Reparations

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  1. turtlefocker Registered

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    Reparations for slavery is a movement in the United States, which suggests that the governement apologize to slave descendants for their hardships, and bestow on them reparations, whether it be in the form of money, land, or other things.

    FOR:
    • Jewish holocaust victims have gotten reparations (In 2000 Germany opened the "Nazi slave compensation fund"(even though the majority (if not all) of those who were enslaved by Nazi Germany were dead.))
    • In 1865 Abraham Lincoln had general William Shoerman set aside 40 acres of land for each freed slave. They were also to be each given a mule to work the land. (40,00 slaves = 400,000 acres). When assassinated Lincoln's successor Andrew Johnston decided NOT to give the freed slaves the land.
    • Money for African Americans would boost their self-esteem and minimize the financial gap between races.
    AGAINST:
    • Horowitz stated in April 2001 that he would be all for reparations if "the people directly inured were alive today" since they are not he is against it.
    • Tracing lineage back to see who is directly related to former slaves would be costly and time consuming (NOT ALL AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF FORMER SLAVES)Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves.
    • Payment based purely on race would have a negative effect on race relations.
    • Only between 1.4% and 6.2% (depending on study) of "whites" owned slaves in America at the time when slavery was prominent.
    • There were African American slave OWNERS. In New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.
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    Based on this information (which is regarded as factual by both sides) How do you feel about reperations???

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    Here are some websites for more info:


    http://media.www.thelantern.com

    http://www.wewontpay.com/
    REPARATIONSAlfredL.Brophy.com
    subscribe.mit.ca

    and you could try wikipedia, but take what they write with a grain of salt


     
  2. Morg Super Moderator

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    Yes it's sad thing in history but should descendants get money? No, hell what next? Reparation for how the government treated the handicap back then too?
     
  3. Jerry! Registered

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    It's bull****.
     
  4. Monster Reborn

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    Hmm, scary stuff.
     
  5. JewishHobbit Registered

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    It's pure crap.
     
  6. Mee 2 E's are better than 1

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    I had to pay a black guy for my burger the other day! :down:mad:
     
  7. turtlefocker Registered

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    Are there any African American posters on the hype? Just so, you know, it's not biased.
     
  8. Jerry! Registered

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    There is no bias. Even african-americans should know the concept is full of ****.
     
  9. Matt IKYN Guy Groupie

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    Hell no. Its a ridiculous concept. Paying someone for something that didn't actually happen to them. Come off it.
     
  10. Tojo Registered

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    Why should the government apologise for something they had no hand in?

    Why should black and Jewish people receive compensation for something which they were not even involved in, because, y'know, it didn't even happen this or last century(apart from the holocaust)?

    Goddammit.
     
  11. jaguarr Be Your Own Hero

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    I'm of Irish descent. I would like reparations for the hell and mistreatment my ancestors went through. I bet there are some Italian-Americans that feel the same way. And Laotians. And Haitians. And Cubans. And Chinese. And Japanese. And a whole bunch of other races and nationalities that came to this country and were horribly mistreated.

    Or, we could all realize that we are not our ancestors and get on with our lives moving forward rather than living in the past and looking for a free ride from that, somehow.

    jag
     
  12. The Guard Registered

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    I think it's a ridiculous concept. It's too late to apologize to those who were mistreated a long time ago, but not too late to learn from the past mistakes of others. The best method of redemption now is to not mistreat their ancestors, and to learn to treat people with respect now.
     
  13. jaguarr Be Your Own Hero

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    Tell you what. If we can resurrect all the people who were ever done wrong in America throughout history, THEN maybe we can talk about paying THEM since...you know...they're the ones who actually...you know...suffered.

    jag
     
  14. The Professor Registered

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    It's a touchy subject, and it seems like the majority of people who it would be available for wouldn't be concerned for it. That is, until they realized were eligible and had no true concern over the reason behind the money.
     
  15. Mr. Credible jukebox hero

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    yeah... because most white people are rich and most black people are poor, right?

    :rolleyes:
     
  16. Cmill216 Senior Case Officer

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    **** no I don't want no reparations.

    And I'm broke as hell.
     
  17. jaguarr Be Your Own Hero

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    It's Rob's fault, isn't it?

    jag
     
  18. oakzap425 Registered

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    I'd much rather see the money go towards something that's helping the African-American community as a whole, than to them individually.
     
  19. Cmill216 Senior Case Officer

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    Pretty much.
     
  20. jaguarr Be Your Own Hero

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    He's such a bastard. :(

    jag
     
  21. Cmill216 Senior Case Officer

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    It's unfortunate, really.

    He means well, but his *****ebaggian tendencies are too strong to overcome.
     
  22. The Professor Registered

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  23. jaguarr Be Your Own Hero

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    What do you expect from a guy whose personal motto is "*****ebaggin' and Teabaggin'"?

    jag
     
  24. Joker Registered

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    I dont understand the entire concept. I never owned a slave. No black person, or ANY person for that matter, living in this country was ever owned as a slave in this country. Why should they be paid for there ancestors? Also, they used to treat the Irish like s**t too, does that mean they're gonna pay me reperations for that? Or are they going to pay Asians for the terrible conditions on building the railroads and other menial and unsafe tasks they had them doing? Where does it all end?
     
  25. jaguarr Be Your Own Hero

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    Mmmm.....technically if you look at the white slavery trade, that's not entirely true. Plenty of people, particularly women, have been brought from Asia and the former Soviet Union to the U.S. under false pretenses and then forced into servitude, usually as prostitutes.

    jag
     

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