I love Arnold Schwarzenegger

[ShadowBoxing]

No friggin' way. I know guys in their 60's that are still pumping iron and looking great, regardless of their age. Some of 'em even still compete. They've got lives that are just as busy and stressful as his and they still find time to not become a flabby, out of shape senior citizen and they aren't even paragon's of physical fitness like he's supposed to be.

Key word is some. Most people don't have the genetics to continue weight lifting (and gaining) past 40 let along 50 and 60. Thats why senior citizens are usually overweight. They either begin to breakdown muscle tissue or put weight on faster or get stress in their joints. Frank Zane looks great at his age, but unlike his now flabbier contemporaries, he was a small guy to begin with. So to him bodyfat is not a heavy issue (no pun intended).

Now Arnold, Jay and Ronnie (whom you mention) all put on mass extremely quick. Ronnie especially. I would not be surprised if either gets chunky in their old age.

 

[The Chairman]

Plus Arnold also had heart surgery in 1997, so he probably do anything to too extraneous these days.

 

[Iceman]

He's my Paragon Of Flabbiness.

jag

Arnie needs to head over to the fitness thread.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Key word is some. Most people don't have the genetics to continue weight lifting (and gaining) past 40 let along 50 and 60. Thats why senior citizens are usually overweight. They either begin to breakdown muscle tissue or put weight on faster or get stress in their joints. Frank Zane looks great at his age, but unlike his now flabbier contemporaries, he was a small guy to begin with. So to him bodyfat is not a heavy issue (no pun intended).

Now Arnold, Jay and Ronnie (whom you mention) all put on mass extremely quick. Ronnie especially. I would not be surprised if either gets chunky in their old age.

I am 40 in a few months, I don't bother gaining these days often, as when I am dieted up I am reasonably happy at the 260 pounds odd in the picture I have posted previously. I usually have 12 - 14% bodyfat. I think as usual Jag is right. I know many guys my age in similar shape to me and some diet right up and compete. Old muscle = mature muscle and it looks better.

Ronnie Coleman is 42

Nuff Said!

- Whirly

 

[cryptic name]

that's disgusting

 

[kainedamo]

I am 40 in a few months, I don't bother gaining these days often, as when I am dieted up I am reasonably happy at the 260 pounds odd in the picture I have posted previously. I usually have 12 - 14% bodyfat. I think as usual Jag is right. I know many guys my age in similar shape to me and some diet right up and compete. Old muscle = mature muscle and it looks better.

Ronnie Coleman is 42

Nuff Said!

- Whirly

There is not a chance that is natural. The guy is on steroids.

 

[Whirlysplat]

There is not a chance that is natural. The guy is on steroids.

Well Kaine my friend I suspect you're right lol.

Ronnie used to be a police officer which makes it even more ironic.

- Whirly

 

[The Riddler]

arnold was in awesome shape in 2003 for t3.

my governor can kick your governor's ass.

arnold for president!

 

[Whirlysplat]

arnold was in awesome shape in 2003 for t3.

my governor can kick your governor's ass.

arnold for president!

Yes he was, he does a lot of aerobic exercise now a days allegedly.


- Whirly

 

[Iceman]

arnold was in awesome shape in 2003 for t3.

my governor can kick your governor's ass.

arnold for president!

He was. A big change in 3 years.

 

[LexCorp]

I love him too

 

[Whirlysplat]

He was. A big change in 3 years.

I suspect he is given his heart problems, very healthy on the inside in comparison to pre his op.

- Whirly

 

[Iceman]

I suspect he is given his heart problems, very healthy on the inside in comparison to pre his op.

- Whirly

Yeah & that's more important, especially the older you get.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Yeah & that's more important, especially the older you get.

It sure is, I do so much Cardio these days, I own a slam man, Heavy bag, cyclic trainer and exercise bike.

- Whirly

 

[jaguarr]

Key word is some. Most people don't have the genetics to continue weight lifting (and gaining) past 40 let along 50 and 60. Thats why senior citizens are usually overweight. They either begin to breakdown muscle tissue or put weight on faster or get stress in their joints. Frank Zane looks great at his age, but unlike his now flabbier contemporaries, he was a small guy to begin with. So to him bodyfat is not a heavy issue (no pun intended).

Now Arnold, Jay and Ronnie (whom you mention) all put on mass extremely quick. Ronnie especially. I would not be surprised if either gets chunky in their old age.

