How many here are old enough to remember reaction about Michael Keaton as Batman?

[DogofKrypton]

Well, critics have already changed their opinion about Routh, they says he is great.

The same will be with people.

I do believe it was you who had "The critics are always wrong" in your sig for a while there, right? Can't have it both ways now that you agree with them.

Wait and see for yourself before you start proclaiming him the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[C. Lee]

Fifty...cough...four

I'm but a little bitty child compared to you good sir.....

 

[DorkyFresh]

Wait and see for yourself before you start proclaiming him the best thing since sliced bread.

you defend Matt for having his premature opinions about SR then you tell Cinemaman to wait till the movie comes out to form his? as you said dude...you can't have it both ways.

 

[DogofKrypton]

you defend Matt for having his premature opinions about SR then you tell Cinemaman to wait till the movie comes out to form his? as you said dude...you can't have it both ways.

Actually, I did not say he couldn't have an opinion. Comprehension is the key. I defended Matt's right to STATE his opinion without being attacked with childish comments.

Plus, I never saw a post where Matt states, due to critics whose opinion didn't matter when it was negative for Superman Returns but now they do because they are positive, that Brandon Routh will be the worst Superman EVER and "people will see that". If you have proof, not assumptions, point out where I am mistaken and I will recant.

Also, "Wait and see" is a good policy for EVERYONE. You included.

 

[DorkyFresh]

whatever way you wanna twist it, turn it, bend it, stretch it, reword it, rephrase it, you still defended Matt for 'stating' his opinion prior to the release of the movie but you're telling Cinemaman that he has to wait until the movie is released to be able to state his. Matt's opinion was that he didn't like the way SR is shaping up to be....Cinemaman's opinion is that people will see (how good Routh is). they're both opinions and you defended Matt's right to state his but you tell Cinemaman to wait until the movie comes out before he can state his opinion that Routh is the best thing since sliced bread. if you're gonna preach 'let everyone have their opinion' then let everyone have their opinion.

 

[DogofKrypton]

Also, back on topic: Yes I remember hearing about "Mr. Mom" playing Batman (This is how it was reported). I actually didn't have any negative or positive reaction to it. In fact, I forgot completely until I saw the movie, and he did a great job as Batman. Bruce Wayne? Not so much. Not bad, but not as good.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

I remember very well the reaction of the fans about Micheal Keaton...but not only about him, I remember very well the reactions about the costume, about jack nicholson and about Tim Burton...

"Worst director ever!"
"The director of Bettle Juice? WB I hate you!!"
"The costume sucks!"




And...do you remember the b.o. predictions?
I do!


"Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and Back to The Future II will be the greatest movies of the year!"

"Batman will be destroyed by Lethal Weapon 2 (girls love Mel Gibson too much, and this is a sequel of a great action comedy)."

"Batman can't beat Lethal Weapon 2, It will be beaten even by Honey, I Shrunk the Kids"


--

The "Batman" release date was
6/23

The "Lethal Weapon II" release date was
7/7

The Indiana Jones 3 release date was
5/24


The "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids" release date was
6/23
---

For the b.o. experts Batman had no chances to be the greatest movie of the year, because Lethal Weapon 2 would have destroyed his legs...it's seem the same situation between SR and POTC2

 

[buggs0268]

I saw Batman 12:00 am pre-opening night showing. I have been called a liar and everything else here by people there werent even born or in another state and not my. The reaction to the movie was not good at the theater I saw it at, Westgate Cinemas in Beaverton. People had been so hyped up, and many in the crowd was dressed up as either Batman or the Joker. The only big cheer the movie got was the first shot of the Batmobile. The only big laugh was the "never rub another man's rhubarb" line. People got up after it was done saying things like "We have been waiting all year for this?" and "Indiana Jones was better". And a lot of people said that it was just Mr. Mom in the Bat costume. Don't flame me. That is what happened.

