Transformers Holy ****!!!i got an e-mail from Don Murphy

[Nebins]

Two years ago? Try months ago. Heck, the "Optimus Prime has to be 50 feet tall that's why we need to make him a long nose" thing happened just a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah but Bay said that not DM. Anyway all I'm saying is give the guys the benefit of the doubt. No one goes out to intentionally screw up a movie.

 

[nosebleed.]

Yeah but Bay said that not DM. Anyway all I'm saying is give the guys the benefit of the doubt. No one goes out to intentionally screw up a movie.

I'll give them my money when the movie comes out...they'll get that. More than once? That depends on the quality of the film.

They might not be out there intentionally trying to screw up a movie, but they are out there changing characters designs to make money off of new toys.

 

[CFlash]

Yeah but Bay said that not DM. Anyway all I'm saying is give the guys the benefit of the doubt. No one goes out to intentionally screw up a movie.

I used to think that. Like Singer poured his heart into Supes... and a lot folks hated it (I loved it). I can understand that. It's gotta be hard sometimes for filmmakers to "walk the line" with these franchises.

But Don Murphy is an entirely different creature. The man is quite disturbed. He's got quite the "rep" in Hollywood. And I have first hand experience with his lunacy on his boards. I know FOR A FACT he makes posts under different names to rile people up or get people banned that don't fall in line. The guy is certifiable.

And, as for "no one goes out to intentionally screw up a movie"...
I'm sure a lot of League of Extraordinary Gents fans who would say otherwise (he Produced that movie too).

 

[The Kid]

You should send him a picture of what Megatron actually looks like as a prize.

YOU HAVE JUST MADE ME DROP MY TEA I WAS LAUGHING SO HARD. I hate you.

 

[Masut]

 

[Shinobi Rendar]

He strikes Back!!!!

 

[Shinobi Rendar]

HAHA more proof

http://www.d13satellite.com/donmurphy/showthread.php?threadid=13804

 

[Masut]

lol. I'd never heard of Don Murphy until Transformers. I am intrigued by this whole shennanigan. I still think anyone in Hollywood who takes the time to talk to fans on the net (friendly chats or insults alike) is 'AN HERO' . When I picture Murphy, I picture Captain Murphy from SeaLab 2021. I don't know why. Perhaps because they are both "Murphy's"

Yes, I intentionally spelt it 'an hero'. For those of you not familiar with 4Chan.org

 

[Hotwire]

They might not be out there intentionally trying to screw up a movie, but they are out there changing characters designs to make money off of new toys.

Just like every movie out there that had a toy line follow it around. Even if the designs were 100% faithful to G1, they (Hasbro) would be putting out new "Transfromers The Movie" toys. Just like Marvel put out movie versions of it's X-Men and Spider-Man toys. The same way DC put out movie versions of their Batman and Superman toys. I think that's just a point you're going to have to accept.

 

[xwolverine2]

what happened?

 

[Bug-Eyed Earl]

The problem with a producer going public and intereacting with the fans and the message boards, Don specifically, is that early in the project he probably had a lot of expectations himself about the faithfulness, hence all the promises.

Then more producers got on board.

The the COO of Hasbro came on board as a producer.

Then they signed Michael Bay.

With that many cooks in the kitchen, plans can change.

I think Don takes crap way too personally, but as a member of his board, I've noticed that he doesn't mind so much people griping, but fans acting like they represent the entire community, and impotently shouting that they will boycott based on some pictures. And he just wants us to be productive and intelligent about our criticisms, as there is still a ton of negativity on his boards that he doesn't seem to mind.

 

[The Guard]

No qualms there...he said they would be faithful to the mythology. BUT, we have YET to see if this is true because we don't know enough about the true plot yet.

Actually, we do. You assuming they haven't been faithful at all to the mythology because you haven't read the script or discovered the story is pretty much your fault.

I am not going to read the script because I do not want to be that spoiled, but I'm not bashing the story yet...just a couple of the designs...and I've stated that over and over again. I just FEAR for the story.

You won't read the script, but you will make assumptions about what is/isn't in it without doing so? The story is this: Transformers, giant robot beings from a war-torn world who can transform, come to Earth, meet human beings, ally with humans to stop evil Decepticons and prevent them from taking control of Energon. Does that sound like the basic concept of Transformers to you? Because it sure as hell does to me.

I don't see dinosaur but I should...seeing as how in G1 they crashed on earth millions of years ago.

