Heroes: When did it get bad for you?

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[GL1]

For me it was from episode 1 of season 2. Tim Kring had made a statement over the summer about the show expanding in both cast and scope, that Volume 2 would not necessarily be about these same characters. Between that idea being betrayed for fanwanking, and Nathan and Matt being alive, beyond any shred of credibility, I knew it was going downhill. I knew it was inferior and I was pretty sure it'd just keep getting worse. I wasn't wrong. When the paintings were revealed to revolve around Noah rather than the old heads, I realized how far the show had fallen and why.

It wasn't until it Vol 3 that I thought that it was unredeemable. When powers were revealed to be manufactured. I knew the writers had been replaced with drunken monkeys and their PCs with typewriters. The fact that the show is not only improving and tying up storylines, but following up on old threads and heading someplace promising is, honestly, somewhat miraculous.

 

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[Deaths Head II]

Volume 3 for me. I still enjoyed Volume 2 despite it's faults but Volume 3 was just unbearable for me. It just ruined so many characters and the plot was a complete mess. I thought the show had jumped the shark for good, but thankfully Volume 4 really helped.

 

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[JPC4]

The start of Volume 3 when they p!ssed on the whole "activating evolution theory" and instead implemented the man-made ability serum. They pretty much crapped on alot of the viral stuff that helped spark our imagination.

 

[GhostPoet]

I thought the last season wasn't that good....but other than that. I've enjoyed all the seasons...especially this one, which I feel is right up there with the first season.

 

[BoredGuy]

I thought season 2 blew, as did the beginning of this season, but volume 4 (the current one) should be called "Redemption", cuz thats what it's been...

 

[MaxG]

Volume 2 for me was ok not great, I think Volume 3 was when Heroes started to get really bad, But heroes is starting to get better with Volume 4.

 

[Milu]

For me, the big wallbangers began with the discovery of a third Niki personality and the elaborated death of DL.

I would've been satisfied with DL suffering mortal wounds at the hands of Sylar, but nooooooo, they just had to make him go out like a chump at the hands of some, er, chump.

And Niki's third personality . . . nuff' said!

 

[Ryudoz]

The moment Sylar got his powers back.

 

[shoelessthunder]

For me, Volume 3 did it, but not right away...
They originally developed a few cool ideas...
The moment where it lost me was in between Hiro stabbing Ando and us not knowing what actually happened (though if you weren't ******ed, what actually happened was pretty much your only guess...), and us finding out that he simply used his power to stop time and teleport.
It was going from "Aw, snap, they dug up Adam, this is gonna be cool!"
To "What? Adam got knocked out by Knox..."
"What? Hiro and Ando are going to Africa..."
'WHAT?! ADAM IS DEAD?! THIS VOLUME SUCKS!"
Last straw kinda deal.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

For me the first early warning sign was season 1's complete dud of a finale.
Like lot's of people, i'd been watching and enjoying s1 on the assumption that it was all going to come together in a really *****in' final super-powered confrontation... Instead we got a badly coreographed 2 minute scuffle that ended on an incredibly, unsatisfying, confusing note.


It was all down hill from there.

 

[GL1]

It wasnt originally going to be about the same characters? Do you have an article on that?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=266946
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=40354

Tim Kring, creator of NBC's hit series Heroes, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming second season will constitute a new volume in the multi-volume series, with new characters and an entirely new storyline. "If you remember, the opening of the pilot pronounced the episode as the beginning of Volume One," Kring said in an interview. "Volume One comes to a conclusion at the end of episode 23, and Volume Two starts with the opening of season two. And Volume Two is a different story."

Kring added: "We could have new people and new storylines and new ideas and new threats and new bad guys and new heroes. So I would prepare the audience for that idea, that it's not just a continuing serialized storyline about only these people. It's a little more the 24 model than the Lost model."

The first season of Heroes is exploring what happens when a disparate group of ordinary people discover they have extraordinary abilities and attempt to save New York from disaster.

"Heroes needs to evolve, and if we are positing an idea that this is happening all over the world to many, many people, then we get to see some of those people and see how their story fits in."

Kring also confirmed that some of the current heroes just might not survive this season, but added: "Many of your favorites will live to fight again."

It was one interview, but it definitely shows that Kring was not preparing to have every single one of the characters survive into the next season. Of course, we now know that Kring became no longer involved creatively on the show, and that killed that. And so then we had 2 and half volumes of suckitude.

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As far as the Kirby Plaza climax goes, it was, honestly, simply not well planned out logistically. They didn't need to have a huge superbrawl, but the needed something similarly epic with all this crash-like storyline fusion. A chance for everyone there to use their powers once or twice. They didn't do that... they spent more time on Company Man, and it showed. Its sad, but that's what happened.

 

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[November Rain]

episode 1 season 2

kring is a one hit wonder, it's quite clear he had no real idea what he was doing when he started going down the whole virus thing

it seemed far too reminiscent to an x-men plot device. It also lost a lot of its coicidental spark to its story telling

 

[Gilpesh]

For me the first early warning sign was season 1's complete dud of a finale.
Like lot's of people, i'd been watching and enjoying s1 on the assumption that it was all going to come together in a really *****in' final super-powered confrontation... Instead we got a badly coreographed 2 minute scuffle that ended on an incredibly, unsatisfying, confusing note.


It was all down hill from there.

Nail. Head.


And then the way they resolved most of the hanging threads from the first season... didn't really help.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, that was around when I started losing interest. Around the third episode of Season 2 was when I stopped giving a damn, and the second Episode of the Fugitives thing is when I just stopped watching entirely. I'm watching Two and a Half Men instead of Heroes. That's where I'm at now.

 

[SuperT]

The first four or five episodes of Villains was good, but I think it all fell apart around the episode where they killed off Adam. Then it went downhill drastically from there.

 

[The Geek Vault]

Honestly the show hasn't been that bad for me until the latest episode with the flashbacks and the sister. The whole episode just hurt to watch, the dialog was horrible acting was horrible and the whole plot seemed cliche.

 

[GL1]

I appreciate your honesty. Where have you seen the plot from 1961 before?

 

[KevanG]

I appreciate your honesty. Where have you seen the plot from 1961 before?

The X-Men comics, days of future past, or just see the history of the world for similarities. But the writers really seem to like X-men/marvel, as they keep using stories from it.

Registration act for people with abilities, camps for special folks, legacy/shanti virus that kills/depowers people with abilities, ect...

I suppose for stories dealing with people with superpowers it's easier to use marvel stories than DC as they have huge events that span the whole world/galaxy most times and marvel tends to have some smaller based ones, sometimes anyway.

 

[Gilpesh]

I appreciate your honesty. Where have you seen the plot from 1961 before?

Probably talking about the long lost sister thing. Where a new relative just pops up out of nowhere as if they never had the character in mind until they just decided they needed someone else to be evil. Like the reverse brother Chuck syndrome.

 

[KingOfMars]

around the point in season 2 where peter and caitlen travel to the future to find 90% of the worlds population dead from the shanti virus, it became obvious the second season was a watered down retread of season 1.