MessiahDecoy123
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Even before the rise of the modern day election apparatus and expensive mass media the United States has always been a two party system going all the way back to the days of Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party and Alexander Hamilton's Federalist Party.Get rid of the two party system and make it so all candidates--regardless of political party affiliation--have the same amount of campaign budget and media time. Hopefully, this would get equal representation of all candidates so that more voters can make a truly informed choice.
And who will write these laws that we will vote on? And you are aware of how EXPENSIVE these votes will be? And many of these laws are extremely complicated to the point where we can't expect the average person to fully understand what they're voting on.Get rid of representatives and put everything to a vote. It creates an unnecessary middle man that we vote for a politician in hopes that he/she will vote for our interests. Just let US vote for OUR interests.
This I agree with, the Electoral College had its purpose back when the nation was forming but today it has outlived its usefulness. It's a shame that safe states like Texas and New York are ignored in favor of states like Ohio and Florida.Get rid of the electoral college system. Popular vote wins the presidency. The people have spoken. The end.
I have come to really hate both sides of the voter ID argument. While on paper there is nothing really wrong with voter ID, the reality is that voter fraud is incredibly minimal to the point that there really is no need to even care about it.Make voter ID mandatory as voting is the cornerstone of Democracy and create punishments for those who try to get around this law.
.Blind_Lawyer said:Of course, I'll be the first to admit I have no clue what the consequences of all this would be...
Even before the rise of the modern day election apparatus and expensive mass media the United States has always been a two party system going all the way back to the days of Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party and Alexander Hamilton's Federalist Party.
Money and media have nothing to do with the United States being a de-facto two party system, but more along the lines of our voting and government systems. The United States is a country that uses First Past the Vote with a strong Presidential system of government, it gives third parties very little room to grow. When one party collapses, another one takes its place like how the Democratic-Republicans were replaced by Andrew Jackson's Democratic Party and the Federalists were replaced by the Whig Party, which was then replaced by the Republican Party.
If you want to get rid of the de-facto two party system, then you have to change the system of government into a more Parliamentary system of government and the voting system needs to be changed to a more proportional basis. Instead of trying to gather the most votes in a district or state and failing due to lack of resources, smaller parties would be able to aim for more realistic goal of a couple of percentage points and gaining some legislative representation through that. And with having members in the legislature, it gives them the opportunity to develop the governing experience necessary to allow voters to trust them and become more willing to vote for them.
No. See the part where I said I have no idea what the consequences of implementing this are. But, if I may quote the great Captain Steve Rogers, the price of freedom is high. We'll wage wars costing human lives to protect interests overseas, but voting for ourselves is too high a cost to pay? That's not right.And who will write these laws that we will vote on? And you are aware of how EXPENSIVE these votes will be?
We've also never had the opportunity to vote on them. I understand where you're coming from, but I'm an optimistic guy. I'd like to think that given the opportunity, the American people would make the best of it.And many of these laws are extremely complicated to the point where we can't expect the average person to fully understand what they're voting on.
They already do.And do you honestly want people who advocate stupidity like GMO labeling, climate change denial, etc. really having an influence on our laws?
This I agree with, the Electoral College had its purpose back when the nation was forming but today it has outlived its usefulness. It's a shame that safe states like Texas and New York are ignored in favor of states like Ohio and Florida.
While I agree with you that it's crap that the system suggests that people fall into two camps, but the reality is that systems like the United States naturally evolve into two-party democracies. Nothing, even if you limit the funding and media capabilities of the big two parties, will change that as long as the US uses a FPTP voting system and maintains a strong Presidential system of government. In order to bring change, you have to look at the roots of the problem and go from there and there are your roots.I understand the US has had a two party system since before mass media. I wasn't saying mass media was the reason for it. Really, what I did was lump two things together. One, get rid of the two party system. Two, give every candidate equal access to campaign funding and media coverage. I'm not saying one caused the other. I just combined two things which brings my total of three things to change to four. So that was a mistake on my part.
But my take is that the two-party system suggests that the political views of 300 million people fall into one of two camps: Republican or Democrat, right or left, red or blue, conservative or liberal, or which ever term you prefer. I think that's crap. Meanwhile, tickets typically have quite a few independents running on them, and these people are ignored, overshadowed by the two party system that exists, seemingly, to convince people that there IS a two-party system. People don't have to vote Democrat or Republican, but most don't realize that because they're convinced otherwise. This leaves people like me, who don't fall into either one and yet do like things from both, out in the cold. The only person I would want to vote for has no chance at winning because he/she hasn't aligned themselves with one of a whopping two parties. That's pretty crappy as a voter.
Take the time to study poly sci, it'll suck all the optimism out of you. Also, Captain America is a fictional character.No. See the part where I said I have no idea what the consequences of implementing this are. But, if I may quote the great Captain Steve Rogers, the price of freedom is high. We'll wage wars costing human lives to protect interests overseas, but voting for ourselves is too high a cost to pay? That's not right.
We've also never had the opportunity to vote on them. I understand where you're coming from, but I'm an optimistic guy. I'd like to think that given the opportunity, the American people would make the best of it.
Not really. The system is pretty much designed to where the experts are the ones writing the laws and has some safeguards to protect us from the stupid people. Take a look at gay marriage, we had the Supreme Court fix that **** up. Or Congress right now is working on preventing GMO labeling. And we have the EPA working on countering the stupid climate change deniers.They already do.
It was about trying to give the smaller states like Delaware and Rhode Island the opportunity to have influence in the election of President as opposed to candidates thinking that all they have to do is dominate in the urban areas.What was the purpose of the Electoral College? I've never understood what it was all about. I just know it can lead to a president who the majority of people didn't vote for. That's the opposite of Democracy.
Take the time to study poly sci, it'll suck all the optimism out of you. Also, Captain America is a fictional character
hippie hunter said:And frankly in order to change that, you'd need a whole new Constitution.
I have come to really hate both sides of the voter ID argument. While on paper there is nothing really wrong with voter ID, the reality is that voter fraud is incredibly minimal to the point that there really is no need to even care about it.
Originally Posted by Taarna
I think there enough fraud to tip a close election to the other side. People who have passed or given their ballot to someone else can be voting.
Its an easy change, why not do it to make the election better?
Originally Posted by Taarna
Make voter ID mandatory as voting is the cornerstone of Democracy and create punishments for those who try to get around this law.
I think there enough fraud to tip a close election to the other side. People who have passed or given their ballot to someone else can be voting.
Its an easy change, why not do it to make the election better?
I would also advocate the creation of three new Federal Districts: New York (consisting of the counties of New York, Bronx, Kings, Queens, and Richmond), Chicago (consisting of Cook County and part of DuPage County), and Los Angeles (consisting of all of Los Angeles County).
I also agree with SV's idea of more House members. The population has tripled since 1913, it's time for more House members to accurately reflect that increase and allow Congresspeople to better serve their smaller districts. And it may even give minorities better representation as opposed to being packed into one district like so many Southern states do.