I Am Going to Tell Them It Was All Your Idea: The Supporting Cast Thread

[The Lazarus Pit]

Would you also change Ramirez to Montoya?

I meant to say Stephens to Bullock - I corrected it

Ramirez could’ve worked as Montoya but she was corrupt, so I could see people being upset about that. I wouldn’t have minded though.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Nolan not using canon names for those characters shows an admirable restraint, imo. The near total lack of fan service in those movies is nice and I wouldn’t have wanted to have Montoya in particular characterized that way. Bullock being there just to die would have been lame and while I get why people don’t like the Robin name twist he’s also just not Dick Grayson so that would have been way more annoying.

 

[BobJM]

If Reeves included Robin in Part II, this kid Owen Cooper just won an Emmy tonight.

 

[BobJM]

And Stephen Graham for Bullock

 

[Luke995]

Nolan not using canon names for those characters shows an admirable restraint, imo. The near total lack of fan service in those movies is nice and I wouldn’t have wanted to have Montoya in particular characterized that way. Bullock being there just to die would have been lame and while I get why people don’t like the Robin name twist he’s also just not Dick Grayson so that would have been way more annoying.

Personally, growing up I'm more and more annoyed by how snobbish was Nolan towards something like the 70% of Batman's lore.

Don't misunderstand me, his movies are solid, but his obsession with the realism, with the fact to be taken seriously and not as "a cinecomic director" at the end was very castrating for the trilogy (Two Face which is not a man with double personality but just a mad man looking for revenge; Alfred who is "too realistically worried" for Bruce in TDKR and so his only narrative utility is to... disappear; Robin who has NOT to be called like that; Selina who has not to be Catwoman and used just because Jonah insisted... and I could go on... yeah, the 90% of the problem was in TDKR, that movie is good but he had so much wasted potential, damn).

Like Burton he's not a full fan and he took the parts of Batman he liked most, of course, but you're making movies about a goddamn man dressed like a bat.
I'm so happy that Reeves is a batnerd and I like how much he makes homages to the lore (even the 60s series!) adapting it in fresh and coherent ways.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Personally, growing up I'm more and more annoyed by how snobbish was Nolan towards something like the 70% of Batman's lore.

Don't misunderstand me, his movies are solid, but his obsession with the realism, with the fact to be taken seriously and not as "a cinecomic director" at the end was very castrating for the trilogy (Two Face which is not a man with double personality but just a mad man looking for revenge; Alfred who is "too realistically worried" for Bruce in TDKR and so his only narrative utility is to... disappear; Robin who has NOT to be called like that; Selina who has not to be Catwoman and used just because Jonah insisted... and I could go on... yeah, the 90% of the problem was in TDKR, that movie is good but he had so much wasted potential, damn).

Like Burton he's not a full fan and he took the parts of Batman he liked most, of course, but you're making movies about a goddamn man dressed like a bat.
I'm so happy that Reeves is a batnerd and I like how much he makes homages to the lore (even the 60s series!) adapting it in fresh and coherent ways.

Obviously, we're coming at this from different angles but I personally think that's a total misread of Nolan and they're both coming at it from very similar places. Reeves, if anything, is potentially more dedicated to making things grounded and "realistic" than Nolan ever was - Nolan is just going for Bond fantasy rather than sci-fi or classic superhero fantasy. The idea TDKR is some ultra pretentious effort at realism and not him mostly screwing around having fun making a pseudo-Bond film just doesn't add up to me. Or, frankly, that it isn't heavily rooted in the comics - half of it is inspired by The Cult, which is a hell of a deep cut.

He made changes to suit his own voice and the story he wanted to tell, which is ultimately what these characters are for: they exist to be reinterpreted. Reeves is doing the exact same thing, I'd argue some of his takes are just as divergent from "lore" as Nolan's was.

Nolan was a guy who thought the comics were cool and full of interesting concepts but had no fan devotion to it or need to be precious about it. I, tbh, suspect while Reeves is a bit more of a "fan" some of that he plays up for interviews (which is super normal and fine, I think he just mostly is an old school fan from childhood) he's in a pretty similar spot. Which is great! Fans adapting beloved properties is half of why they're mostly awful.

