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HBO's Euphoria

LOL, well, no high school play ever has the production budget this one has either. But I think you just kinda have to suspend disbelief a bit for this episode.
 
Ashtray’s physical presence cracks me up. Obviously considering his upbringing and what he’s capable of, it makes sense, but it’s really something to see a 13 year old strut around like one of the dudes on The Sopranos.
 
Ashtray’s physical presence cracks me up. Obviously considering his upbringing and what he’s capable of, it makes sense, but it’s really something to see a 13 year old strut around like one of the dudes on The Sopranos.

Ashtray really annoyed me in season 1 but after that scene with Mouse at the beginning of this season, he really earned my respect haha.
 
I can understand how someone wouldn't be big fans of this episode, but I honestly loved it from beginning to end and it was worth it just to see some of the reactions from certain characters.

Suze had me dying the whole time and once again Nate got a nice comeuppance which I'll never get tired of seeing since that character rightfully deserves it, but just the direction in this episode alone was captivating enough to me.

They really stepped their game up this season in terms of the style and visuals of this show and that last terrifying shot Cassie behind that school door is going to haunt me for a while lol.

I am genuinely worried that something bad might happen to Fezco though which I hope isn't the case because he's one of my favorite characters in this show right now and it would suck to lose him this early.
 
I. Love. Lexi's. Mom!

And definitely want to see Ethan's flashbacks next season.

And I don't want anybody to die. Especially Fez. Please, don't kill him!!!
 
Loved the reference at the end.

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I still can’t fathom that they’ve been shooting the whole season (and those 2x “Christmas episodes”) on film.
 
Still one episode left, but here's my list of what I want to see next season:

1) Kat. Please, for the love of God give Kat a decent storyline next year.

2) Jules. Give her a storyline that is more about her than Rue.

3) Elliot's flashbacks.

4) Ali's flashbacks.

5) Ethan's flashbacks.

6) A little bit more of Maddy cuz I love her.
 
Speaking of Maddy… any theories on where this weird story with her and Minka Kelly is going?
 
Speaking of Maddy… any theories on where this weird story with her and Minka Kelly is going?
At first I did think there was a possible affair happening. Now I think Minka's character just sees herself in Maddy and wanna help. Maybe she'll be the one opening Maddy's eyes and helping her get over a toxic relationship.

But this is Euphoria, so... maybe there will be more to it.
 
At first I did think there was a possible affair happening. Now I think Minka's character just sees herself in Maddy and wanna help. Maybe she'll be the one opening Maddy's eyes and helping her get over a toxic relationship.

But this is Euphoria, so... maybe there will be more to it.

You could be right. I hope they don’t hook up though. I think Maddy is supposed to be under 18 so that would just make it all kinds of icky.
 
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Ok, now my turn.

Euphoria has botheres me a few times with stuff I consider a little homophobic or transphobic. Don't know if anybody felt the same. But I'm not going to get to that (I'm not even trans, can't speak for them). And I obviously enjoy the show.

But my question to you guys is: what are your thoughts on Nate, his sexuality and demons? Because I've seen multiple times people bringing him up as gay, and that's wild to me. Jules is a girl.
 
Ok, now my turn.

Euphoria has botheres me a few times with stuff I consider a little homophobic or transphobic. Don't know if anybody felt the same. But I'm not going to get to that (I'm not even trans, can't speak for them). And I obviously enjoy the show.

But my question to you guys is: what are your thoughts on Nate, his sexuality and demons? Because I've seen multiple times people bringing him up as gay, and that's wild to me. Jules is a girl.

This is an interesting point. And yeah, I do wonder a bit about how all of this is handled. On one hand, the locker room dance scene was hilarious and a fun mockery of how homoerotic jock culture actually can be. On the other hand though, Nate isn’t completely wrong in calling the performance homophobic; Lexi and Ethan at least are heterosexual (I think) so one could argue that they shouldn’t be the ones to be putting on such a flamboyant portrayal of queerness. Likewise, Sam Levinson (again, I think) is heterosexual, so you could also argue that he should at the very least be inviting LGBTQ+ people into the writer’s room when crafting such a scene.

Now as for Nate himself, this is an interesting and perhaps more nuanced question. Jules is a girl, so yeah, his attraction to her doesn’t mean that he’s gay or even bi/Pansexual. However, he found her on a gay dating app, so it’s possible that he originally went on their due to some bi curiosity. I guess he could have only went on the app to intentionally find her but it seems like a bit of a stretch that he just somehow knew she would be there.

And then of course you have the scenes of Nate watching his dad’s homemade gay porn films and that dream sequence with his dad in this episode. I’m not sure what that all really means yet. The implications of it though are disturbing.

All in all, I think Nate is probably pansexual, or at least curious about it. But maybe not. Maybe it’s just Jules that he’s into, and like you said, she’s a girl. But it’s possible that Levinson is delving into some territory here that he doesn’t truly understand. I’m not sure yet.
 