Yes, in the cartoon. This is a movie. It is less faithful to the LETTER of the mythos, but not to the story mechanics of it. Transformers still come to Earth from Cybertron and space.

And tell me, where is the Energon Cube in G1? Ohhh...you mean matrix of leadership?

No, I mean Energon, cube or otherwise. Energon is in the story, and energon is fairly important part of the Transformers mythology. According to every source I can find (and the show), Energon was involved in G1 and several other generations to boot.

Hey, I'm not the one that said things I couldn't deliver...yeah yeah yeah, he didn't say, "I PROMISE you Bumblebee will be a VW" but he pretty much is in line with Bush saying there would be WMDs in Iraq.

It's not remotely similar. Many people other than Bush said there would be WMD's. Don Murphy was stating personal opinions and wants, not a government backed lie.

You put so much emphasis on the fact that he didn't say the actual word "promise" that you're ignoring that that is pretty much what he did.

Promise: an express assurance on which expectation is to be based:

He didn't assure anyone of it, though. He said "We're working on it". Which assures you that they're working on it, and that it's a concern, not that it will happen. "I want him to be a bug" is not "He WILL be a bug".

Gee, I sure did expect a VW based on his assurance that "Bumblebee HAS to be a bug". That seems pretty black and white to me.

A cautiously optimistic statement about working on a car company to get the licensing neccessary for Bumblebee to be a bug seems black and white to you?

The point is, he assured a lot of things that he couldn't deliver...no problem if only he'd own up to not delivering.

Except that he didn't assure it. He essentially said "If we have our way, this is what will happen".

Just because these characters have the same names as G1 does not make them so.

Wow, what profound insight. Just like calling the character in BATMAN BEGINS "Ra's Al Ghul" doesn't make him exactly like his comic counterpart, calling Optimus Prime "Optimus Prime" doesn't make him EXACTLY like his comic and show counterparts. But that's not the point.

The point is, the characters have elements from their comic and show counterparts that make them pretty damn recognizable as those characters. Optimus Prime is the instantly recognizable leader. Ratchet is the medical officer. Bumblebee is the loyal, somewhat human robot making alliances with humans, and even making friends. Ironhide is the military/right hand man type. Megatron is the evil Decepticon ruler who sneers at all that is decent. Starscream is his somewhat two-faced right hand man.

Based on G1 and being G1 are two different things. It seems to me that YOU are reading between the lines and perhaps trying to grasp at straws a little too hard. The man said it in black and white, "The characters will be G1 Marvel and Cartoon". I'm posting what he actually said...you are posting what you think he meant...I'm not the one speculating here.

Go ask Don Murphy what he meant. That will pretty much end the speculation.

Translation: I have mindlinked with Don Murphy and these are his exact thoughts on the subject.

All it takes is a little common sense to figure out what he meant. Had I been around here back then, I'd have cautioned you all not to assume he meant to expect a literal translation of the show and the comics, as I did with Chris Nolan's BATMAN BEGINS when Nolan and Goyer starting talking about faithfulness, which, surprise surprise, turned out to be not a literal translation of the comics and the mythos. Or really even that close beyond the basics, which TRANSFORMERS seems to have nailed.

Your translation of what another human being is actually thinking when his statements are pretty black and white shows me that you believe in his, Bays and the production's spin tactics.

A spin tactic, as you put it, is often nothing more than the simple truth that some disgruntled fanboy chooses to whine about because he's not getting what he wants. You're mad because he won't admit to lying, when it's entirely possible he didn't begin to mislead you.

Sure, he would say that now but I guaran-frikkin-tee you that if you asked him back in October of 04, "Are you damn sure that everything will be G1?" he would've said, "I said they would be didn't I?". See...I can speculate too.

That's nice. Too bad he never said that.

edit: do you post on DM boards?

Nope.

Where's the "mythology" in any example you gave? Aside from Autobots vs Decepticons basis (Good Guys vs Bad Guys... that's any comic book movie). But where's The Ark? Teletran 1? Siphoning Earth natural resources for energy.

This isn't STAR WARS. The Ark is not in the film because it's not relevant to the overall plot, which is Transformers arriving in the present day. What would be the point of having a giant space battle between the Ark and the Nemesis? So the movie Transformers could be compared to Star Wars? Thundercats? As for Teletran 1, that's about the lamest plot device ever. Oh, the computer will conveniently make the robots look like cars to blend in. Since the things are Transformers, it makes a lot more sense that they can just...transform. Siphoning Earth's natural resources for energy is a plot point that has been done to death in "invasion" movies. Using energon to create technology to conquer Earth (Since Megatron is about conquering things) is not.

