HUGE victory against the worst society has to offer....

[jks]

Why is this a victory? You're basically saying it's an us vs. them thing. I am black, and while I'm not 100% behind monetary reparations, I do think they should be in the form of improving impoverished communities.

They should be doing that anyway.

 

[Calvin]

No, I just [mistakenly, obviously] assumed most people on here weren't too inbred to grasp the concept of up and down. It's not my fault people arent very intelligent In reality, it's not. How much of our tax money goes into the welfare system to suport people who are abusing it? Wether it be the black single mother who spits out 12 kids to collect mre and more for each kid or the lazy white redneck too lazy to get off his ass and get a job. Where do you think these corporations were gonna get the money from to pay these people? That's right, us, by raising the costs of whatever product they are distributing.

How much of our money goes into the welfare system? Not enough, compared to how much we've lost to corruption and a f**king expensive blunder of an unrighteous war.

 

[Kritish]

Jesus Christ, I'm a self proclaimed socialist and even I think slave reparations is stupid.

 

[Calvin]

Jesus Christ, I'm a self proclaimed socialist and even I think slave reparations is stupid.

Maybe you should be a little more socially aware then.

 

[Kritish]

Quite a bit of black people having a lot of money is your argument? What the hell? That's a pretty poor indication of what the overall situation is. We've evolved a little bit, sure, but in no way is everything Even Steven already. There are still lasting effects of the ghettoization that went on in the not too recent past. Walk around any big city and you'll see at least that much.

I never said that it's all "Even Stevens". There's a lot of whites,Jews asians and ect that live in poor areas.
Do you think blacks are the only people that live in poor violent areas?

 

[jks]

How much of our money goes into the welfare system? Not enough, compared to how much we've lost to corruption and a f**king expensive blunder of an unrighteous war.

Well whatever our tax dollars are used on wastefully, doesn't that make you upset no matter what it's squandered on?

 

[Kritish]

Maybe you should be a little more socially aware then.

Isn't it racist to decide that one race we used as slaves deserves something but other's don't? We used Irish, Native Americans and many other smaller groups.
Why do blacks deserve all the payment?

 

[Calvin]

Well whatever our tax dollars are used on wastefully, doesn't that make you upset no matter what it's squandered on?

That it's sometimes squandered through welfare (though the cost of the abusers is far far smaller than the cost of the war) doesn't mean welfare's inherently wrong. Welfare does more good than bad, though it could certainly be doing even more good if we'd take the time to increase efficiency rather than simply cut back on it.

 

[Calvin]

Isn't it racist to decide that one race we used as slaves deserves something but other's don't? We used Irish, Native Americans and many other smaller groups.
Why do blacks deserve all the payment?

You're not paying attention. The sticking point isn't who or who wasn't a slave, it's who's still at a disadvantage in society right now. The Irish seem to be doing just fine.

 

[Calvin]

I never said that it's all "Even Stevens". There's a lot of whites,Jews asians and ect that live in poor areas.
Do you think blacks are the only people that live in poor violent areas?

I'm betting if you look up the actual numbers to compare, there'll be a huge disparity.

 

[jks]

That it's sometimes squandered through welfare (though the cost of the abusers is far far smaller than the cost of the war) doesn't mean welfare's inherently wrong. Welfare does more good than bad, though it could certainly be doing even more good if we'd take the time to increase efficiency rather than simply cut back on it.

No one is saying welfare is bad, just the people who abuse it and take it as a handout instead of using it as the help it was intended to be.

 

[Kritish]

Who gets to decide who's "doing fine" and who's "doing bad"?
That one black lady living in a slum hole with her ten kids might be doing better than that other black man who's crawled into a bottle of Jack Daniels under that bridge.
Who get's to decide what an acceptable level and who's worthy of our help?

 

[Calvin]

No one is saying welfare is bad, just the people who abuse it and take it as a handout instead of using it as the help it was intended to be.

And I don't think reparations for a race that's still facing marginalization would be an abuse of welfare. Sure, you can't just hand it out like candy, but a form of economic reparation is still needed. It's certainly not a "HUGE victory against the worst society has to offer."

