I love Arnold Schwarzenegger

[jaguarr]

If Arnold was a wrestler, I bet he would own everybody. except Goldberg, Goldberg would spear him in half.

Do us all a favor and superglue your hands to your face so you can't post anymore.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

I agree but it makes you wonder if their is more to it, than meets the eye. Remember he still smokes cigars despite the heart operation, that alone is extremely foolish.

- Whirly

Yeah, I agree. The cigars are definitely a bad idea for anyone, let alone someone with a heart condition. Going by the pic alone, there's something else going on with him that they've managed to keep a secret.

jag

 

[Whirlysplat]

Do us all a favor and superglue your hands to your face so you can't post anymore.

jag

Ouch lol

- Whirly

 

[Whirlysplat]

Yeah, I agree. The cigars are definitely a bad idea for anyone, let alone someone with a heart condition. Going by the pic alone, there's something else going on with him that they've managed to keep a secret.

jag

I agree totally.

- Whirly

 

[SpideyInATree]

 

[enterthemadness]

Do us all a favor and superglue your hands to your face so you can't post anymore.

jag

Will d-- hey, that isn't nice!

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Arnold is the best thing to happen to CA since sand.

 

[Darthphere]

No friggin' way. I know guys in their 60's that are still pumping iron and looking great, regardless of their age. Some of 'em even still compete. They've got lives that are just as busy and stressful as his and they still find time to not become a flabby, out of shape senior citizen and they aren't even paragon's of physical fitness like he's supposed to be. Some say Arnie got so completely out of shape due to his heart condition, but I'm not sure if I completely buy that. In those pics, he looks grotesquely out of shape and it takes a lot of inactivity and a whole lot of food to get like that. I really do expect more out of guys like him. If Coleman or Cutler did the same thing, they'd be getting the same criticism. These guys have given countless speeches about how it's unacceptable to let yourself go and that there is ALWAYS time for some sort of physical fitness, even if just a small bit, because our bodies are the only things we've got. I just want to see them walk the talk.

jag

I think hes like busy running a state and ****.

 

[jaguarr]

I think hes like busy running a state and ****.

That's debatable, according to some of my friends in Cali.

jag

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Everyone blames the gear, it's actually only a possible reason, his family had a history of heart problems, many steroid users like Franco Columbo, ?hulk Hogan, Jessie Venturer have no heart problems or visible metabolic issues.

- Whirly

Actually they all did steroids. Every last one of them, even the ones who claim to be mostly natural or natural. There are a *very* few who claim natural bodies and can actually back up their claims.

 

[DOG LIPS]

Lal, I luff dis guy, lal!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Plus Arnold also had heart surgery in 1997, so he probably do anything to too extraneous these days.

It's not just hard work. Anyone who touts hard work as the end all be all is full of themselves. Genetics are a far bigger factor in how you look any day of the week. Hard work is key to maximizing your own personal potential. I personally see a big double standard. If that were someone's grandfather he'd be considered in great shape, but Arnold has to be perfect until the day he croaks apparently. If he is "good" or "okay" or just "healthy" of f*** no, we have to dump on him. If you look that good at 60 then you can open up your mouth. But the truth is if 60 year olds had a easy time doing such things there would be a huge amount of people in the 50+ class of the Bodybuilding competitions (I was at one today - awesome ). There were three contestants and one wasn't even worth being in the competition. We all quote Jack Lalane or Charles Atlas saying look at them, look at how healthy they are. We forget that probably about 80-90% of people who exercise couldn't even begin to consider a career in bodybuilding. Sure people work hard to get where they are, but the reason they are there in the first place is because they can be, not because they worked hard. Athletes don't wake up one day and go "you know what I am going to do - athletics, I've never done it". No, hardly ever if ever, they wake up and go "you know what I've always had some talent in - athletics".

Thats what people forget when they criticize people like this. "Oh look at him, he stopped trying". . No, he got old, life got in the way or there is some other factor why Arnold got flabby. It is not from being lazy.

It's like they have to be better than everyone else. Dude Arnold is just a person, not a God, not a demigod, a person. He has genetics and a body that will put on weight and lose muscle at a certain age.

By the way, for those who posted a picture of Ronny Coleman at 42 should know two things about Ronny 1) He became a pro bodybuilder in two years, that is almost unheard of. and 2) He probably used more steroids than an entire Gold's Gym.

 

[Cyclops]

He was. A big change in 3 years.

Those beach photos are old.