It's like making X-Men and leaving out Cerebro and the whole "Human prejudice against Mutants" subplot.

No it's not. Making a mov ie about Transformers without them being able to transform or a movie where Autobots and Decepticons didn't hate each other would be like that.

The Ark in the mountain? To this day I look at places and I wonder "wow! what if a spaceship is buried under there." That's mythology! No, it's not in the movie (AFAIK).

Who cares?

Also, you mention Cybertron... well, Cybertron is suppossed to have been destroyed long ago in the movie. As to whether this is a misinterpretation or exaggeration I don't know (the word I heard is Destroyed not Decimated).

If it's been destroyed, how are they going to rebuild it? Supposedly we actually SEE Cybertron in the beginning of the actual film.

Also, how is "The Energon Cube" consistent with the mythology. If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have mentioned it.... as there's no such thing as "The Energon Cube" in Transformers mythology.

Yes, but there is such thing as "energon". And it takes many forms. And has many uses. And that's part of the mythology.

Energon Cubes didn't do what they do in this movie. They didn't make FURBIES and any ol' thing come alive like they do in this movie. Not even The Creation Matrix did it.

Energon did a LOT of different things in the show and the comics. It may not have created life, but they did, I believe, use it to make more Autobots and Decepticons. And this, friend, is a movie, not the cartoon or the comics.

No. A lot of us understand the VW thing. That's OK. But BB didn't have to be a muscle car either. He may look cool... and many people may forgive it... but it is not faithful in the slightest. Not in the slightest!

Except for his actual characterization. You know, the loyal soldier with a human side who allies with humans...

And now that we know Jazz is shorter than Bumblebee, it makes it even more incomprehensible.

What exactly is hard to comprehend about that?

This isn't "superficial" thing... this was something VERY CENTRAL to the original mythology.

I'm sorry...it was very central to the mythology that Jazz is taller than Bumblebee?

Bumblebee has been depicted very inconsistently in terms of his size, sometimes being as tall as other small Autobots, other times barely taller than a human. In his only official measurement, given in one of the early issues of the Marvel Comics, Bumblebee is said to stand 15 feet tall in robot mode. The toy of Bumblebee is about 5 cm long, whereas a real Volkswagen Beetle is 406 cm (13.32 feet) long, implying a scale of 1:81. With a robot mode height of 8 centimeters, Bumblebee should stand about 648 cm (or 21.3 feet) tall.

Of course, that's when he's a beetle. Which he's not in the movie.

That's fine. No one wants slavishly faithful. No one wants them to be cartoony and fake looking. That doesn't mean they need to look like Bionicle.

They don't look like Bionicle.

Dude, this guys has been screwing with the community for quite some time.

Uh huh. But he hasn't, apparently, been lying or intentionally misleading you.

"Some changes" If you were to sit down and quantify that, you'd see that this movie- from what we know- has very LITTLE in common with Transformers.

Actually it has a lot in common with Transformers. Such as the fact that the movie is based on a group of giant robots who wage war on Earth and disguise themselves as vehicles. I could make a fairly decent list, but some of you'd just keep whining about what's not slavishly faithful to the first three or four episodes of the show.

Sure they took some names and one plot element (the boy and his car) and they've created a totally different reimagination of it.

Duh. It's a movie, not a live-action adaption of three episodes of a TV show or a few issues of a comic book. I don't know that I've ever seen a comic book movie that wasn't a re-imagining of it's source material. Ever. And frankly, pretty much EVERYONE on the project has SAID to be prepared to see something you've never seen before, and that it would not be a literal translation of G1.

In and of itself, that's OK. It could very well be a good movie based on its own merits. But, it's not Transformers. It's not even an updated take on it (as Spider-man or X-Men are). It's a complete reimagination of it.

Not complete, or half the things the film has in common with the comics and the show wouldn't be in the movie. But yes, it's a reimagining. After years of comic book adaptions being re-imaginings, you still haven't figured out how Hollywood works?

Two years ago? Try months ago. Heck, the "Optimus Prime has to be 50 feet tall that's why we need to make him a long nose" thing happened just a couple of weeks ago.

I thought that was Michael Bay.

never bashed DM by calling him names. Maybe calling him a liar is too strong of a word but he said things that were not true (changed) and has never owned up to them...instead he spins.

