Homeless People

[The Spawn]

What's your take on them?

 

[Kyalesyin]

I read a paper about them suggesting that over 90% had spent long periods of time either in the military or prison, or other similar institutions, and as such couldn't keep it together when they suddenly end up on the outside. Interesting read, to be honest.

The other good point it made was that in a lot of cases, they take up the drink and drugs after becoming homeless through being kicked out or loosing their jobs, as a way of coping with constantly being cold, hungry and looked down on by the rest of the world.

 

[OverMyHead]

They smell?

And most of them have mental and psychological disorders.

 

[Kyalesyin]

They smell?

And most of them have mental and psychological disorders.

I think those two are the same thing dude.

 

[The Spawn]

Are you saying HE has a disorder?

 

[Kyalesyin]

Are you saying HE has a disorder?

No, I'd just love to see his defenition of the difference between a mental disorder and a psycological disorder.

 

[Bat Attack]

They should get jobs, but if they want to live on the streets that's their choice not mine. I would never give them money because it would just be feeding their drug addictions.

 

[Kyalesyin]

Always amuses me when people say 'they should get jobs' when to get a job you need an address, papers and a bank account.

 

[The Spawn]

People usually don't hire people who look like this:

 

[Kyalesyin]

I wouldn't hire the person walking past either. What is with that outfit?!

 

[Omega214]

its a shame bout them but they jus use wateva money u give them for cigarettes, booze or drugs

 

[Kyalesyin]

Well they aren't gonna make enough to do anything else. The deposit on my current home was £450, plus a £200 damage deposit. The first months rent was due a week later- £440

I'd like to see you save that up in small change.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Theyre mostly just drunks who like being drunks with no responsibility.
I know enough about the benefit systems in place that mean, in Britain at least, people don't have to stay homeless if they really dont want and are willing to put a little effort in to sorting out their lifes.

Well they aren't gonna make enough to do anything else. The deposit on my current home was £450, plus a £200 damage deposit. The first months rent was due a week later- £440

I'd like to see you save that up in small change.

But they can register with a shelter, giving them somewhere they can have post sent to, then they can start recieving Job seekers allowance and have somewhere to get clean if they have interviews. Job centre in this country might even give them allowances for suits and help with the CV if they need it.
Then they can save up till they can afford a place of their own like everyone else does.

 

[Kyalesyin]

Theyre mostly just drunks who like being drunks with no responsibility.
I know enough about the benefit systems in place that mean, in Britain at least, people don't have to stay homeless if they really dont want and are willing to put a little effort in to sorting out their lifes.

Not really.

There are about 40 people to 1 hostel bed in Britan. A lot of them want to get off the street but there aren't the facilities to deal with them. They can't get medical treatment because they have no NI number or address. There are thousands fewer affordable homes than there need to be, and nothing put in place to help them learn to cope. If you've never paid a bill, or managed on a budget before, you get lost, thats how most of them ended up there in the first place.

I doubt many people enjoy being constantly cold, hungry and stinking.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Not really.

There are about 40 people to 1 hostel bed in Britan. A lot of them want to get off the street but there aren't the facilities to deal with them. They can't get medical treatment because they have no NI number or address. There are thousands fewer affordable homes than there need to be, and nothing put in place to help them learn to cope. If you've never paid a bill, or managed on a budget before, you get lost, thats how most of them ended up there in the first place.

I doubt many people enjoy being constantly cold, hungry and stinking.

no, but they probably enjoy constantly being pissed.

Just registering with a home can give them somewhere for post to help with jobs and there are people in the benefit system that can help them sort out bills and a budget

 

[Kyalesyin]

no, but they probably enjoy constantly being pissed.

Just registering with a home can give them somewhere for post to help with jobs and there are people in the benefit system that can help them sort out bills and a budget

If they can register with a home. There aren't all that many places available, and its sheer pot luck as to who gets one. They're mostly drunk so they don't have to remember the situation they're in, and the fact that they have nowhere to turn as opposed to doing it for fun. Drinking constantly makes you feel ill, destroys your stomach, damages your memory and more besides. It isn't any fun at all, it just feels better than remembering.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

If they can register with a home. There aren't all that many places available, and its sheer pot luck as to who gets one. They're mostly drunk so they don't have to remember the situation they're in, and the fact that they have nowhere to turn as opposed to doing it for fun. Drinking constantly makes you feel ill, destroys your stomach, damages your memory and more besides. It isn't any fun at all, it just feels better than remembering.

