm the author of the blog and post in question, and thought I'd clarify a few things and add to the discussion.

First of all, regarding the "Anti-Battery Field" - that's kind of a bad nerdy joke. Sorry about that.

As for arrogance and embellishment....that's the style the blog's written in. I write some outlandish stories and adventures sometimes (usually grounded in some reality, but exagerrated for dramatic effect). You've noticed a few phrases I've used in this post indicating that effect - it's for entertainment. Things like "I'd stand up to the ****** in a fight" - obviously I'm not looking for a fight. Just part of the story. Not an "egotistical asshat" - just telling the story and hoping for a few smiles. I wasn't expecting as wide an audience as this, so my personal quirks in my storytelling might come off the wrong way to people not familiar with me and the writing style. (Had I known my post would be quoted in a forum such as this, I'd also have kept my language cleaner).

But I will stress that I was NOT embellishing anything about the behavior of the security people. It was rude, disrespectful, and downright threatening.

I didn't exaggerate the car deal one bit - it really zoomed up to me, braking at the last possible second. Like I said, they weren't trying to run me over - but they were trying to make me THINK they were going to run me over. It was a scare tactic. And as one astute poster pointed out - it could've been all too easy for them to miss the brakes or miscalculate and stop a few inches too late.

These guys WERE thugs. They were hired based on their intidimation factor. I'm not trying to make myself look tough by setting them up in comparison to me - I'm trying to explain what kind of rude guys you'll find.

I understand they don't want us on the set. Fine. But they don't own the parking structures nearby. And if people DO make a disturbance, then I can understand wanting them to leave (like yelling at people on the set). But plenty of people, myself included, just wanted to watch quietly from a distance. No pictures, no shouts, no nothing. (I had my camera, but the batteries were dead. And I've heard Chris Nolan doesn't want on-set photos being taken, so my main intent for the camera was just for its use in the slim possibility that Nolan came out to meet some fans and would take a picture with me. More on that later).

I wasn't asked nicely to leave. They started straight off by yelling at me and getting in my face, right from the get-go. I mentioned in my post that I wasn't going to pay them any attention once they pulled the car stunt. This is true - unless they had talked to me as one human being should talk to another (based on the car stunt, I knew this wasn't going to happen). I'm not going to ignore someone who talks to me politely - that's just downright rude. But I won't pay any attention to two thugs that threaten you with a car and start by yelling.

So what if some people were drunk one night? Or even that same night? If they don't KNOW that I'm a drunk, rowdy loudmouth, then they have no reason to ASSUME I am and treat me as such.

As for people not wanting to be watched doing their jobs - let's face it, you're in Chicago, filming a movie.

You're a guest, in a city I call home, to make a massive movie to earn you millions, which will disrupt traffic and businesses.

The least you can do is allow people to watch, from a distance.

The least you can do is treat with with respect and courtesy - not yell at them.

You're guests, in their home.

As for snoopers and spoilers - those of us who want to watch aren't being spoiled any massive plot turns. We're here for one night, while 5 minutes worth of film, total, are shot. We're not reading the script. We can't even hear the lines.

We just want to be able to see the movie in the theatres and, when we see that scene we saw last summer in real life at a distance, we want to be able to say to our friends "Hey, I saw that moment when they were filming it!"

And let's also face another fact - the fans and movie-goers are the livelihood of these filmmakers. The PAs. The security people. The extras. The stars. The director. Their income comes from our pockets - when we go to the theatre to see the movie and buy the DVDs.

So treat us with the respect we deserve. Ask us nicely to leave. And don't LIE to us about where we can watch. Tell us where is an acceptable spot.

(I added an update to the blog some of you might have missed: When on the first roof, the security guy told me the 2nd roof was OK to stand and watch on. Surprise, surprise - it wasn't, because the two guys who harassed me with the car said it wasn't OK to be on that roof (the 2nd roof), and were yelling at me when I tried to explain to them that the first security guy had given me permission).

I also want to stress that I, and all of the other people around the area that I saw, acted with the utmost respect. The kids were loud at one point (which they should've known better, and they kind of asked to get kicked off), but everybody else was quiet. We weren't taking pictures. We weren't interfering. We didn't talk to any of the crew, unless they came out and volunteered to talk to us, by initiating a conversation. We stayed out of the way of filming, watching from a discreet, respectful distance.

I didn't leave anything about about how I, or anyone else, behaved. We weren't rowdy hooligans, and even when yelled at and threatened, I kept my cool, my voice low and calm, my language clean, and my attitude respectful (for instance, I assured them I wasn't taking pictures. I asked them if there was a better place to stand if I was in the way (of the film shot or lighting or whatnot). I got nothing back but denials and threats).