Where has he spun anything? Seriously, where? Where has he gone "Bumblee has to be a Camaro because...and it was my decision"?

If he were to post, "I know I said this was going to be G1 but I was for the most part outvoted. You will get a good movie but not the characters will only be loosely based on G1, sorry" then it would give him more cred as a stand up guy.

That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Ever. You can't interpret the man's statements and the situation, so you want him to essentially go "I have no power at all in producing my own movie"?

I understand loyalty to the production as not to undermine it, but that doesn't change the fact that they are not entirely truthful with the fans.

How so?

Bay's height reasoning for Prime being a longnose proves that.

Ah, so it was Bay. You realize he could just have meant "We needed some more height for Prime" and gotten his feet measurements a bit mixed up, right?

To clarify, I hope this movie's story is damn good. I hope if the story is damn good that this movie makes oodles of cash to secure a sequel. But if the story is WotW with Transformers then I hope this movie bombs, bombs, bombs.

It's not WOTW with Transformers. It's "Transformers". And I seriously doubt it will bomb.

They might not be out there intentionally trying to screw up a movie, but they are out there changing characters designs to make money off of new toys.

They're changing character designs for multiple reasons. Not just to make money off toys. As has been pointed out, Hasbro would put out new toys regardless of what the designs were.

 

[CFlash]

This isn't STAR WARS. The Ark is not in the film because it's not relevant to the overall plot, which is Transformers arriving in the present day. What would be the point of having a giant space battle between the Ark and the Nemesis? So the movie Transformers could be compared to Star Wars? Thundercats? As for Teletran 1, that's about the lamest plot device ever. Oh, the computer will conveniently make the robots look like cars to blend in. Since the things are Transformers, it makes a lot more sense that they can just...transform.

Spoken like a true hater. There's not much I can say... except it's fine that people think Transformers sucked to begin with. I happen to think that it didn't.

Siphoning Earth's natural resources for energy is a plot point that has been done to death in "invasion" movies. Using energon to create technology to conquer Earth (Since Megatron is about conquering things) is not.

"Done to death?" Name one! Name a movie where sentient machines came to earth to steal its fossil fuels? It's pretty freakin metaphorical if you ask me. And never been done.

Yes, but there is such thing as "energon". And it takes many forms. And has many uses. And that's part of the mythology.
Energon did a LOT of different things in the show and the comics. It may not have created life, but they did, I believe, use it to make more Autobots and Decepticons. And this, friend, is a movie, not the cartoon or the comics.

What??? OK. I almost had to punch the screen like Nosebleed. I've only known Energon do one thing... and it's NOT GIVE SENTIENCE to an inanimate object. Was this done in a latter cartoons in the 90's. If so, was it a retelling of the Bumblebee/Spike Story? How'd they explain that?

I'm sorry...it was very central to the mythology that Jazz is taller than Bumblebee? Bumblebee has been depicted very inconsistently in terms of his size,

But never taller than any other Autobot. And he wasn't that fast either to boot.... GO READ HIS FREAKIN TECH SPECS.

They don't look like Bionicle.

Hell yeah they do.

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Had to stop reading this totally clueless crap.


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Except to address this:

Actually it has a lot in common with Transformers. Such as the fact that the movie is based on a group of giant robots who wage war on Earth and disguise themselves as vehicles. I could make a fairly decent list, but some of you'd just keep whining about what's not slavishly faithful to the first three or four episodes of the show.

Um, giant robots wage war... is that all it is?.... Gobots?
And no one wants it to be "slavishly" faithful either. You keep saying that... but ask any "whiner" here, TFLive and the gazillion folks at Siebertron and they'd give you very nice logical compromises. BB is the little guy, the machines are iconically faithful, so on and so forth.

It's OK to be excited about this movie. Quite another to defend every single liberty taken with it. If you hated Transformers that much and thought it sucked... would you be OK with them renaming the movie? Would you be just as excited? I'd be OK with it. I think you would be too.

 

[xwolverine2]

wow The Gaurd.........

i think you answered evey topic ever discussed with transformers..lol

nice...i agree from everything i read

 

[The Guard]

Spoken like a true hater.

Pardon me for not thinking every single concept in the show was brilliant. It wasn't.

There's not much I can say... except it's fine that people think Transformers sucked to begin with. I happen to think that it didn't.

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I didn't say anything about Transformers sucking to begin with. Just that certain plot devices are lame, and certain plot devices are irrelevant to the story they are telling in this film, and the aura of "mystery" they are trying to achieve.

