i think i'm done with the shumacher movies...

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my belief is that the Burton/Shumacher movies got worse with each one. B89 was a great movie, BR was a damn good movie in it's own right, BF was tolerable, and B&R was deplorable. that is still my opinion, but i think i am going to stop acknowledging those final two as batman films.

i was watching BF on TV the other day (and please none of those "movies are better on DVD than on TV" arguments, b/c it is not like Boyz in tha Hood, where major editing is involved), and i noticed that there is no redeeming factor or incentive to watch this, except for Nicole Kidman (the soundtrack is aight, too). i used to think it was cool how they tried to pay homage to the show with the "Holy Metal" scene, but they played it out when they had Robin explain it ("Y'know, holey?"). C'mon now.

there is nothing distinct about this movie. the Burton films had his trademark eeriness and darkness, and his trademark gothic aura, like GOTHam is supposed to be. the city is not supposed to be neon, regardless of what 50s and 60s comics you read. and whereas his films strayed a little from the comics, i'm alright with that, b/c the comics change all the time so it is okay to take liberties, as long as keep the tone and the mood the same.

this being said, i still like B66. how, you ask, since it is just like BF & B&R? B66 was a campy parody, yes, but it still payed respect to the show. BF & B&R did not do that. they were what they were in an effort to appease the marketing demographic, not the fanbase and the serious movie-going public. (i guess most movies are guilty of this, though, seeing as they are made to make money.) **** the fast-food companies, **** the toy companies, and **** WB for giving into them. if they would have just stuck with original formula, the movies might not do as good at the jump, but they will have a longer-lasting impact then the two shumacher crapfests, which might sell toys, but people will look back at in disgust.

anyway, the franchise (as a whole--all six movies included) is not a total wash. i still hold B89, BR, B66, & BB near and dear to my heart, and those other two can do nothing to change that, except to appreciate them more.

my two cents.
 
I look at B&R as a comic parody of Batman just like B'66
 
Batman Forever is a great film, but yes every copy of B&R should be burnt.
 
I look at B&R as a comic parody of Batman just like B'66
I can't be a parody if they were faithful to the comics they drew inspiration from. Both movies were extremely like the comics of the early '60s.
 
Bah, Arnold's Mr. Freeze owned, owns and will forever own. you think Arnold's bad acting is funny, see how funny it is when he's hamming it up on purpose!

All hail this man:

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I love that picture, those slippers look comfy.


Arnold was kinda funny, I'll give him that.


"j00 nawt sendin' meh to da coolah!"
 
Bah, Arnold's Mr. Freeze owned, owns and will forever own. you think Arnold's bad acting is funny, see how funny it is when he's hamming it up on purpose!

All hail this man:

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Back in 1997 a weeks before opening day of B&R, a newspaper was giving away posters and that picture was my poster and I put it on my wall after seeing the movie I came home I rip the poster.
 
I remember growing up thinking the movies were so cool, because I was just caught up in seeing a movie based on comics that I had read. I probably only like the old movies up until Batman Forever, and that's probably because I thought Jim Carrey was awesome. Uma Thurman looked good to me as Ivy but it wasn't enough to make Batman and Robin a decent movie.
 
Those who complain about Raimi's treatment of Venom in Spider-Man 3 should take a look a Bane in Batman & Robin. Now that is a waste of a character. And he didn't even have a proper fight with Batman-! Bane chokes Batman, and Batman then throws him into a model snowman (!) and hits him with a iron bar (!!).

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It's funny how he goes around with feet warmers and a comfy warm robe when he cant stand the heat :) So many stupid things in B&R. heh.

LOL! Never thought of that one.

I agree, Kev, Bane was a complete waste. They could have atleast given him a good fight with Batman. Too bad Joel had to change the sexuality of all the characters which meant Robin was the only one that winded up hetero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6epsGrcuTs&NR=1
 
Bane was an enormously wasted opportunity to showcase one of the most intruiging Batman nemesis. I would have really enjoyed seeing someone take a chance and bringing a theatrical adaptation of Knightfall to the big screen.
 
Bane was an enormously wasted opportunity to showcase one of the most intruiging Batman nemesis. I would have really enjoyed seeing someone take a chance and bringing a theatrical adaptation of Knightfall to the big screen.

Me too, dude. It's such a great story. Bane unleashes all the villains in Arkham. Batman is run ragged. Bane defeats Batman. New Batman defeats Bane. New Batman goes insane. Real Batman returns.
 
I look at B&R as a comic parody of Batman just like B'66

Those who complain about Raimi's treatment of Venom in Spider-Man 3 should take a look a Bane in Batman & Robin. Now that is a waste of a character. And he didn't even have a proper fight with Batman-! Bane chokes Batman, and Batman then throws him into a model snowman (!) and hits him with a iron bar (!!).

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Batman497.png

Go post that in the Spidey 3 forums!
 
Those who complain about Raimi's treatment of Venom in Spider-Man 3 should take a look a Bane in Batman & Robin. Now that is a waste of a character. And he didn't even have a proper fight with Batman-! Bane chokes Batman, and Batman then throws him into a model snowman (!) and hits him with a iron bar (!!).

It's my pet theory that Schumacher and Akiva Goldsman had literally not read one Bane issue. They read the first paragraph of his character profile (prison, Venom test subject, etc) and took a glimpse at a picture of him. They immediately assumed enormous man = dumb-as-a-rock goon, and put no further thought into it.

And this is giving them the benefit of the doubt. I'd rather just believe that they were ignorant and lazy, because the only other possibility is that they truly hate us.
 
It's my pet theory that Schumacher and Akiva Goldsman had literally not read one Bane issue. They read the first paragraph of his character profile (prison, Venom test subject, etc) and took a glimpse at a picture of him. They immediately assumed enormous man = dumb-as-a-rock goon, and put no further thought into it.

And this is giving them the benefit of the doubt. I'd rather just believe that they were ignorant and lazy, because the only other possibility is that they truly hate us.

Schumacher says on the B&R DVD that his grandson/God son told him abaout Bane.
 
Yeah, wasn't it because his god son was apparentley a "big fan" of BTAS or something?
 
Yeah, wasn't it because his god son was apparentley a "big fan" of BTAS or something?

Most likely.

Tommy Lee-Jones says the same about Two-Face, his son loved the character and convinced him to do it.
 
His son should've been on set, going "No, no! Dad, you're doing it all wrong!"

Hahaha. No kidding. I didn't know Two-Face was a laughing lunatic bent on killing circus performers. Seriously though, the scene where he flips the coin over and over until it's tails is complete b.s.
 
Back in 1997 a weeks before opening day of B&R, a newspaper was giving away posters and that picture was my poster and I put it on my wall after seeing the movie I came home I rip the poster.
Understandable.

I grew up a fan of the Batman films during the 1990s. And even made sure I had various posters from each movie decorating my bedroom because I simply loved them so much. I had 3 different posters from Batman 1989 (movie poster, a Batman/Joker poster, and a Joker "Smylex" poster), 2 from Batman Returns (movie poster, plus Catwoman variant poster), and 3 from Batman Forever (movie poster, variant movie poster that was free if you bought a large popcorn with tickets to see Die Hard 3, and a Riddler poster).

But that all stopped with B&R.

And for good reason. :o
 

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