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Ok, now my turn.

Euphoria has botheres me a few times with stuff I consider a little homophobic or transphobic. Don't know if anybody felt the same. But I'm not going to get to that (I'm not even trans, can't speak for them). And I obviously enjoy the show.

But my question to you guys is: what are your thoughts on Nate, his sexuality and demons? Because I've seen multiple times people bringing him up as gay, and that's wild to me. Jules is a girl.

While Jules is a girl, she's also trans and likely hasn't fully transitioned yet. They seem to be making it out like Nate is gay but id say he's more bisexual with a possible preference towards men. His anger at having to repress the feelings seem legit considering how he was raised.
 
Ok, now my turn.

Euphoria has botheres me a few times with stuff I consider a little homophobic or transphobic. Don't know if anybody felt the same. But I'm not going to get to that (I'm not even trans, can't speak for them). And I obviously enjoy the show.

But my question to you guys is: what are your thoughts on Nate, his sexuality and demons? Because I've seen multiple times people bringing him up as gay, and that's wild to me. Jules is a girl.
I seem to recall the gay stuff coming up after Maddy found all the dick pics on his phone in S1. Before this last episode (which I think was more an attempt to poke holes in his hyper-masculine schtick), the only time I think it came up in connection with Jules is when she herself called him a f***** after he started blackmailing her.
 
This is an interesting point. And yeah, I do wonder a bit about how all of this is handled. On one hand, the locker room dance scene was hilarious and a fun mockery of how homoerotic jock culture actually can be. On the other hand though, Nate isn’t completely wrong in calling the performance homophobic; Lexi and Ethan at least are heterosexual (I think) so one could argue that they shouldn’t be the ones to be putting on such a flamboyant portrayal of queerness. Likewise, Sam Levinson (again, I think) is heterosexual, so you could also argue that he should at the very least be inviting LGBTQ+ people into the writer’s room when crafting such a scene.
I think the fact that Nate said that play was homophobic, it means Levinson at least is aware of the implications that scene has.

And yeah, I also don't think Nate is 100% wrong in calling that homophobic.

However, he found her on a gay dating app, so it’s possible that he originally went on their due to some bi curiosity.
I mean, Nate seems to be aware of his father's activities, so maybe he knew it was through that app that Cal had his encounters.

And then of course you have the scenes of Nate watching his dad’s homemade gay porn films and that dream sequence with his dad in this episode.

Those are 2 different things. Let's start with finding his dad's porn. He was 8 years old, if I remember correctly, so that was probably his first contact with sex. And it was through that violent and aggressive videos. Making people gag and vomit, and god knows what else. And it wasn't just watching his father having violent sex, which sounds dramatic enough, it was witnessing him cheating on his mom.

I once read about kids who found out about one of their parent's affair and had to keep that a secret. That alone can do some really big damages. So I can't even process all the consequences that had on Nate.

The other thing is his dream sequence. He's dreaming with a person who at first is Maddy, then changes to Jules, then changes to Cassie being in that exact same situation of abuse that Jules was, and then this person becomes Nate.

I once read about dreams, and dreaming with sex is not what most people think. It doesn't necessarily means you're attracted to that person in your dream. It actually has a lot of connections to power. And that makes sense when you look back at that disturbing scene at the S01 finale, with both Cal and Nate fighting in the room.

But my guess is that it means that Nate feels abused by his father. Not sexually abused, but emotionally.

While Jules is a girl, she's also trans and likely hasn't fully transitioned yet. They seem to be making it out like Nate is gay but id say he's more bisexual with a possible preference towards men.

Jules being trans or not having SRS doesn't change things. Nate wouldn't be gay, bi or pan simply for being attracted to Jules exactly how she is. He would be straight.

I don't rule out the possibility of Nate being gay or bi/pan and deeply repressing it. Or being confused about it, but it doesn't have to do with Jules.

On a side note, you did brought up an interesting thing when you mentioned "fully transition". In her special episode, Jules talks about possibly stopping hormone (which shows hormone therapy and SRS don't define gender), but unfortunately Jules's relationship with feminity and her identity as trans was apparently a storyline Levinson dropped, sadly.

I seem to recall the gay stuff coming up after Maddy found all the dick pics on his phone in S1.

Yeah, he seems to have this obsession which I particularly don't fully understand yet.

Anyway, I'll still put more thoughts on Nate.
 
Well damn, I was just watching an old episode of Always Sunny and it turns out Cassie’s mom is Frank’s Pretty Woman.
 
Well damn, I was just watching an old episode of Always Sunny and it turns out Cassie’s mom is Frank’s Pretty Woman.
She was also Marcia’s lesbian friend on The Brady Bunch Movie. Plus a buttload of voice acting parts.
 
I miss the musics from S01.
 
I miss the musics from S01.

Needle drops or Labrinth’s score? You know he changed it up this season… even though he’s been dropping homages/clips of past songs, like All For Us in s02e06.
 
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