"Done to death?" Name one! Name a movie where sentient machines came to earth to steal its fossil fuels?

I didn't say "sentient machines coming to Earth to steal it's fossil fuels" has been done to death. I said " depleting Earth of it's resources". War of The Worlds and Independence Day come to mind off the top of my head. And The Matrix kinda leaned in that direction a bit...

It's pretty freakin metaphorical if you ask me. And never been done.

It was done in the TV show, was it not? Obviously they do not simply want to repeat what has gone before.

What??? OK. I almost had to punch the screen like Nosebleed. I've only known Energon do one thing... and it's NOT GIVE SENTIENCE to an inanimate object. Was this done in a latter cartoons in the 90's. If so, was it a retelling of the Bumblebee/Spike Story? How'd they explain that?

In the fictional universe of the Transformers, Energon is the primary source of power for Transformers. Using Energon, Transformers live, power their machinery, and even craft weapons.

Generation 1/Beast Wars

In its raw form, Energon is unstable and extremely harmful to most Transformers. Existing in a crystalline state, it constantly emits radiation, which can overload Transformer systems, as was discovered by Optimus Primal and his crew during the Beast Wars, when they were forced to adopt animal forms that shielded them from the radiation. If that wasn't bad enough, it is also highly explosive. Raw Energon can also exist in a stable state, called Energon Cubes, which are not to be confused with the more common use of the name, the containers for liquid Energon (below). It is unclear, however, if raw Energon Cubes can be naturally occurring - in the only documented case involving them, they came about as the result of Energon crystals' exposure to an energy beam of alien origin.

For Energon to be useful for Transformers and safe to use, it must be processed from its crystal state into a liquid form, which is then imbibed by Transformers, often for pleasure as well as for maintaining their energy levels. It can be stored in a number of containers, the most famous of which is Energon Cubes, but rods and chips have also been used. Interestingly the Predacon Terrorsaur was once able to absorb the energy of raw Energon directly into his body, this drastically increased his firepower and he was even able to defeat Megatron. However his body could not hold the energy for long so he had to revisit the source of the Energon to &#8216;recharge&#8217;.

It is possible to generate liquid Energon through the processing of assorted natural resources, such as oil, gas and electricity, though it is not exactly clear how - the empty Energon Cubes are simply placed in the vicinity of the energy source, and they will convert it into liquid Energon, which fills the cube. Liquid Energon is, of course, stable and safe to handle, though its explosive properties remain. Somewhat oddly, Energon is also an accepted form of currency in many areas of the galaxy.

Energon crystals are also usable if processed correctly. Weapons and tools made from refined energon crystals and charged are more powerful and sharp than any metal known to the Transformers. A few Transformers, such as Grimlock, wield energon weapons almost exclusively. An energon blade is also known to be able to affect the nearly indestructible spark of Protoform X; raw energon was used by Depth Charge to kill Protoform X (also known as Rampage) in the two-part series finale of Beast Wars. It is unknown what result it would have if taken to Starscream's immortal spark.

Transformers later found other sources of power, including Zone Energy and Angolmois Energy, however neither completely supplanted the need for Energon.

You were saying something about Energon doing one thing?

I didn't say it had brought life to sentient beings in the comics, and I also said it was a movie, not the show or the comics, implying that liberties had been taken. You seem to have overlooked that part of my statements. Regardless, that does not change the fact that Energon is a seemingly important part of the Transformers mythos, and is found in the movie.

I'm sorry...it was very central to the mythology that Jazz is taller than Bumblebee? Bumblebee has been depicted very inconsistently in terms of his size,

But never taller than any other Autobot. And he wasn't that fast either to boot.... GO READ HIS FREAKIN TECH SPECS.

Fantastic. But that does not tell me how exactly his general height is "central to the mythology"? That's just how tall he is. "Central to the mythology" implies that it is somehow actually important to the mythology itself. When it's only important to...how tall Bumblebee generally is.

Hell yeah they do.

Uh, compared to the Bumblee picture there, that Bionicle picture looks like a cartoon, whereas Bumblebee looks like a huge robot. The Bionicle does not have eyes, a face, nor is it as broad and intimidating looking. Nor does it seem to have hands or a more humanoid form as Bumblee's design does there. Nor does it seem to be as intricate. There are vague similarities, mainly the fact that both have yellow parts on them, but the designs are quite different. Bumblebee's parts are a lot more elongated, and while the Bionicle's yellow aspects seem to be solid, Bumblebee's seem to be split up to allow for more motion. Bumblee is also leaner, more "bottom-heavy" in design. And Bumblee strikes me as a lot more intricate. Granted, one is basically a Lego, and one is a from a major motion picture. But then, you're the one that compared the pictures, not me.