Still not buying it. These guys have made a living on controlling and altering their body composition to the "nth" degree. They know how to lose fat, put on muscle, and transform their bodies better than practically anyone on the planet. It doesn't mean they have to keep carrying a ton of muscle, I agree. They should be able to stay in at least somewhat reasonable shape, though. Look at Jack Lallane who's in his 90's and still works out religiously. Look at Lou Ferrigno (who still looks incredible at 54 years old). Even Franco Columbu, one of Arnold's oldest friends and competitors, still looks fantastic at the age of 65 and he (along with Ferrigno) certainly qualified as one of the "big boys". You don't have to be stacked and ripped at that age by any means. But it doesn't mean you stop all physical activity and keep eating like you're competing. To get in the kind of shape Arnie was in that pic almost takes effort, for crying out loud. Even some light cardio, a sensible diet and even some light resistance training can make a huge difference. There are plenty of heart surgery patients who do just that in active recovery, and they don't possess a fraction of the body composition knowledge that a guy like Arnie has.

The sole factor that comes into play with guys like Arnie, Coleman and Cutler is heavy steroid abuse (which is a big part of WHY those guys can put on muscle mass so quickly), which can muck hell with someone's natural hormone profile to the point that their bodies can't balance out naturally. That can cause a lot of metabolism issues, no doubt. But, even then, there are plenty of medical treatments available for these sorts of instances.

Don't get me wrong. I respect the hell out of Arnie for his accomplishments. Like so many others, he was a huge inspiration for me to start working out. But to see him in that flabby and out of shape state, one that I know he had to practically work to get to, is really disheartening because I know he knows better.

jag

 

[Iceman]

It sure is, I do so much Cardio these days, I own a slam man, Heavy bag, cyclic trainer and exercise bike.

- Whirly

True. My goals have changed a lot from when I first started.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Still not buying it. These guys have made a living on controlling and altering their body composition to the "nth" degree. They know how to lose fat, put on muscle, and transform their bodies better than practically anyone on the planet. It doesn't mean they have to keep carrying a ton of muscle, I agree. They should be able to stay in at least somewhat reasonable shape, though. Look at Jack Lallane who's in his 90's and still works out religiously. Look at Lou Ferrigno (who still looks incredible at 54 years old). Even Franco Columbu, one of Arnold's oldest friends and competitors, still looks fantastic at the age of 65 and he (along with Ferrigno) certainly qualified as one of the "big boys". You don't have to be stacked and ripped at that age by any means. But it doesn't mean you stop all physical activity and keep eating like you're competing. To get in the kind of shape Arnie was in that pic almost takes effort, for crying out loud. Even some light cardio, a sensible diet and even some light resistance training can make a huge difference. There are plenty of heart surgery patients who do just that in active recovery, and they don't possess a fraction of the body composition knowledge that a guy like Arnie has.

The sole factor that comes into play with guys like Arnie, Coleman and Cutler is heavy steroid abuse (which is a big part of WHY those guys can put on muscle mass so quickly), which can muck hell with someone's natural hormone profile to the point that their bodies can't balance out naturally. That can cause a lot of metabolism issues, no doubt. But, even then, there are plenty of medical treatments available for these sorts of instances.

Don't get me wrong. I respect the hell out of Arnie for his accomplishments. Like so many others, he was a huge inspiration for me to start working out. But to see him in that flabby and out of shape state, one that I know he had to practically work to get to, is really disheartening because I know he knows better.

jag

You see Jag, I often go through phases of flabbyness, it's a real issue for guys who carry large amounts of mass, when for whatever reason we have a few months off training, we find ourselves still eating lots. I sometimes have times when work is hard and family life is hard when I simply don't have time or energy. Sometimes other things in life take priority from training for Arnie with his political career this is possible. Fat also is less of a struggle for a body to carry sometimes due to the energy in fat being stored rather than respiring constantly and thereby providing effort.

Life often affects what we're doing, i'm sure Arnie doesn't like being a little out of shape, but at the moment his priorities are different.

- Whirly

 

[kainedamo]

Still not buying it. These guys have made a living on controlling and altering their body composition to the "nth" degree. They know how to lose fat, put on muscle, and transform their bodies better than practically anyone on the planet. It doesn't mean they have to keep carrying a ton of muscle, I agree. They should be able to stay in at least somewhat reasonable shape, though. Look at Jack Lallane who's in his 90's and still works out religiously. Look at Lou Ferrigno (who still looks incredible at 54 years old). Even Franco Columbu, one of Arnold's oldest friends and competitors, still looks fantastic at the age of 65 and he (along with Ferrigno) certainly qualified as one of the "big boys". You don't have to be stacked and ripped at that age by any means. But it doesn't mean you stop all physical activity and keep eating like you're competing. To get in the kind of shape Arnie was in that pic almost takes effort, for crying out loud. Even some light cardio, a sensible diet and even some light resistance training can make a huge difference. There are plenty of heart surgery patients who do just that in active recovery, and they don't possess a fraction of the body composition knowledge that a guy like Arnie has.

