I kinda hope this movie bombs....

[Celestial]

Exactly! Well put. Notice how Fox fast-tracked X3 the week after Singer signed with WB? In a perfect world Fox would be professional enough to swallow their pride and wait for Singer to be available (considering they were responsible for delaying X3).

But I think Fox ego's have ruined the original vision.

That's a pretty slow fat-track. They waited around 6 months before signing another director.

 

[Chris M]

That's a pretty slow fat-track. They waited around 6 months before signing another director.

They immediatley cancelled Singer's option and declared their intention to find another director to start filming as soon as possible. Which was in stark contrast to their previous go-slow attitude.

 

[Chris M]

These aren't three separate films Chris.. even though not written at the same time, they do honour and respect and follow through on the preceding events and bring them to a climax. I don't think the writers sat down and thought of profits, they sat down and tried to continued the characters' stories (though some parameters were set by the studio).

I agree that the writers had the best interests of the characters at heart, it's the parameters of the producers that frustrate me.

But then, Hollywood is a business - that aint ever gonna change

 

[supersync4d]

I read the first post and thought .. "good *****in god, not another ungrateful whiny nitwit"

 

[CapBeerCino]

I read the first post and thought .. "good *****in god, not another ungrateful whiny nitwit"

Thanx for sharing.

 

[Montoya]

Mr. Stark maybe someone has touched on this before but I understand your feelings about the movies not following the comic sory lines. The problem with that is the movies has a short period of time to tell a story. IF you told the Xmen story from the begining it would take a thousand movies. I have been a marvel fan for close to 25 years and I was upset with some of the changes done in all the movies they have released so far. I feel that some leeway(sp) should be given to the Movie studioa when bring comic books we all know and love back to life. i am also Harry Potter fan and was upset and some on the stuff left out of the movies but every page equals a min of screen time so think about the math, the last HP movie would have been 750 min long. Granted I wouldn't have cared but the studio isn't going to shell out that type of money. Now I would start to worry if they wanted to bring the Secret Wars to the big screen. Now that is a comic that should be done in a bunch of movies.

PS Please dont flip out if the story of Venoms isnt from the comic story line( which by the way many people dont know the true story of venom). It's just a movie.

 

[the_scream]

I want this film to bomb so they can reboot the series and do it properly with the original X-Men team: Xavier, Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Iceman and Angel. These films are all about Wolverine and I'm sick of it.

 

[Montoya]

You have to understand any biz today is about making money. Wolive sells tickets so they will push him till he doesnt make money anymore. hell i would love them to do the old school Xmen. Hell I would love an avengers movie but the amount of moeny it would take to do it would be crazy. You have to step out side of the box for a sec an look at what Marvel and Fox really are. Compnays who want to make money. Stan Lee is set for the rest of his life so he isnt going to compailn to much. Besides I think Fox has done a hell of job with the Xmen movies. i love them and plan to see everyone that is made.

P.S. think of all the new fans that are created because of the movies who will in turn end up loving the comics.

 

[thegameq]

I knew someone would bring this up. What exactly do you call Aragorn? Gimli and Legolas were cool, but they were just grunts. Aragorn, the hobbits, and partially Gandalf were the multi-demensional characters (and that took 12 hours worth of movie keep in mind)

Yes, and X-men should have been given a similar treatment when considering the scope of the source material.

 

[thegameq]

LOTR was everything that the X-Men series was not...and should have been. Imagine 3 movies of nothing but Gimli.

 

[cyke93]

I want this film to bomb so they can reboot the series and do it properly with the original X-Men team: Xavier, Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Iceman and Angel. These films are all about Wolverine and I'm sick of it.

it took superman about 20 years to get another film going so dont be surprised for x-men

 

[thegameq]

A reboot would be the best bet.

GET OUTTA MT HEAD!!!

 

[thegameq]

First of alll , Legitimately, it would be unrealistic to expcet them to make the Dark Phoenix saga EXACTLY like the comcs. It would be too expensive and take too long.

