Hippie Hunter Sez Week One: "My Eyes Have Been Opened"

[War Lord]

Watch it and see for yourself that it is not propaganda. Farenheit 911 on the other hand....

It's propaganda, very clever propaganda.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

So what do you do?
I'm a Junk Scientist.

 

[War Lord]

So what do you do?
I'm a Junk Scientist.

I've got my tv, computer, and light on.

I'm an energy hog.

 

[DarthRekal]

1) We wouldn't be anywhere near Iraq, 'cause Iraq was on P.N.A.C.'s "to-do" list and Sauron Hussein had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11.

2) I'd be able to watch the state of the union addresses, not that I wouldn't mock the president for being such a stiff dweeb, but rather, I'd physically be able to watch 'cause Al Gore paid attention when they were diagraming sentences in 7th grade.

3) Everything would still be effed up, but in ways that actually make some sort of sense

4) Tipper would probably gain 15-20 pounds. Al wouldn't've grown a beard.

5) We would've never had a Prez get called "El Diablo"

6) The Hype boards would blow up every time he did something stupid, evil or wrong.

 

[bored]

It's propaganda, very clever propaganda.

Have you seen it?

 

[cryptic name]

1) We wouldn't be anywhere near Iraq, 'cause Iraq was on P.N.A.C.'s "to-do" list and Sauron Hussein had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11.

2) I'd be able to watch the state of the union addresses, not that I wouldn't mock the president for being such a stiff dweeb, but rather, I'd physically be able to watch 'cause Al Gore paid attention when they were diagraming sentences in 7th grade.

3) Everything would still be effed up, but in ways that actually make some sort of sense

4) Tipper would probably gain 15-20 pounds. Al wouldn't've grown a beard.

5) We would've never had a Prez get called "El Diablo"

6) The Hype boards would blow up every time he did something stupid, evil or wrong.

the only thing that would be different is jon stewart and stephen colbert wouldn't have as big of a career. so it would've been worse if gore had won

 

[War Lord]

Have you seen it?

No, but I've seen films like it from the 70's with the predictable doom and gloom and same failure.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Don't judge until you've seen it

 

[Matt]

I don't get a lot of the politics surrounding global warming. Even if there is even the tiniest risk that it can destroy the world, why not take every step to prevent it?

 

[HellOnEarth]

OAKLAND, Calif. - Krazy George Henderson has spent the last quarter-century trying to persuade everyone that he debuted the "Wave" during an Oakland Athletics' playoff game against the Yankees — not those Washington football fans who claim the Huskies first performed the now famous cheer.

Debate aside, the Wave is 25 years old and still going strong.

"It's been really interesting," Krazy George said in a phone interview from his home in New Rochelle, N.Y. "I see it at the Olympics. There's a video of Fidel Castro doing it. If it had actually originated in New York at a Yankees game, they would have thought it was sent by the gods."

Krazy George, now 62, says he spent three years perfecting the Wave. He first pulled off the move — in which fans take turns, by section, standing up and waving their arms — on Oct. 15, 1981, at the Yankees-A's AL championship series game in the Coliseum. Washington, meanwhile, did it two weeks later, on Oct. 31.

Former Husky yell leader Robb Weller had returned to campus for a homecoming game against Stanford. He began a vertical version of the Wave in the '70s, but first did the horizontal Wave that day.

Officials at Washington acknowledge Krazy George as being first, but what they are certain of is that the Huskies popularized the cheer. It soon caught on at a Seattle Seahawks game, too.

It took a year and a half, according to Krazy George, for the Huskies to fess up that they'd seen the Wave on television and given it their own twist. Good thing, too, because he has the proof on tape: The Wave was part of the A's 1981 highlight video shown to potential season ticket holders for the following year.

"That's the best-kept lie in the last 25 years. But now, most of the world recognizes me," Krazy George said. "Their theory is that they came up with it in 30 seconds! 'Oh, we just thought it up.'

"They kept doing it the whole football season and of course they were a big national football power with a big budget. I tell everyone to call Seattle and get their side of the story. It's like a war with me."

Krazy George, known best by that name and for pounding his drum in stadiums across the United States, is a California native who moved north to Napa from Southern California at age 17. He left for New York three years ago.

A former high school shop teacher, Krazy George's lone job the last 30 years has been as a for-hire cheerleader — working all of about three hours a week. Yes, that's it. He averages one game every seven days.