 

[jaguarr]

It's not just hard work. Anyone who touts hard work as the end all be all is full of themselves. Genetics are a far bigger factor in how you look any day of the week. Hard work is key to maximizing your own personal potential. I personally see a big double standard. If that were someone's grandfather he'd be considered in great shape, but Arnold has to be perfect until the day he croaks apparently. If he is "good" or "okay" or just "healthy" of f*** no, we have to dump on him. If you look that good at 65 then you can open up your mouth. But the truth is if 60 year olds had a easy time doing such things there would be a huge amount of people in the 50+ class of the Bodybuilding competitions (I was at one today - awesome ). There were three contestants and one wasn't even worth being in the competition. We all quote Jack Lalane or Charles Atlas saying look at them, look at how healthy they are. We forget that probably about 80-90% of people who exercise couldn't even begin to consider a career in bodybuilding. Sure people work hard to get where they are, but the reason they are there in the first place is because they can be, not because they worked hard. Athletes don't wake up one day and go "you know what I am going to do - athletics, I've never done it". No, hardly ever if ever, they wake up and go "you know what I've always had some talent in - athletics".

Thats what people forget when they criticize people like this. "Oh look at him, he stopped trying". . No, he got old, life got in the way or there is some other factor why Arnold got flabby. It is not from being lazy.

It's like they have to be better than everyone else. Dude Arnold is just a person, not a God, not a demigod, a person. He has genetics and a body that will put on weight and lose muscle at a certain age.

By the way, for those who posted a picture of Ronny Coleman at 42 should know two things about Ronny 1) He became a pro bodybuilder in two years, that is almost unheard of. and 2) He probably used more steroids than an entire Gold's Gym.

Sorry, man, but Arnie is NOT in good shape in that pic by anyone's standards, 60+ years old or not. He's grossly out of shape, as a matter of fact. I'm not saying he should look like he did when he was competing by any stretch of the imagination. But I'd rather see a thinner Arnie who's at least looking like he does something other than eat. Whirly and I speculated that there's more going on with him health-wise than they are letting on that's putting him into that kind of condition.

And don't give me the genetics vs. hard work argument. Dorian Yates and Lee Priest proved that one bogus a long time ago.

jag

 

[DOG LIPS]

^ Dis guy owes me bacon!! Lal!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Sorry, man, but Arnie is NOT in good shape in that pic by anyone's standards, 60+ years old or not. He's grossly out of shape, as a matter of fact. I'm not saying he should look like he did when he was competing by any stretch of the imagination. But I'd rather see a thinner Arnie who's at least looking like he does something other than eat. Whirly and I speculated that there's more going on with him health-wise than they are letting on that's putting him into that kind of condition.

And don't give me the genetics vs. hard work argument. Dorian Yates and Lee Priest proved that one bogus a long time ago.

jag

Both huge steroid users by the way

Dorian Yates is a proponent of the HIT program and has been by the SC gyms once of twice

Dorian Yates looked like this shortly (and while I cannot get a date on these photos the source sites close to a year) after he BEGAN training. I don't care what you say, that has nothing to do with hard work. Frank Zane trained for 10 years before going pro (and a good long while before amateur) however he never reached the size necessary to compete today.

a few years later

As for Lee Priest he has two distinct genetic advantages. One he is short and has massive tendon strength. Two he is a fast gainer.
Here is his off season pic

I would have to stop all forms of training to get half that size.

 

[The Female Torch]

Arnold.Rocks

End of story

 

[Cyclops]

My God, that Yates man is ugly.

 

[jaguarr]

Both huge steroid users by the way

Dorian Yates is a proponent of the HIT program and has been by the SC gyms once of twice

Dorian Yates looked like this shortly (and while I cannot get a date on these photos the source sites close to a year) after he BEGAN training. I don't care what you say, that has nothing to do with hard work. Frank Zane trained for 10 years before going pro (and a good long while before amateur) however he never reached the size necessary to compete today.

a few years later

As for Lee Priest he has two distinct genetic advantages. One he is short and has massive tendon strength. Two he is a fast gainer.
Here is his off season pic

I would have to stop all forms of training to get half that size.

You said it yourself, though. ALL the big boys are on gear. Maybe some like Cutler and Coleman have very slight genetic advantages, but juice or no juice it still takes a sh1tload of hard work, discipline and dedication to get to the competition level, period. At the pro non-tested level, you can't even get on the stage without having juiced. It's a part of the sport, now, and NO ONE'S genetics will let them get as big as those guys get without that extra boost. Even guys like John Hansen, who's won the Mr. Natural O and is one of the few that can say he's always been natural has talked about overcoming genetic shortcomings to become a title winner. There are plenty of competitors in the sport, natural or otherwise, who don't have perfect genetics for bodybuilding.

jag

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You said it yourself, though. ALL the big boys are on gear. Maybe some like Cutler and Coleman have very slight genetic advantages, but juice or no juice it still takes a sh1tload of hard work, discipline and dedication to get to the competition level, period.