STM was different on the other hand. I saw it at the Waikiki 3 in December 1978. I think it was the 3rd day of release. I was 10 years old. I remember everyone was just amazed at how serious the movie was. And when Reeve went through the turnstyle doors and came out as Superman, people cheered. When he caught Lois everyone cheered again. But the biggest thing was after Lois fainted and there is the loop de loop shot. When that shot came on the screen and he entered frame and started loop de looping everyone stoood for a standing ovation. I remember someone behind me saying "They did it. They actually did it. It's Superman." Only other time I ever saw something like that happen was the first Dinosaur scene and right after the T-rex attack in Jurrassic Park 1. I doubt we will ever get that sort of reaction again.

I remember when it was over people where just saying how Reeve was Superman, and how great the movie was.

 

[DogofKrypton]

whatever way you wanna twist it, turn it, bend it, stretch it, reword it, rephrase it, you still defended Matt for 'stating' his opinion prior to the release of the movie but you're telling Cinemaman that he has to wait until the movie is released to be able to state his. Matt's opinion was that he didn't like the way SR is shaping up to be....Cinemaman's opinion is that people will see (how good Routh is). they're both opinions and you defended Matt's right to state his but you tell Cinemaman to wait until the movie comes out before he can state his opinion that Routh is the best thing since sliced bread. if you're gonna preach 'let everyone have their opinion' then let everyone have their opinion.

I'm not going through this with you again. I did not say for him NOT to state his opinion, nor did I say Matt's opinion can't be challenged. It is the MANNER of it that sucks by you and the "Usual Suspects". You really should start COMPREHENDING without ASSUMING. It is very annoying.

Cinemaman is saying he already "knows" that Brandon Routh is great without seeing it. He is then saying that other's will fall in line with this "fact". It is not a fact UNTIL HE SEE'S THE MOVIE and other's agree.

If you choose to carry-on with this, feel free to do so alone. I already attempted to go back on topic, you can troll if you wish to.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Cinemaman is saying he already "knows" that Brandon Routh is great without seeing it.

and Matt proclaimed that he already 'knows' Lex was going to be campy without seeing the movie.

He is then saying that other's will fall in line with this "fact".

and it's his opinion that others will fall in line with his 'opinion'. but this wasn't your original point...your original words were "Wait and see for yourself before you start proclaiming him the best thing since sliced bread."

you're challenging Cinemaman's positive opinion about Routh, yet you defend Matt against people who challenge his opinion that Lex is campy....even though he hasn't seen the movie yet either.

I already attempted to go back on topic, you can troll if you wish to.

trolling is when you blatantly call people names and attack them with the sole purpose of getting them angry. i'm not doing that, i'm trying to understand why you tell Cinemaman to wait for the movie to come out before he forms his opinion about Routh even though you didn't tell Matt to wait for the movie to come out when he was stating his opinion about Lex.

 

[NotFadeAway]

Ya know, I probably shouldn't be saying this, but out of the old Batman movies featuring Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney, I would have to say I liked Val Kilmer the best. Keaton just didn't do it for me, and Clooney was god awful. Not that Kilmer was great, which he wasn't, but I enjoyed him more than the other two.

On that note, Christian Bale is easily the best Batman of all time

 

[Showtime]

Ya know, I probably shouldn't be saying this, but out of the old Batman movies featuring Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney, I would have to say I liked Val Kilmer the best. Keaton just didn't do it for me, and Clooney was god awful. Not that Kilmer was great, which he wasn't, but I enjoyed him more than the other two.

On that note, Christian Bale is easily the best Batman of all time

I hate to admit it but I didn't think Kilmer was that bad in the role either.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Kilmer wasn't that bad...he just wasn't GREAT. to me he didn't embody what i envisioned Batman to be like...i guess i found him a bit too young and pretty boyish. i didn't think of him as a hardass like Bale or Keaton was.

his lisp didn't help either, haha

 

[fangrl06]

Ya know, I probably shouldn't be saying this, but out of the old Batman movies featuring Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney, I would have to say I liked Val Kilmer the best. Keaton just didn't do it for me, and Clooney was god awful. Not that Kilmer was great, which he wasn't, but I enjoyed him more than the other two.

