Hypothetical Presidential Election: John McCain vs. Mark Warner

[Matt]

I still think that the ticket will end up as Gulliani/Mccain for the Republican Party.

No way. If Gulliani wins the Republican Primary (and that is a huge IF being as he is a pro-gay, pro-abortion, anti-gun, Republican and the 9/11 appeal will have fully worn off by 2008) then he will definitely need an EXTREMIST Conservative to balance his ticket. I'm talking a Dick Cheney conservative. Otherwise, you can bet your ass a Ross Perot type candidate will run, take all of the extreme conservative/religious conservative votes that Bush in office for 2 terms and put a Democrat right into the White House.

 

[Warhammer]

Warner 100%

 

[CConn]

Mark Warner was the Govenor of Virginia from 2002 to 2006, and had a very successful tenure as Governor.

Oh no, I know that much about him. But I was talking about his politics, his beliefs, his personality. I just haven't seen/heard any of it yet.

 

[Superman79]

Oh no, I know that much about him. But I was talking about his politics, his beliefs, his personality. I just haven't seen/heard any of it yet.

Actually, as far as moderates go, Warner is really quite similar to McCain in beliefs...very middle of the road (blame it on being [technically] from the south).

 

[CConn]

Hmm. Then it'll probably rely on what I think of him personally.

As I said, I never liked McCain. Not so much for his politics (I love moderates), but for his personality.

 

[sinewave]

McCain has worked really hard to make himself into an undesireable candidate in the eyes of moderates and liberals with his behavior these last couple of years. I could see where people we're playing off him sucking up to the likes of Falwell and Bush, even after bashing the former in his 2000 presidential bid and getting smeared and attacked by the latter during that same election, but his latest move of hiring an extremely crooked individual as his campaign manager, Terry Nelson, who was involved in the 2002 New Hampshire phone-jamming scandal that reslted in one of his employees going to jail for his involvement. Plus, that guy has ties to Rove and DeLay and the alleged money laundering controversy in Texas in 2002. Either McCain's sacrificing his ideals to gain a better chance at winning the Presidency, or he's just completely been fooling everyone about what kind of politician he really is. Either way, I'm not voting for the prick.

 

[Chris B]

Second, same situation with Evan Bayh and Mark Warner. Both are too moderate and would risk losing votes to Ralph Nader. Mark Warner would need a Hilary Clinton or Barack Obama as his running mate.

My entire reasoning with Evan Bayh is that Mark Warner, being only a one-term Governor with no national security or foreign policy experience, needs experience in a running mate, especially in regards to experience in foreign policy.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Here at the hype does it really matter which republican you pit against which democrat? Seriously. The democrat will win in a landslide every time, because I have fifty accounts and I will vote democrat with every single one of them.

j/k

But I will vote democrat with the account I do have. I only have one other account called Spider-Bite2, and I've never even posted with it one time.

 

[spider-bite2]

and to prove I just logged into it and posted with it for the first time. Don't ask me to explain why I started this account. It's a long story.

 

[SentinelMind]

Who would win this election? It would be very close. However, if McCain keeps arguing that we need to send more troops (even just temporarily), then he's going to get lambasted in the general. While a significant portion of the general public knows and likes McCain to some extent, if people identify him as Bush's lackey who wants more troops, then he's going down.

Warner is sort of moderate, but I think his appeal is that he's practical and accomplished manager-type governor. Bayh and Warner are similar, but people tend to like Warner over Bayh because Bayh is actually moderate with a good record, whereas Warner is a bit of a populist with a successful record and more inspirational speaker.

I would vote Warner in a second. A Warner/Bayh ticket would be tough to beat, but I notice this ticket reminds me a lot of the Clinton/Gore ticket (two sons of the South, who went to Washington and had trouble with Congress).

 

[Spider-Bite]

Who would win this election? It would be very close. However, if McCain keeps arguing that we need to send more troops (even just temporarily), then he's going to get lambasted in the general. While a significant portion of the general public knows and likes McCain to some extent, if people identify him as Bush's lackey who wants more troops, then he's going down.

Warner is sort of moderate, but I think his appeal is that he's practical and accomplished manager-type governor. Bayh and Warner are similar, but people tend to like Warner over Bayh because Bayh is actually moderate with a good record, whereas Warner is a bit of a populist with a successful record and more inspirational speaker.

I would vote Warner in a second. A Warner/Bayh ticket would be tough to beat, but I notice this ticket reminds me a lot of the Clinton/Gore ticket (two sons of the South, who went to Washington and had trouble with Congress).

Most analysts disagree with that. They say part of what made Clinton such a great president was that he worked together with the republicans, and was more of a uniter rather than a divider. A lot of good things got done while Clinton was president, even when republicans had control of the house. Yeah there were conflicts, but when common ground was possible they stood on it.

 

[Superman79]

Most analysts disagree with that. They say part of what made Clinton such a great president was that he worked together with the republicans, and was more of a uniter rather than a divider. A lot of good things got done while Clinton was president, even when republicans had control of the house. Yeah there were conflicts, but when common ground was possible they stood on it.

and on that note I unvail the Newt Gingrich/Bill Clinton ticket!!!

Think about it...those were the two guys who got stuff done in the 90's by working together. If they united...they would pwn. Cool? Yes. Realistic. Nope.

 

[Spider-Bite]

ut uh. No Newt gingrich for me.

 

[Chris B]

Who would win this election? It would be very close. However, if McCain keeps arguing that we need to send more troops (even just temporarily), then he's going to get lambasted in the general. While a significant portion of the general public knows and likes McCain to some extent, if people identify him as Bush's lackey who wants more troops, then he's going down.

Warner is sort of moderate, but I think his appeal is that he's practical and accomplished manager-type governor. Bayh and Warner are similar, but people tend to like Warner over Bayh because Bayh is actually moderate with a good record, whereas Warner is a bit of a populist with a successful record and more inspirational speaker.

I would vote Warner in a second. A Warner/Bayh ticket would be tough to beat, but I notice this ticket reminds me a lot of the Clinton/Gore ticket (two sons of the South, who went to Washington and had trouble with Congress).

I pretty much agree with just about everything you have just said. I hope that Warner does change his mind and decides to run for President.