I can't imagine that the filming people were too terribly annoyed by us watching from so far. And if they are a little bit, so what? That's their pet peeve - something they get uptight about with no legitimate justification for getting uptight about. They're filming in our home. If we don't actually disrupt anything, they've got a right to request nicely that we leave - but they have no right to demand or force us to leave.

And I'd also like to say - not everyone on the set was a dick. The extras were nice. Some of the crew were real nice. And I've heard Chris Nolan has come out from time to time to meet the fans and sign DVDs. (I actually stopped by Walgreens just beforehand to buy a sharpie, in the slim chance that he came out to sign DVDs again. I also brought my camera primarily for the purpose of, maybe, getting a shot of the two of us together, in case my friends didn't believe me).

But these security guys, who break the law and threaten the physical safety of others, really should be brought in line.

Okay, you personally may have had the best of intentions, and were being completely harmless observing the production from afar. But like I said - security have been told to get rid of you for a reason.

Remember what happened when they were cool about letting people hang around nearby parking garages?

Now, don't get me wrong, I loved seeing this pic. I was glad to see Scarecrow was back for "The Dark Knight". But look at it from the filmmaker's perspective.

Cillian Murphy has said in recent interviews that he's not coming back for the next film, or that he can't comment. Obviously Nolan wanted Scarecrow's return to be a secret, a surprise for the fans. But snooping from locations SUCH AS THE ONE YOU WERE TOLD TO LEAVE led to this surprise being spoiled. And Nolan and co. surely want to avoid repition of such incidents.

Yeah, security may have been jerks about telling you to leave. But how many disrespectful idiots do you think they've had to deal with before you came along? Obviously they've concluded that being nice about it wasn't getting them very far. And they're not doing it just to be jerks. There's a good reason for it.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Hey guys. I'm the author of the blog and post in question, and thought I'd clarify a few things and add to the discussion.

First of all, regarding the "Anti-Battery Field" - that's kind of a bad nerdy joke. Sorry about that.

As for arrogance and embellishment....that's the style the blog's written in. I write some outlandish stories and adventures sometimes (usually grounded in some reality, but exagerrated for dramatic effect). You've noticed a few phrases I've used in this post indicating that effect - it's for entertainment. Things like "average person" or "I'd stand up to the ****** in a fight" - obviously I'm not looking for a fight. Just part of the story. Not "arrogant" or an "egotistical asshat" - just telling the story and hoping for a few smiles. I wasn't expecting as wide an audience as this, so my personal quirks in my storytelling might come off the wrong way to people not familiar with me and the writing style. (Had I known my post would be quoted in a forum such as this, I'd also have kept my language cleaner).

But I will stress that I was NOT embellishing anything about the behavior of the security people. It was rude, disrespectful, and downright threatening.

I didn't exaggerate the car deal one bit - it really zoomed up to me, braking at the last possible second. Like I said, they weren't trying to run me over - but they were trying to make me THINK they were going to run me over. It was a scare tactic. And as one astute poster pointed out - it could've been all too easy for them to miss the brakes or miscalculate and stop a few inches too late.

These guys WERE thugs. They were hired based on their intidimation factor. I'm not trying to make myself look tough by setting them up in comparison to me - I'm trying to explain what kind of rude guys you'll find.

I understand they don't want us on the set. Fine. But they don't own the parking structures nearby. And if people DO make a disturbance, then I can understand wanting them to leave (like yelling at people on the set). But plenty of people, myself included, just wanted to watch quietly from a distance. No pictures, no shouts, no nothing. (I had my camera, but the batteries were dead. And I've heard Chris Nolan doesn't want on-set photos being taken, so my main intent for the camera was just for its use in the slim possibility that Nolan came out to meet some fans and would take a picture with me. More on that later).

I wasn't asked nicely to leave. They started straight off by yelling at me and getting in my face, right from the get-go. I mentioned in my post that I wasn't going to pay them any attention once they pulled the car stunt. This is true - unless they had talked to me as one human being should talk to another (based on the car stunt, I knew this wasn't going to happen). I'm not going to ignore someone who talks to me politely - that's just downright rude. But I won't pay any attention to two thugs that threaten you with a car and start by yelling.

So what if some people were drunk one night? Or even that same night? If they don't KNOW that I'm a drunk, rowdy loudmouth, then they have no reason to ASSUME I am and treat me as such.

As for people not wanting to be watched doing their jobs - let's face it, you're in Chicago, filming a movie.

You're a guest, in a city I call home, to make a massive movie to earn you millions, which will disrupt traffic and businesses.

The least you can do is allow people to watch, from a distance.