The sole factor that comes into play with guys like Arnie, Coleman and Cutler is heavy steroid abuse (which is a big part of WHY those guys can put on muscle mass so quickly), which can muck hell with someone's natural hormone profile to the point that their bodies can't balance out naturally. That can cause a lot of metabolism issues, no doubt. But, even then, there are plenty of medical treatments available for these sorts of instances.

Don't get me wrong. I respect the hell out of Arnie for his accomplishments. Like so many others, he was a huge inspiration for me to start working out. But to see him in that flabby and out of shape state, one that I know he had to practically work to get to, is really disheartening because I know he knows better.

jag

Dude... you said it yourself, steroids screwed him up. The guy has had MAJOR heart problems. He can't put too much strain on his ticker.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Dude... you said it yourself, steroids screwed him up. The guy has had MAJOR heart problems. He can't put too much strain on his ticker.

Everyone blames the gear, it's actually only a possible reason, his family had a history of heart problems, many steroid users like Franco Columbo, ?hulk Hogan, Jessie Venturer have no heart problems or visible metabolic issues.

- Whirly

 

[enterthemadness]

jag

That's just sad. he needs to get back in shape, but I doubt he'll ever get back into the form he had in the late 80's or mid 90's. He's too old.

 

[jaguarr]

You see Jag, I often go through phases of flabbyness, it's a real issue for guys who carry large amounts of mass, when for whatever reason we have a few months off training, we find ourselves still eating lots. I sometimes have times when work is hard and family life is hard when I simply don't have time or energy. Sometimes other things in life take priority from training for Arnie with his political career this is possible. Fat also is less of a struggle for a body to carry sometimes due to the energy in fat being stored rather than respiring constantly and thereby providing effort.

Life often affects what we're doing, i'm sure Arnie doesn't like being a little out of shape, but at the moment his priorities are different.

- Whirly

Yeah, I know he's probably got different priorities at this point in life. I also know what it's like to have a lot of mass and what can happen if you don't keep it in check (that's why I know how little activity Arnie's really been doing to get into the shape he was in that pic). But he's not "a little" out of shape in that pic, and you and I both know that.

Dude... you said it yourself, steroids screwed him up. The guy has had MAJOR heart problems. He can't put too much strain on his ticker.

He didn't have MAJOR heart problems. He had a small hole repaired that could have become a major problem for him if he hadn't. That said, most cardiologists push their post-op patients to engage in some sort of light physical activity like walking at the very least to help strengthen the heart and build it back up. It is a muscle, after all. You don't have to strain and stress it to build it up, either. Just a little bit goes a long way with the ol' ticker.

jag

 

[Whirlysplat]

He didn't have MAJOR heart problems. He had a small hole repaired that could have become a major problem for him if he hadn't. That said, most cardiologists push their post-op patients to engage in some sort of light physical activity like walking at the very least to help strengthen the heart and build it back up. It is a muscle, after all. You don't have to strain and stress it to build it up, either. Just a little bit goes a long way with the ol' ticker.

jag

He also allegedly had the pig heart valve.

The pic looks like a lot of loose skin as much as fat, suggesting reduced muscle mass.

- Whirly

 

[jaguarr]

He also allegedly had the pig heart valve.

The pic looks like a lot of loose skin as much as fat, suggesting reduced muscle mass.

- Whirly

"Allegedly" being the key word. There was a lot of argument over that one in the bodybuilding and medical communities.

At any rate, it is what it is. I know he's a busy guy with a lot on his plate. Just sad to see someone who made themselves a household name because of their physique and who has always touted physical fitness as one of the most important things a person can do let themselves go like that.

jag

 

[enterthemadness]

If Arnold was a wrestler, I bet he would own everybody. except Goldberg, Goldberg would spear him in half.

 

[Whirlysplat]

"Allegedly" being the key word. There was a lot of argument over that one in the bodybuilding and medical communities.

At any rate, it is what it is. I know he's a busy guy with a lot on his plate. Just sad to see someone who made themselves a household name because of their physique and who has always touted physical fitness as one of the most important things a person can do let themselves go like that.

jag

I agree but it makes you wonder if their is more to it, than meets the eye. Remember he still smokes cigars despite the heart operation, that alone is extremely foolish.

- Whirly