On that note, Christian Bale is easily the best Batman of all time

You know, you'd think that Clooney would make a great Batman....but he really sucked as Batman. Kilmer was the best Batman honestly. A lot of you are going to hate me for posting this, but I thought Batman Forever was better than BB.

 

[Showtime]

You know, you'd think that Clooney would make a great Batman....but he really sucked as Batman. Kilmer was the best Batman honestly. A lot of you are going to hate me for posting this, but I thought Batman Forever was better than BB.

I don't hate you for it, but I don't agree. I liked Batman Forever, better than most, but it was better than Batman, Batman Returns, or Batman Begins in my opinion.

 

[buggs0268]

Clooney was the best of that lot playing batman. although he didnt have the best script. i would have loved to see what he would ahve done with Nolan and the BB script.

I thought Clooney would have kicked ass but the bobbing head killed it for me.

Bale is the best now. But I would have liked to see the guy who played the movie star in King Kong, Kyle Chandler as Batman. He just looks more like Bruce Wayne to me. Don't bash me. he just does to me.

 

[fangrl06]

Clooney was the best of that lot playing batman. although he didnt have the best script. i would have loved to see what he would ahve done with Nolan and the BB script.

I thought Clooney would have kicked ass but the bobbing head killed it for me.

Bale is the best now. But I would have liked to see the guy who played the movie star in King Kong, Kyle Chandler as Batman. He just looks more like Bruce Wayne to me. Don't bash me. he just does to me.

The KK guy has too big of a nose....

 

[Lauryn2000]

I remember the reactions when George Clooney played Batman..Thank goodness for Batman Begins...the way the story of the darkknight should be told.Routh looks and feels like Superman.I have to admit I didn't think anyone could play Superman as well as Christopher Reeves did but Routh is the closest thing to the "real thing"

 

[fangrl06]

I remember the reactions when George Clooney played Batman..Thank goodness for Batman Begins...the way the story of the darkknight should be told.Routh looks and feels like Superman.I have to admit I didn't think anyone could play Superman as well as Christopher Reeves did but Routh is the closest thing to the "real thing"

I agree.....with the second part.

 

[Monstera]

For those of you asking about what Conan stories to start with, and also those of you who grew up reading the Tor novels in the 70s--

All the original short stories + Hour of the Dragon have been reprinted by Del Rey in their ENTIRETY (De Camp re-edited almost every other sentence in the 70s collections):

Vol. 1 The Coming of Conan: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/03...f=pd_bbs_1/002-5113084-2656026?_encoding=UTF8

Vol. 2 The Bloody Crown of Conan: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/03...f=pd_bbs_4/002-5113084-2656026?_encoding=UTF8

Vol. 3 The Conquering Sword of Conan: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/03...f=pd_bbs_3/002-5113084-2656026?_encoding=UTF8

1930s pulp sword & sorcery at it's finest, and in their original Weird Tales form.


edit: for the record, I think Batman Begins was close to perfection.

 

[jimmylace]

when I saw BB in the cinema,it blew me away just how menacing batman was an how dark it was in tone. But I always felt like I was watching a comic book-which isnt a bad thing always, but the movie kinda felt ....stale. Maybe if they were going the comic book dialogue route, they should have given it a sin-city style visual treatment?

The thing is whilst I did like BB, none of it really stayed with me as much as the Burton movies.

I can remember so much of those but little of BB. BB never really had any memorable set-pieces and lacked a really juicy villain-which is why I hope the sequel will be better.

Bale as batman is a perfect match and some of the supporting roles were really well-acted but there just wasn't enough fantasy in it if you see what I mean? It's hard to explain as the spider-man movies are my favourite comic book movies ever but I just prefer Batman 89 and Returns

Theyre just so unique and I think that because they were the first big comic book movies, they had a greater impact.The characters existed in a weird reality/fantasy tale world which made the whole thing feel like a movie and not a comic book brought to life.

It's difficult to explain but yeah.......I totally remeber just how big batman was-I used to have the batwing toy that shot out these crappy rubber darts and they came out with all these crappy toys like arctic disguise batman, space batman etc-which were all the same figure but painted in different colours