Um, giant robots wage war... is that all it is?.... Gobots?

I believe I said more than that, and have said so several times. I've referred to Energon, the specific factions of the Autobots and the Decepticons, Cybertron, the Witwicky story, etc. None of this is specific to Gobots, but to Transformers.

And no one wants it to be "slavishly" faithful either.

No one does? Horse****.

You keep saying that... but ask any "whiner" here, TFLive and the gazillion folks at Siebertron and they'd give you very nice logical compromises. BB is the little guy, the machines are iconically faithful, so on and so forth.

Those aren't compromises. That's going "We want things to be exactly the way they are in the show and the comics visually".

It's OK to be excited about this movie. Quite another to defend every single liberty taken with it.

I haven't. I think the Energon making machines come to life is incredibly stupid. I'm not defending all the liberties taken with it, I'm simply saying they didn't lie to you about never taking any way back when. Some of you seem to think that because they said "We're going to base this on G1", they meant "It's going to be extremely faithful" to G1. That was simply never the case.

If you hated Transformers that much and thought it sucked... would you be OK with them renaming the movie? Would you be just as excited? I'd be OK with it. I think you would be too.

Huh?

 

[millennium movies]

It's Dissecticon ^! Famous for his lenghty post dissections!

 

[xwolverine2]

Fantastic. But that does not tell me how exactly his general height is "central to the mythology"? That's just how tall he is. "Central to the mythology" implies that it is somehow actually important to the mythology itself. When it's only important to...how tall Bumblebee generally is.

exactly.......... just like how wolvie is 10ft tall instead of three feet...

it didnt matter to the story

 

[CFlash]

Um. in that huge diatribe, Energon did one thing. Power. Not give "life" to.
I can throw a hamburger at the wall and give it a dirty look, but it wont create a human being. Yes, you're right the... the WORD "Energon" is in the movie. That's about it.

Machines / Fossil Fuels. G1 story at the outset. Pretty freaking central mythology if you ask me. Millions of years in the mountain. Volcano... also pretty freakin symbolic considering fossil fuels came from the Dinosaurs and plants that were here when they first landed.

Sure, perhaps neither the show, nor the comic, nor the blurbs and tech spechs on the backs of the freakin toys themselves were nowhere near that deep. Or maybe, to some of us, it kinda was. It was a pretty well written and original story. And some of us just think it would make a GREAT movie serious sci-fi movie... if respected.

Again, *to me*, I don't see why making BB tall isn't the same as making Frodo taller then Gandolf. It's personalities that matter right??? Not the symbolism or any of that other B.S.... right? RIGHT?

 

[xwolverine2]

I don't see why making BB tall isn't the same as making Frodo taller then Gandolf.

ive heard this before............ i laughed both times

 

[CFlash]

ive heard this before............ i laughed both times

Yeah... because, well, Transformers is stupid, right?
I've heard you say many things about TF... and all were cringe-worthy.

 

[xwolverine2]

I've heard you say many things about TF... and all were cringe-worthy.

as have i

in relations to what MUST be changed or in the movie

 

[CFlash]

as have i

in relations to what MUST be changed or in the movie

You're the type of guy that would have been cool with Superman in a black suit and a mohawk. No? Blasphemous? Ah... well... there you go.

 

[xwolverine2]

You're the type of guy that would have been cool with Superman in a black suit and a mohawk. No? Blasphemous? Ah... well... there you go.

as much as id like to see my nemisis superman looking like a ******........... no.

 

[CFlash]

as much as id like to see my nemisis superman looking like a ******........... no.

OK. Fine. An awesome silver suit then... with Michael Bay directing!
Come on... admit it. It sounds kinda nice doesn't it? You know it does.
lol.

 

[xwolverine2]

OK. Fine. An awesome silver suit then... with Michael Bay directing!
Come on... admit it. It sounds kinda nice doesn't it? You know it does.
lol.

wasnt that actually gonna happen?......with tim burton though?

and no............it made he hate tim burton to this day.

i used to respect him for his creativity..........not anymore

and lol...did you hear whats happening to thundercats?