 

[Luke995]

Well, Nolan - if I recall well - involved Goyer in the project specifically because he knew the comics and he didn't so much.

I fully agree on the adaptation and on the changing for the sensibility of the director, but if you like only a (small, to me) portion of a huge character... you will leave so much down the road.

To me, at the end of the day, Batman is to Reeves what Bond is to Nolan. You can truly see the fun of Reeves in adapt things, something I could not see so much in Nolan. That's all.

 

[BobJM]

 

[Luke995]

YES

 

[Sawyer]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

 

[SupermansPal]

Frances McDormand as Leslie Thompkins has been my fancast for a long time

 

[Mindreaper21]

Priah Ferguson as Barbra Gordon.
Let’s Go!

 

[Sawyer]

Cooper Hoffman for someone. Idk who, I’m not a ****ing casting director.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Cooper Hoffman for someone. Idk who, I’m not a ****ing casting director.

A victim.

 

[BobJM]

Frances McDormand as Leslie Thompkins has been my fancast for a long timeView attachment 148372

Great actress and I’m sure she’d be great in the role, but my gut tells me they’ll cast a character actress for Leslie—assuming she’ll be a relatively minor supporting character (but opportunity to appear more in a Catwoman series, for example)

I keep thinking Sarita Choudhury or even Essie Davis is killing it on Alien: Earth right now.

Even Angela Bassett too; Oscar-nominated & A-list but she’ll still do TV and oddball roles—

 

[Sawyer]

My Leslie Thompkins candidates…

Helen Hunt (62)



Amy Brenneman (61)



Marianne Jean-Baptiste (58)



Laura Dern (58)



Patricia Arquette (57)



Amy Ryan (57)



Audra McDonald (55)

 

[BobJM]

Ooh good call with Marianne Jean-Baptiste; I may have to steal that

 

[J.Drangal]

My Leslie Thompkins candidates…

Helen Hunt (62)

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Amy Brenneman (61)

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Marianne Jean-Baptiste (58)

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Laura Dern (58)

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Patricia Arquette (57)

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Amy Ryan (57)

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Audra McDonald (55)

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I had never noticed it before, but Helen Hunt's face looks a lot like my idea of Leslie.
I don't know much about Marianne Jean Baptiste, but she seems to have the warmth I expect from this character. Otherwise, I love Amy Ryan : I hadn't imagined her in this role, but she can be touching (and funny) in the blink of an eye, which could make for a nice contrast with Pattinson's reserved Bruce Wayne.
Rooting for Kyle McLachlan to eventually appear somewhere in a version of Gotham-City or another, I'd gladly welcome another member of the Lynch universe like Laura Dern!

Otherwise, what about Gillian Anderson?

 

[BobJM]

I had never noticed it before, but Helen Hunt's face looks a lot like my idea of Leslie.
I don't know much about Marianne Jean Baptiste, but she seems to have the warmth I expect from this character. Otherwise, I love Amy Ryan : I hadn't imagined her in this role, but she can be touching (and funny) in the blink of an eye, which could make for a nice contrast with Pattinson's reserved Bruce Wayne.
Rooting for Kyle McLachlan to eventually appear somewhere in a version of Gotham-City or another, I'd gladly welcome another member of the Lynch universe like Laura Dern!

Otherwise, what about Gillian Anderson?
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Marianne Jean-Baptiste is a fabulous actress; I really thought she would get an Oscar nom for her role in Hard Truths last year (she was nominated for a BAFTA though).

If the use any of Tomlin’s The Imposter, Jean-Baptiste really would be great

 

[RokMeAmadeus]

And Stephen Graham for Bullock

That would actually be pretty peak

 

[Babillygunn]

That's what I thought, too, but he's apparently Arnold Flass a corrupt Gotham detective and Gordon's former partner and Max Eckhardt is the guy in '89.

In Year One, Flass is supposed to be a jacked up gym bro, but Nolan had him eating too much falafel.