You're right hard work is part of it. But in order to compete any competent person will tell you. You need TALENT. That is the X-Factor that trumps all other X-Factors. And I know some people who get by on Talent alone. I know nobody who can claim hard work without the innate talents required, at least some if not many. People who don't find themselves as fast runners and are not strong do not play Football. People who have poor hand eye coordination probably will never pick up a baseball.

If you really thing genetics is a non issue or that hard work is what counts, your fooling yourself. Before you ever consider training to compete in anything you have to see yourself as a competitor, peroid. You have to some genetic advantage over others or quiet frankly you'd never pick it up in the first place.

At the pro non-tested level, you can't even get on the stage without having juiced. It's a part of the sport, now, and NO ONE'S genetics will let them get as big as those guys get without that extra boost.

Actually don't fool yourself. The tested levels are a joke. Testing from my understanding now consists of a polygraph and sometimes a blood test which tends to test for only one or two types of steroids.

Even guys like John Hansen, who's won the Mr. Natural O and is one of the few that can say he's always been natural has talked about overcoming genetic shortcomings to become a title winner. There are plenty of competitors in the sport, natural or otherwise, who don't have perfect genetics for bodybuilding.

jag

STRAW MAN: No one said perfect. Serge Nubert had perfect genetics. Brad Pitt has perfect genetics. Jessica Alba has perfect genetics. Arnold also is considered a perfect specimen of his day.

Yet there are people who eat right, and train right and barely look different 10 years later. There are people who train and train hard and only can stay the same. It's just a fact of life. You cannot turn lead into gold, only shinnier lead.

John Hansen also started training around 14 so he says. That around when most people hit puberty. It is impossible for me to tell you what he would have looked like at 18 had he not trained. Although I guarentee you he would have been big, although not like a bodybuilder.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

My God, that Yates man is ugly.

He really is

 

[Whirlysplat]

Actually they all did steroids. Every last one of them, even the ones who claim to be mostly natural or natural. There are a *very* few who claim natural bodies and can actually back up their claims.

That's the point I'm making they did the gear and had no heart problems, read my post again.

- Whirly

 

[jaguarr]

You're right hard work is part of it. But in order to compete any competent person will tell you. You need TALENT. That is the X-Factor that trumps all other X-Factors. And I know some people who get by on Talent alone. I know nobody who can claim hard work without the innate talents required, at least some if not many. People who don't find themselves as fast runners and are not strong do not play Football. People who have poor hand eye coordination probably will never pick up a baseball.

The gist of my point eludes you. Compared to Joe Average, yes guys like Yates and Priest have more genetic ability to bodybuild and compete. Compared to the guys they are competing against, though, they do NOT. In fact, they have some distinct disadvantages compared to many of their competition, but they overcame those through hard work and perseverance to become champions. Yes, they used juice to do it, but so were their competition.

If you really thing genetics is a non issue or that hard work is what counts, your fooling yourself. Before you ever consider training to compete in anything you have to see yourself as a competitor, peroid. You have to some genetic advantage over others or quiet frankly you'd never pick it up in the first place.

First, don't talk down to me like I'm some star-crossed neophyte where all of this is concerned. You do have my respect and regard based on our previous conversations, but if you keep up the condescending attitude that's going to change. I'll treat you with respect and civility so long as you return in kind. Second, at the competition level, those who are successful are those who had some talent to begin with, as you note above. However, I have seen people with much less talent than their more gifted competitors win because they were hungrier, wanted it more, and worked harder for it. It's true in every sport or competition of any kind, and bodybuilding isn't an exception to that rule.

Actually don't fool yourself. The tested levels are a joke. Testing from my understanding now consists of a polygraph and sometimes a blood test which tends to test for only one or two types of steroids.

Again with the condescension. I'm well aware of what goes on in the sport at even the local levels.

STRAW MAN: No one said perfect. Serge Nubert had perfect genetics. Brad Pitt has perfect genetics. Jessica Alba has perfect genetics. Arnold also is considered a perfect specimen of his day.

I suppose it all rides on what your definition of "perfect genetics" gravitates towards. Again, the point is that there are plenty of competitors, many very successful, who compete in bodybuilding who don't have the genetic gifts of some of the people they are competing against.

Yet there are people who eat right, and train right and barely look different 10 years later. There are people who train and train hard and only can stay the same. It's just a fact of life. You cannot turn lead into gold, only shinnier lead.

If someone trains and eats right for ten years and still looks relatively the same ten years later, are they REALLY training and eating right? My money says no. There's also the matter of what their goals are, I suppose.


jag