They can register a home as their adress even if they cant stay there each night. (my mum works in benefits, and half her job just used to be trying to help people to have the right benefits for them, and she dealt with a lot of homeless people that came through, doing things like helping them sort out finances and bills, hleping look for jobs, helping them get any money theyre entitled to and if possible, and accomodation, shes always been adamant that there is a means there to get back on the right path if you really want to. The main problem is that a lot of people dont realise a lot of this help is even available)

 

[Kyalesyin]

They can register a home as their adress even if they cant stay there each night. (my mum works in benefits, and half her job just used to be trying to help people to have the right benefits for them, and she dealt with a lot of homeless people that came through, doing things like helping them sort out finances and bills, hleping look for jobs, helping them get any money theyre entitled to and if possible, and accomodation, shes always been adamant that there is a means there to get back on the right path if you really want to. The main problem is that a lot of people dont realise a lot of this help is even available)

I worked with the Salvation Army for ages, running one of their shops, manning the soup van and doing admin for the hostels. Trust me, the help needs to be trebled just to get things started. There is a means, sure, but that menas is so overstretched that people are waiting three or four years for any help at all. How much worse can a problem get in three or four years?

 

[mightiest_mortal]

I worked with the Salvation Army for ages, running one of their shops, manning the soup van and doing admin for the hostels. Trust me, the help needs to be trebled just to get things started. There is a means, sure, but that menas is so overstretched that people are waiting three or four years for any help at all. How much worse can a problem get in three or four years?

I think a lot more peopole need to be made aware that they still have options and i think more funding needs to be put into looking why people are homeless in the first place. (personally I think white males 18-40 are seriously disadvantaged a lot by our society at the moment especially)

 

[Kyalesyin]

I think a lot more peopole need to be made aware that they still have options and i think more funding needs to be put into looking why people are homeless in the first place. (personally I think white males 18-40 are seriously disadvantaged a lot by our culture at the moment especially)

Which is the thing about budgeting issues and the like. They don't know how to hold down a job or pay bills. Some of it is the instant-gratification thing I'm sure, but it would also help if there was a little more emphasis in schools on how to fill in an application, pay a bill, write a cheque, that sort of thing.

 

[Honey Vibe]

I have had a homeless person live with me, and it needs to be said: there are good and bad persons in all walks of life. Not all homeless people are psychotic, theiving, or alcoholic. The majority of theives, drunks, and lunatics in this country have a home.

All ideas that generalize are, at best, pubescent.

 

[Honey Vibe]

Which is the thing about budgeting issues and the like. They don't know how to hold down a job or pay bills. Some of it is the instant-gratification thing I'm sure, but it would also help if there was a little more emphasis in schools on how to fill in an application, pay a bill, write a cheque, that sort of thing.

The homeless individual that lived with me was a medical RN in the 1960s. She remarked that other homeless would deliberately dirty their clothes to exploit charity. These people are not ignorant, by any means.

 

[Kyalesyin]

The homeless individual that lived with me was a medical RN in the 1960s. She remarked that other homeless would deliberately dirty their clothes to exploit charity. These people are not ignorant, by any means.

Not ignorant in that sense- they know how to do this day-to-day. I'm talking about academics. Anyone can be clever- heck you can teach a dog a trick. I doubt many of them could calculate how much tax they'd be paying on their wages.

 

[muertevilla]

you dont need an address or bank account to get a job. bums end up on the street for a reason. bottom of the food chain. it is their responsibility to do something with their lives and stop making everyone else feel guilty because they are lazy. bums are out pretty early around here. if they can get up and hold a sign at 7 in the morning that also means they can get up and stand on the corner with my mexican buddies and wait for work. if you have seen fun with dick and jane you know what im talking about. you never see them asking for handouts...and then people complain that they take away jobs.

 

[Memphis Slim]

There's not "one" kind of homeless person.......

Some are there because of circumstances beyond their control.

Some made bad choices in life.

Yes...it is difficult to sometimes discern who is the former. But in this country, it is possible to make a come back. There are a lot of organizations that will help homeless persons get back on their feet. Is it easy? No......but it can be done. Many have done it.