 

[Calvin]

Who gets to decide who's "doing fine" and who's "doing bad"?
That one black lady living in a slum hole with her ten kids might be doing better than that other black man who's crawled into a bottle of Jack Daniels under that bridge.
Who get's to decide what an acceptable level and who's worthy of our help?

Ideally a well-set up, well-run bureaucracy. I know that sounds like an oxymoron these days, but still.

 

[Kritish]

And I don't think reparations for a race that's still facing marginalization would be an abuse of welfare. Sure, you can't just hand it out like candy, but a form of economic reparation is still needed. It's certainly not a "HUGE victory against the worst society has to offer."

I think welfare needs to be fixed and I think the people that abuse it need to go to jail.
What I'm not for is the idea of is giving money to people who have never worked in a cotton field or been beated by their white master.
Once Lincoln freed them they were on there own to make names for themselves.

 

[jks]

And I don't think reparations for a race that's still facing marginalization would be an abuse of welfare. Sure, you can't just hand it out like candy, but a form of economic reparation is still needed. It's certainly not a "HUGE victory against the worst society has to offer."

People wanting something for nothing for something that they didn't go through from people who had nothing to do with it IS some of the worst society has to offer.

 

[Calvin]

People wanting something for nothing for something that they didn't go through from people who had nothing to do with it IS some of the worst society has to offer.

It's not that they went through it, it's that they're still disadvantaged by the deep-rooted effects of it. Rather than thinking of it as payback, maybe it's easier if you think of it as general distributive justice. That it finds its roots in slavery, originally, isn't that important, it's just a historical detail. What's important is that they're disadvantaged, and as human beings, they do deserve some form of distributive justice.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Memo to morons posting in thread:

Where was anyone's race ever mentioned by me? No, since some of you people's mental capacity is too limited to even solve blue's clues "the worst society has to offer" refers to people looking for a handout for nothing instead of earning what they get for themselves.

and you really think that's the worst societty has to offer?
I wouldn't throw the word "moron"around so freely.

 

[Calvin]

Once Lincoln freed them they were on there own to make names for themselves.

I'm pretty sure you're not a socialist. You really should read up on it before you proclaim yourself as one.

 

[Lighthouse]

Even if you don't agree with reparations, the worst society has to offer??? Gimme a break.

 

[Kritish]

I'm pretty sure you're not a socialist. You really should read up on it before you proclaim yourself as one.

Free health care
Free Education
The U.S. out of Europe.
I might not be Che level but those are what you would call socialist.

 

[Kritish]

and you really think that's the worst societty has to offer?
I wouldn't throw the word "moron"around so freely.

Don't blame him, he's spent most of his life play world of warcraft in his basement. His mom brings him a bed pan and a hot pocket every night.

 

[jks]

It's not that they went through it, it's that they're still disadvantaged by the deep-rooted effects of it. Rather than thinking of it as payback, maybe it's easier if you think of it as general distributive justice. That it finds its roots in slavery, originally, isn't that important, it's just a historical detail. What's important is that they're disadvantaged, and as human beings, they do deserve some form of distributive justice.

No one is forcing them to live in substandard housing in "ghetto" type neighborhoods. Anyone who truly wants out can get out if they work for it, just like everyone else. In addition, like I said earlier, why should everyone else have to pay for something that they also had no part in? I owned no slaves, my family owned no slaves.

 

[jks]

Don't blame him, he's spent most of his life play world of warcraft in his basement. His mom brings him a bed pan and a hot pocket every night.

You're right, mr sparkle, "moron" shouldn't be thrown around lightly. It should be saved for those who deserve it, like this guy has so eloquently demonstrated.

 

[Kritish]

No one is forcing them to live in substandard housing in "ghetto" type neighborhoods. Anyone who truly wants out can get out if they work for it, just like everyone else. In addition, like I said earlier, why should everyone else have to pay for something that they also had no part in? I owned no slaves, my family owned no slaves.

Dude, you're not helping my case.