In that first Wave game, the Yankees eliminated the A's 4-0 to reach the World Series. Dave Righetti, now the San Francisco Giants' pitching coach, was the winning pitcher. A crowd of 47,302 was on hand for the first Wave.

"We put it on the map in 1981," said Shooty Babitt, a rookie on the '81 A's. "A lot of people wish the Wave would go away now. A lot of people don't understand when you should do it. ... The new-age fan doesn't understand where the Wave originated. But Krazy George still looks the same today as he did 25 years ago."

Krazy George is a well-known figure at sporting venues, especially in the Bay Area. Mostly bald with blond curls above his ears, he wears his striped athletic socks pulled up and always has a drum in hand.

He has been featured in national magazines and TV programs and has several upcoming interviews with international publications.

That game in Oakland was the biggest crowd yet for Krazy George, who had tried the cheer a couple of times at high school rallies.

A simpler version originated at San Jose State several years earlier. Krazy George would call for the three student sections to chant — one word for each group — "San!" "Jose!" "State!" He would point to each section signaling those students' turn.

He also did something similar for the former Colorado Rockies hockey team, using "Go! Rockies! Go!" But it didn't work so well with only 5,000 fans in the seats many nights.

He knows there are plenty of fans out there who refuse to participate or become grumpy when their view of the game gets briefly blocked.

"There are always a few people," he said.

So, in an era when fads tend to fade quickly in sports, fashion and technology, why has the Wave stood the test of time?

"As a professional cheerleader, I know why I do it: What it does is intensify the energy of the crowd," Krazy George said. "It's almost like an accomplishment. It's their own competition, like a contest or video game. You have to participate to make it work. It takes 95 percent of fans doing it to make it great."

Krazy George says he last got into it with Washington about the Wave before the 20th anniversary. Over the years, he has called the university's athletic director and president, not to mention newspapers and TV stations.

The way things are going, the Wave will carry on long enough for the lore to continue.

"You can start a wave but nobody can stop one," Krazy George said. "The only way it stops is if something exciting happens on the field."

Hip Hip Hurray!!

 

[hippie_hunter]

1) We wouldn't be anywhere near Iraq, 'cause Iraq was on P.N.A.C.'s "to-do" list and Sauron Hussein had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11.

1. Regime change in Iraq was a policy started by the Clinton Administration. It was stated in the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.

2. Who's Sauron Hussein?

2) I'd be able to watch the state of the union addresses, not that I wouldn't mock the president for being such a stiff dweeb, but rather, I'd physically be able to watch 'cause Al Gore paid attention when they were diagraming sentences in 7th grade.

You wouldn't watch it no matter who's in power. Nobody does. They're boring and the interupt normal TV such as Family Guy pissing everyone off.

3) Everything would still be effed up, but in ways that actually make some sort of sense

Agreed.

4) Tipper would probably gain 15-20 pounds. Al wouldn't've grown a beard.

Al looked cool with a beard.

5) We would've never had a Prez get called "El Diablo"

1. That was Hugo Chavez, he would have still called the American President the Devil because he hates the United States.

2. Calling Bush the Devil in the United Nations was one of the reasons that cost him a seat in the Security Council (the other being his reasons for wanting one). Chavez didn't get away with calling Bush the Devil, he payed for it dearly.

6) The Hype boards would blow up every time he did something stupid, evil or wrong.

Things will never change

 

[hippie_hunter]

Hip Hip Hurray!!

What did that have to do with anything

 

[Maxwell Smart]

Freewheelin' Franklin sez: Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.

I just found the title of this thread ironic, considering it reminds me of the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, and this topic was made by HIPPIE_hunter.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Al Gore says watch his movie or Manbearpig will come after you.

 

[War Lord]

I don't get a lot of the politics surrounding global warming. Even if there is even the tiniest risk that it can destroy the world, why not take every step to prevent it?

Because it may be an entire waste of time. If the main impetus is the sun, as I believe, there's nothing I can do to prevent it.

Anything we do has the tiniest risk of destroying the world, so why do anything at all? Farting itself has the tiniest risk of destroying the world, so by your reasoning, I should hold everything in.

 

[The Lizard]

^ But isn't it a bit convenient that deciding that reducing greenhouse emissions is just a "waste of time" would benefit big businesses who have a history of caring more about their bottom line than anything else?

It has been historically proven that the path of least resistance is often a selfish and lazy one that ends up having negative results. Even if the US were to adopt something along the lines of the Kyoto Protocol and we saw no results over the next decade or so, there would still be less pollution in the world as a result.