True, but I'm sure similar things were said about LOTR saga. Warner Bros. stepped up to the plate and smacked a homerun--hell, they made history. They created what many now consider the benchmark trilogy for all films. They singlehandedly revived the "Sword and Socery" genre by doing it with the utmost respect for the source material with all of it's darkness, seriousness and artistry intact (no doubt the way the author intended it). Perhaps moreso, they created a fantasy genre film with all seriousness and respect in mind. The LOTR films were clearly created to be great films, not popcorn flicks or a cash cow.

The bottom line, no matter how you slice it, is that Fox didn't step up to the plate for this franchise the way WB did for the LOTR. Yes it would have been a risk, but considering the built in audience this franchise enjoys (thats guaranteed box office profits in Fox-speak) the rewards would have been huge. A truly stunning film Fox could have made.

 

[X-Maniac]

True, but I'm sure similar things were said about LOTR saga. Warner Bros. stepped up to the plate and smacked a homerun--hell, they made history. They created what many now consider the benchmark trilogy for all films. They singlehandedly revived the "Sword and Socery" genre by doing it with the utmost respect for the source material with all of it's darkness, seriousness and artistry intact (no doubt the way the author intended it). Perhaps moreso, they created a fantasy genre film with all seriousness and respect in mind. The LOTR films were clearly created to be great films, not popcorn flicks or a cash cow.

The bottom line, no matter how you slice it, is that Fox didn't step up to the plate for this franchise the way WB did for the LOTR. Yes it would have been a risk, but considering the built in audience this franchise enjoys (thats guaranteed box office profits in Fox-speak) the rewards would have been huge. A truly stunning film Fox could have made.

The original Phoenix Saga would not translate directly to film. The emergence of Phoenix, her saving the universe in the M'Krann Crystal, her dealing with her new powers siwtching on and off due to psychic circuit breakers, her slow corruption by Frost/Mastermind, her turning into Dark Phoenix and flying off in to space and devouring a sun - thus killing a planet of billions, her return to earth, her defeat by Xavier, the battle on the moon resulting in her sacrifice, and her return years later from a cocoon in the bay - all that took place over many, many years of comicbook issues. It would never work in one movie, not even its own trilogy.

 

[kevhulk73]

True, but I'm sure similar things were said about LOTR saga. Warner Bros. stepped up to the plate and smacked a homerun--hell, they made history. They created what many now consider the benchmark trilogy for all films. They singlehandedly revived the "Sword and Socery" genre by doing it with the utmost respect for the source material with all of it's darkness, seriousness and artistry intact (no doubt the way the author intended it). Perhaps moreso, they created a fantasy genre film with all seriousness and respect in mind. The LOTR films were clearly created to be great films, not popcorn flicks or a cash cow.

The bottom line, no matter how you slice it, is that Fox didn't step up to the plate for this franchise the way WB did for the LOTR. Yes it would have been a risk, but considering the built in audience this franchise enjoys (thats guaranteed box office profits in Fox-speak) the rewards would have been huge. A truly stunning film Fox could have made.

Unfortunately, Your idea is out of context with how historically the movies played out.


REMEMBER, X-men 1 was made BEFORE the success of LOTR and at a time when Hollywood had lost faith in SUPERHERO movies in general. ( because of the abysmal failure that is Batman and Robin)

Historically speaking, X-men and Blade turned the tide as modest succeses.

it was only when Singer was starting prep work for X3 that he toyed with the idea of filming X3/X4 back to back. ( stated in inetrviews when he was still attached to Battlestar I think )



With Respect, you ideas are akin to shoulda, coulda ,woulda...... rather than acknowledgemnt of how historically everything played out.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

Think about wanting this movie to bomb for one second. If this movie bombs then there is no chance for another to where is can be made the way you want it. I for one thought X-2 was good but it seemed a little boring at times. I think a more action pact movie is what comic fans expect from x-men. Sure the story may not be a oscar winner. Its a comic book sunner movie. Just have fun with it dude.

 

[BMM]

Think about wanting this movie to bomb for one second. If this movie bombs then there is no chance for another to where is can be made the way you want it. I for one thought X-2 was good but it seemed a little boring at times. I think a more action pact movie is what comic fans expect from x-men. Sure the story may not be a oscar winner. Its a comic book sunner movie. Just have fun with it dude.

