The Dark Knight Have we or they gone too far?

[Myrddin_Emrys]

This fairy tale has BS written all over it.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

some one should film these “imtimidation games” or tell a local news agency to investigate this. san diego news channel 9 (kusi) has a guy named turko who does it all the time. if we can get spy shots of the joker then we can get proof of these mafioso threats.

 

[Chucktallica101]

I'm with Director and crew on this one...he shouldn't have been spying on the project.

They are trying to make a film and keep spoilers to a minimum...it's important for a director/writers to make sure that secrecy remains...or else it'd be like taking an artists work and smashing it in front of him.

It shows NO respect to the artist by spoiling his work that he has taken great pains to work and design so that it entertains and surprises.

Precisely.

It's cool if you're going to check out production, but you should know what comes with the territory. Harassment from security guards/rent-a-cops are a part of that territory. So stop WHINING about it!

 

[wikum]

the thread title made me think of this video.

if you like funny people.... watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgxnHrDwEYw

 

[Cowleen]

Keanu Reeves.

That IS too far!

 

[frakkingoff]

Okay, you personally may have had the best of intentions, and were being completely harmless observing the production from afar.

Then I should've been left alone. And if not that, I should've been treated with respect - my safety should not have been threatened as it was.

But like I said - security have been told to get rid of you for a reason.

It doesn't matter what they've been told - breaking the law is never acceptable.

Furthermore, security might've been told to get rid of me - but that doesn't mean they have the right to.

Remember what happened when they were cool about letting people hang around nearby parking garages?

How is the actions of another relevant to how I was treated? People should deal with other people on a case by case basis (both in security and in everyday life). Just because one guy is a jerk to me on the street, it doesn't mean I should start off dealing with the next guy I see by being a jerk to him.

Yeah, security may have been jerks about telling you to leave. But how many disrespectful idiots do you think they've had to deal with before you came along? Obviously they've concluded that being nice about it wasn't getting them very far. And they're not doing it just to be jerks. There's a good reason for it.

As I described, security wasn't just "jerks." They threatened my safety in a very real, very reckless manner.

And again, just because they've dealt with jerks before, doesn't mean they have the right to do what they did to ME when I hadn't done anything wrong.

And they're not doing it just to be jerks. There's a good reason for it.

There's never a GOOD reason to threaten someone with violence. who hasn't threatened you with violence.

If you can talk about respect, I can talk about courtesy. If Nolan and co come to Chicago, you CAN impede filming by snooping around and holding things up, you're "within your right" to. But it would be a courtesy to just let the crew do their jobs. If the crew remember Chicago as being a nightmare to shoot in because of on-set nuisances, they may not come back for part 3. It is a courtesy not to spoil things for everyone else, just for the sake of individual kicks.

I wasn't impeding filming - I was watching from across the street. And I was courteous and respectful - I asked where it was I could stand (and went exactly where I was told to go - leading to the incident I've described). I asked if I was in the way of lights or a camera angle (in case I was in the deep background of the shot). I was being 100% cooperative and courteous.

Tell you what, though...next time you are "bullied" into leaving, try calling the cops. See what happens. The city of Chicago is not likely to put one person who brings nothing to the table ahead of an operation that is bringing MILLIONS to the city.

That's exactly what I should've done - called the cops. Because if a cop arrived and asked me to leave after stating which law I was breaking, I would've left (I'm not interested in breaking the law). If not, the other guys would've had nothing.
Hindsight is 20/20.

Yeah, the guards were *****. Some people are.

The guares were *****. But more than that, they were also criminal in their behavior.

I don't know, what this seems to come down to is "life isn't fair". That's true. How about that?

No, if I had walked onto the set and they asked me to leave and then I complained, then it'd be a "life isn't fair" kind of whining statement. This is another matter entirely - rights were violated and crimes were committed.

You guys got what you deserved.

First of all, I'm not one of "those guys" - I didn't take any pictures or leak big surprises to the internet. (I didn't even know Cillian Murphy was back until that photo was posted in THIS thread - serves me right for being in a spoiler forum).

And NOBODY deserves to be threatened with violence. Ever.

This fairy tale has BS written all over it

Really? How's that? All of what I described happened exactly as I described it. And I don't remember seeing you there, so I'm not sure how you'd know any better.

But if I didn't know that, objectively, I'd still say it's completely, 100% plausible. It's not as if I said "Chris Nolan came over and slapped me around a bit and said go away."

What about it has BS written all over it? What about it don't you believe, and why?

If you're going to trash someone like that, maybe you could give some explicit reasoning and examples?

It's cool if you're going to check out production, but you should know what comes with the territory. Harassment from security guards/rent-a-cops are a part of that territory. So stop WHINING about it!

Being physically threatened (which is a crime) when so far away from the set shouldn't "come with the territory." We should never have to go somewhere, perfectly legally, "expecting" to be treated as such.


I'd also like to say - part of the point of the blog post was to describe what happened with the thugs.

But another, major point was to describe my excitement at Batman being filmed here. At seeing stuff like the car with bullet holes, and the sheer thrill that comes with seeing Gordon, Dent, and Nolan arguing in front of the bat-signal.

The post was brought up on these boards with respect, specifically, to the first point, which is why my (and others') responses have focused on that.

But I don't want the other point to become completely lost in the argument - my blog post wasn't just a general complaint.