I kind of see this as being similar to teaching schoolkids sexual abstinence in addition to birth control. There's no guarantee it will work, but even if it works a little, its worth all the trouble.

 

[Matt]

^ But isn't it a bit convenient that deciding that reducing greenhouse emissions is just a "waste of time" would benefit big businesses who have a history of caring more about their bottom line than anything else?

It has been historically proven that the path of least resistance is often a selfish and lazy one that ends up having negative results. Even if the US were to adopt something along the lines of the Kyoto Protocol and we saw no results over the next decade or so, there would still be less pollution in the world as a result.

I kind of see this as being similar to teaching schoolkids sexual abstinence in addition to birth control. There's no guarantee it will work, but even if it works a little, its worth all the trouble.

Exactly

 

[DV8]

of all people, Al Gore turned hippie hunter into a tree lovin, hacky-sack playin enviro-buff . . . get a dam haircut!

j/k . . . seriously, we need to do something about this issue . . . and did anyone read the recent article regarding the squandering of the world's resources? According to a recent study, we'll be cashed out of vital resources by 2050 . . . . the past 2 generations were somewhat aware of this problem and did nothing . . . we can't keep assuming that this shyt will 'fix itself' . . . something drastic has to change NOW . . .

 

[War Lord]

^ But isn't it a bit convenient that deciding that reducing greenhouse emissions is just a "waste of time" would benefit big businesses who have a history of caring more about their bottom line than anything else?

It has been historically proven that the path of least resistance is often a selfish and lazy one that ends up having negative results. Even if the US were to adopt something along the lines of the Kyoto Protocol and we saw no results over the next decade or so, there would still be less pollution in the world as a result.

I kind of see this as being similar to teaching schoolkids sexual abstinence in addition to birth control. There's no guarantee it will work, but even if it works a little, its worth all the trouble.

It's as much a coincidence that trying to do anything without knowing which way to go is simply a waste of time and benefits activists who want people to live their way, despite no real benefit gained from it.

The fact is also that in developed countries, people are producing less pollution than we used to. The US, for example, is producing about 30% less pollution (or so) per person since 1990 without trying to live the economic wasteland that Kyoto is promising, thanks to technological developments.

Kyoto isn't going to solve anything, but technological developments will.

 

[hippie_hunter]

of all people, Al Gore turned hippie hunter into a tree lovin, hacky-sack playin enviro-buff . . . get a dam haircut!

I hate hacky sac, and I just got a hair cut on Monday.

 

[hippie_hunter]

It's as much a coincidence that trying to do anything without knowing which way to go is simply a waste of time and benefits activists who want people to live their way, despite no real benefit gained from it.

The fact is also that in developed countries, people are producing less pollution than we used to. The US, for example, is producing about 30% less pollution (or so) per person since 1990 without trying to live the economic wasteland that Kyoto is promising, thanks to technological developments.

Kyoto isn't going to solve anything, but technological developments will.

Kyoto isn't going to solve anything because it exempts China and India from doing any significant action. China is so badly polluted these days it's not even funny. When I was there, you couldn't even see if sky was blue in Beijing because the smog got so bad. It smells bad in certain areas. Rivers are drying up. China is on the verge of overtaking the United States as the world's largest polluter, and what makes it even worse is that they are doing nothing about it.

 

[Kaleb]

Im deciding between this film and little miss sunshine tommorow

 

[bored]

No, but I've seen films like it from the 70's with the predictable doom and gloom and same failure.

So you haven't seen it, but you've seen other films from thirty years ago on the same subject, and therefore you can judge?

 

[jaguarr]

of all people, Al Gore turned hippie hunter into a tree lovin, hacky-sack playin enviro-buff . . . get a dam haircut!

j/k . . . seriously, we need to do something about this issue . . . and did anyone read the recent article regarding the squandering of the world's resources? According to a recent study, we'll be cashed out of vital resources by 2050 . . . . the past 2 generations were somewhat aware of this problem and did nothing . . . we can't keep assuming that this shyt will 'fix itself' . . . something drastic has to change NOW . . .

Dammit, man! There are Pokemon figures and George Foreman Grills to be made! We don't have time for this nonsense!

jag

 

[War Lord]

So you haven't seen it, but you've seen other films from thirty years ago on the same subject, and therefore you can judge?

Propaganda is nothing new and never really changes in intent.