The least you can do is treat with with respect and courtesy - not yell at them.

You're guests, in their home.

As for snoopers and spoilers - those of us who want to watch aren't being spoiled any massive plot turns. We're here for one night, while 5 minutes worth of film, total, are shot. We're not reading the script. We can't even hear the lines.

We just want to be able to see the movie in the theatres and, when we see that scene we saw last summer in real life at a distance, we want to be able to say to our friends "Hey, I saw that moment when they were filming it!"

And let's also face another fact - the fans and movie-goers are the livelihood of these filmmakers. The PAs. The security people. The extras. The stars. The director. Their income comes from our pockets - when we go to the theatre to see the movie and buy the DVDs.

So treat us with the respect we deserve. Ask us nicely to leave. And don't LIE to us about where we can watch. Tell us where is an acceptable spot.

(I added an update to the blog some of you might have missed: When on the first roof, the security guy told me the 2nd roof was OK to stand and watch on. Surprise, surprise - it wasn't, because the two guys who harassed me with the car said it wasn't OK to be on that roof (the 2nd roof), and were yelling at me when I tried to explain to them that the first security guy had given me permission).

I also want to stress that I, and all of the other people around the area that I saw, acted with the utmost respect. The kids were loud at one point (which they should've known better, and they kind of asked to get kicked off), but everybody else was quiet. We weren't taking pictures. We weren't interfering. We didn't talk to any of the crew, unless they came out and volunteered to talk to us, by initiating a conversation. We stayed out of the way of filming, watching from a discreet, respectful distance.

I didn't leave anything about about how I, or anyone else, behaved. We weren't rowdy hooligans, and even when yelled at and threatened, I kept my cool, my voice low and calm, my language clean, and my attitude respectful (for instance, I assured them I wasn't taking pictures. I asked them if there was a better place to stand if I was in the way (of the film shot or lighting or whatnot). I got nothing back but denials and threats).

I can't imagine that the filming people were too terribly annoyed by us watching from so far. And if they are a little bit, so what? That's their pet peeve - something they get uptight about with no legitimate justification for getting uptight about. They're filming in our home. If we don't actually disrupt anything, they've got a right to request nicely that we leave - but they have no right to demand or force us to leave.

And I'd also like to say - not everyone on the set was a dick. The extras were nice. Some of the crew were real nice. And I've heard Chris Nolan has come out from time to time to meet the fans and sign DVDs. (I actually stopped by Walgreens just beforehand to buy a sharpie, in the slim chance that he came out to sign DVDs again. I also brought my camera primarily for the purpose of, maybe, getting a shot of the two of us together, in case my friends didn't believe me).

But these security guys, who break the law and threaten the physical safety of others, really should be brought in line.

Like I had said earlier, no movie is worth this. Respect goes a long way, especially when you rent out a public place to use. Can you imagine a crew of three or four people going to film an independent movie at your house and you get yelled at for watching behind camera? Filmmakers need to show respect even if sometimes those that are lending their places to them don't always seem respectful. They have to. They're using your stuff.

Same goes for Chicago. They should be more respectful than this. Chicago isn't their place.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Like I had said earlier, no movie is worth this. Respect goes a long way, especially when you rent out a public place to use. Can you imagine a crew of three or four people going to film an independent movie at your house and you get yelled at for watching behind camera? Filmmakers need to show respect even if sometimes those that are lending their places to them don't always seem respectful. They have to. They're using your stuff.

Same goes for Chicago. They should be more respectful than this. Chicago isn't their place.

If you can talk about respect, I can talk about courtesy. If Nolan and co come to Chicago, you CAN impede filming by snooping around and holding things up, you're "within your right" to. But it would be a courtesy to just let the crew do their jobs. If the crew remember Chicago as being a nightmare to shoot in because of on-set nuisances, they may not come back for part 3. It is a courtesy not to spoil things for everyone else, just for the sake of individual kicks.

Courtest goes a long way too.

 

[Cowleen]

If you can talk about respect, I can talk about courtesy. If Nolan and co come to Chicago, you CAN impede filming by snooping around and holding things up, you're "within your right" to. But it would be a courtesy to just let the crew do their jobs. If the crew remember Chicago as being a nightmare to shoot in because of on-set nuisances, they may not come back for part 3. It is a courtesy not to spoil things for everyone else, just for the sake of individual kicks.

Courtest goes a long way too.

Thats what I fear most. Batman has done fantastic things for this city and I would likeit to remain that way.

 

[Hole Shot]

Im packing for college and am having to pack up all of my batman room and collection. No, not to go with me and sit in my dorm room

Your college sex life would like say thank you!