 

[Saint]

Yep. I was on the set, and suddenly a squad of freaking mercenaries appeared! Under the direction of their Nazi leader, Count Fledermaus, they dragged me to a bathroom in their secret Nazi dungeon and gave me a swirly. All the while, Nolan cackled maniacally from his throne and directed other mercenary factions to spread out across the land and burn the homes of camera-wielding fanboys. Finally, they tossed me out and said they'd come after my family if I ever returned.

 

[Sonki]

My god. That story pissed me off.

I don't care WHAT your intentions were. If you had any RESPECT for the people working on the movie you would have listened to them.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

And NOBODY deserves to be threatened with violence. Ever.

Your on private property, property that's not yours and it's kept private from you being there...their property, their rules.
You and or the others deserve what you/they got.

Someones in my backyard- who I didn't invite to be there, he better have his MJ shoes on for running.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Then I should've been left alone. And if not that, I should've been treated with respect - my safety should not have been threatened as it was.



It doesn't matter what they've been told - breaking the law is never acceptable.

Furthermore, security might've been told to get rid of me - but that doesn't mean they have the right to.



How is the actions of another relevant to how I was treated? People should deal with other people on a case by case basis (both in security and in everyday life). Just because one guy is a jerk to me on the street, it doesn't mean I should start off dealing with the next guy I see by being a jerk to him.



As I described, security wasn't just "jerks." They threatened my safety in a very real, very reckless manner.

And again, just because they've dealt with jerks before, doesn't mean they have the right to do what they did to ME when I hadn't done anything wrong.



There's never a GOOD reason to threaten someone with violence. who hasn't threatened you with violence.



I wasn't impeding filming - I was watching from across the street. And I was courteous and respectful - I asked where it was I could stand (and went exactly where I was told to go - leading to the incident I've described). I asked if I was in the way of lights or a camera angle (in case I was in the deep background of the shot). I was being 100% cooperative and courteous.



That's exactly what I should've done - called the cops. Because if a cop arrived and asked me to leave after stating which law I was breaking, I would've left (I'm not interested in breaking the law). If not, the other guys would've had nothing.
Hindsight is 20/20.



The guares were *****. But more than that, they were also criminal in their behavior.



No, if I had walked onto the set and they asked me to leave and then I complained, then it'd be a "life isn't fair" kind of whining statement. This is another matter entirely - rights were violated and crimes were committed.



First of all, I'm not one of "those guys" - I didn't take any pictures or leak big surprises to the internet. (I didn't even know Cillian Murphy was back until that photo was posted in THIS thread - serves me right for being in a spoiler forum).

And NOBODY deserves to be threatened with violence. Ever.



Really? How's that? All of what I described happened exactly as I described it. And I don't remember seeing you there, so I'm not sure how you'd know any better.

But if I didn't know that, objectively, I'd still say it's completely, 100% plausible. It's not as if I said "Chris Nolan came over and slapped me around a bit and said go away."

What about it has BS written all over it? What about it don't you believe, and why?

If you're going to trash someone like that, maybe you could give some explicit reasoning and examples?



Being physically threatened (which is a crime) when so far away from the set shouldn't "come with the territory." We should never have to go somewhere, perfectly legally, "expecting" to be treated as such.


I'd also like to say - part of the point of the blog post was to describe what happened with the thugs.

But another, major point was to describe my excitement at Batman being filmed here. At seeing stuff like the car with bullet holes, and the sheer thrill that comes with seeing Gordon, Dent, and Nolan arguing in front of the bat-signal.

The post was brought up on these boards with respect, specifically, to the first point, which is why my (and others') responses have focused on that.

But I don't want the other point to become completely lost in the argument - my blog post wasn't just a general complaint.

Look, people have explained to you why you were told to leave, and offered to explain all the logical reasons and precedent for doing so. But if you want to ignore that, and just keep on repeating your original points over and over ad nauseum, there's nowhere such a discussion can really go.

When it comes down to it, the crew can come up with a bunch of reasons as to why you SHOULDN'T have been there, regardless of how you argue against them. How many reasons can you come up with for why you SHOULD have been there? "Because I was having fun?"

 

[Gilpesh]

I wasn't impeding filming - I was watching from across the street. And I was courteous and respectful - I asked where it was I could stand (and went exactly where I was told to go - leading to the incident I've described). I asked if I was in the way of lights or a camera angle (in case I was in the deep background of the shot). I was being 100% cooperative and courteous.

You were told the other roof of the garage was alright to stand on. Then you said how the view sucked and 'sneaked' down a few floors to get a better view.

You weren't exactly where they said it was okay. So basically you just lied about your own part in this little play, meaning that there could be a few other little fibs that add together to make this story.

 

[Sun_Down]

Your on private property, property that's not yours and it's kept private from you being there...their property, their rules.
You and or the others deserve what you/they got.

Someones in my backyard- who I didn't invite to be there, he better have his MJ shoes on for running.

I'm pretty sure that the TDK crew doesn't own a public parking garage. And I don't think they were even shooting on the one he was in.

 

[hatesworking]

if its a safety matter - then you should stay where they tell you to stay surely.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I'm pretty sure that the TDK crew doesn't own a public parking garage. And I don't think they were even shooting on the one he was in.

Well once they have obtain a court ordered permit for that property, in a way its the WB's property for the time being. So if they like they can hire mean guards to keep people off of the court ordered property. <-----

Just stay off the property- it's a s simple as that, just wait till 07/18/08 to fill all your DK needs.