Yeah . . . that's what the first two films did a good job of avoiding, just being another "comic book" action movie, and they were very well received because of it.

 

[Darkdd]

If this movie bombs,do you honestly expect too see another one?

 

[thegameq]

The original Phoenix Saga would not translate directly to film. The emergence of Phoenix, her saving the universe in the M'Krann Crystal, her dealing with her new powers siwtching on and off due to psychic circuit breakers, her slow corruption by Frost/Mastermind, her turning into Dark Phoenix and flying off in to space and devouring a sun - thus killing a planet of billions, her return to earth, her defeat by Xavier, the battle on the moon resulting in her sacrifice, and her return years later from a cocoon in the bay - all that took place over many, many years of comicbook issues. It would never work in one movie, not even its own trilogy.

Of course it would be condensed for film to some degree, but the source material would still be intact. I think many people here have a small LIMITED veiw of the X-men. The X-men books are epic, thus the film would likewise have to be epic. Would it be expensive (perhaps the most expensive trilogy in history with all the FX shots-WETA or ILM PLEASE, NOT JOES BARGAIN HOUSE OF FX) I could definitely see that as a possibility.

The X-films should be both grand/epic and personal/dramatic with a fantasy element being the backdrop, rather than center stage, ala LOTR, Star Trek, HP. I want to include the original SW tilogy rather than the current trilogy because the newer trilogy was overwrought with FX that overpowered the films.

 

[Kurosawa]

True, but I'm sure similar things were said about LOTR saga. Warner Bros. stepped up to the plate and smacked a homerun--hell, they made history. They created what many now consider the benchmark trilogy for all films. They singlehandedly revived the "Sword and Socery" genre by doing it with the utmost respect for the source material with all of it's darkness, seriousness and artistry intact (no doubt the way the author intended it). Perhaps moreso, they created a fantasy genre film with all seriousness and respect in mind. The LOTR films were clearly created to be great films, not popcorn flicks or a cash cow.

The bottom line, no matter how you slice it, is that Fox didn't step up to the plate for this franchise the way WB did for the LOTR. Yes it would have been a risk, but considering the built in audience this franchise enjoys (thats guaranteed box office profits in Fox-speak) the rewards would have been huge. A truly stunning film Fox could have made.

LOTR is now the standard by which all other fantasy adaptations must be judged. And compared to it, the X-franchise falls pathetically short. Only Raimi's Spider-Man films come close.

 

[kevhulk73]

LOTR is now the standard by which all other fantasy adaptations must be judged. And compared to it, the X-franchise falls pathetically short. Only Raimi's Spider-Man films come close.

WWAAHHH!!!

why are you even posting....just don't see the movie. I 'll see it enough times to make up for you ....BUh bye

 

[BMM]

If this movie bombs,do you honestly expect too see another one?

Do you honestly think this movie will bomb?

 

[kevhulk73]

LOTR is now the standard by which all other fantasy adaptations must be judged. And compared to it, the X-franchise falls pathetically short. Only Raimi's Spider-Man films come close.

WRONGO..........IF......Raimi puts Venom in Spidey 3 I full exepct you to complain about that ....why? Because HE WON"T MAKE VENOMS origin like the comics. He won't be able to do the secret wars which is exactly the same as not being able to do the Dark pheonix saga . There's too much back story, story, different scenarios, different lead ins, too expensive....



just a weak, weak agrument Kurosawa.

 

[Kurosawa]

WRONGO..........IF......Raimi puts Venom in Spidey 3 I full exepct you to complain about that ....why? Because HE WON"T MAKE VENOMS origin like the comics. He won't be able to do the secret wars which is exactly the same as not being able to do the Dark pheonix saga . There's too much back story, story, different scenarios, different lead ins, too expensive....



just a weak, weak agrument Kurosawa.

Just another weak, weak reply, Wolverine fanboy.

"The story's too complex...waaaa....they might have to actually focus on a character other than my master waaaa...."

Idiot.

 

[kevhulk73]

Just another weak, weak reply, Wolverine fanboy.

"The story's too complex...waaaa....they might have to actually focus on a character other than my master waaaa...."

Idiot.

stoopid poopoo doodie head........


that all you got K?

heheh ?