"If you outlaw heroes, then only outlaws will be heroes.."

[Fantasyartist]

Yes, this is a paaphrasing of a NRA quote(if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns).
What I find amusing if not disturbing is the blatant double standard in the Marvel Universe(not to mention the real world). People can chose to own guns or cease owning them but people who received their powers by an accident of birth( mutants like the X-Men) or by fate(FF, Spidey, Hulk) are to be penalized for an accident of fate or birth as immutable as skin colour .
Of course it's easier to go after superheroes who by tradition usually avoid explicit politicking than it is to take on a special interest group like the NRA.
Captain America may seem like a stuffed shirt at best,or a windbag at worst, but he is right to oppose the SHRA!

Terry

 

[GOODT!MES]

I can see some of the benefits of the act, but I'm overall anti. It was a hard choice, though.

 

[3dman27]

i'm against it too .
superheroes should help people because they choose to help NOT be forced by the law to do so

 

[The Question]

Yes, this is a paaphrasing of a NRA quote(if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns).
What I find amusing if not disturbing is the blatant double standard in the Marvel Universe(not to mention the real world). People can chose to own guns or cease owning them but people who received their powers by an accident of birth( mutants like the X-Men) or by fate(FF, Spidey, Hulk) are to be penalized for an accident of fate or birth as immutable as skin colour .
Of course it's easier to go after superheroes who by tradition usually avoid explicit politicking than it is to take on a special interest group like the NRA.
Captain America may seem like a stuffed shirt at best,or a windbag at worst, but he is right to oppose the SHRA!

Terry

Well, it's not just because they're super that the feds are after them. They're vigilantes. Their not cops of soldiers (for the most part), and yet their fighting criminals and terrorists and thus interfering with police and federal matters. In the real world, vigilantes are not generally trusted by the authorities, and the second they break a law the cops are on their asses like crazy. In the Marvel Universe, the vigilantes can bench press cars. That's a good deal moe dangerous.

 

[Elijya]

if the MU were the real world, where happy endings don't always occured, this act would have been introduced a LONG time ago. It wouldn't have taken 10-15 years (Marvel time) for there to have been major casualties thanks to a superheroes screw up

 

[The Question]

Basically. If there really were a Spider-Man, the feds would have either tried to arrest him or tried to deputise him.

 

[Fantasyartist]

Apropos of "vigilanteism", most marvel characters(excepting the Punisher and maybe Wolverine) capture crooks not kill them. And anyway, the 600 dead kids were due to Nitro and not the New Warriors. besides if the day ever comes when the authorities can take on Galactus or the Juggernaut, I suspect most heroes will be happy to go into well deserved retirement. Also i suspect that despite the denunication of "vigilanteism", most NYPD officers(the brass and not just the rank and file) are secretly sympathetic to the Punisher as he well recognises( see my post in the Punisher section).

Terry

 

[Elijya]

Nitro caused the explosion, yes, but that wouldn't have happened if the Warriors were trained responsibly and weren't showboating for a TV show

 

[The Question]

Apropos of "vigilanteism", most marvel characters(excepting the Punisher and maybe Wolverine) capture crooks not kill them.

It's still viglanteism. Spider-Man is a vigilante. Daredevil is a vigilante. The X-Men regularly engage in vigilante activity. Vigilanteism is frowned upon by the authorities.

besides if the day ever comes when the authorities can take on Galactus or the Juggernaut, I suspect most heroes will be happy to go into well deserved retirement.

The idea of the act is to have all the heroes become federal agents.

 

[KevanG]

I'm kind of for the registration act due to a few of the bonuses (gov back up if the hero gets in way over his/her head), but I think all the heros that have secret IDs know that that the Gov doesn't have a good track record for keeping important secrets.

I think all the heros opposing the act should just tell the gov that they quit and they can stuff the act you know where and move to Canada or something. It would never happen but it would be funny.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I am for the superhero registration act, but damn Iron Man is such an ass and hypocritical. He goes off to to protect his secret identity only to support it. Captain America is a public superhero yet he is against it (in my opinion it should be the other way around)

Anyways, Iron Man is turning out to be like George W. Bush, you support his side, but damn you really hate him as a leader.

 

[The Question]

I'm kind of for the registration act due to a few of the bonuses (gov back up if the hero gets in way over his/her head), but I think all the heros that have secret IDs know that that the Gov doesn't have a good track record for keeping important secrets.

I think all the heros opposing the act should just tell the gov that they quit and they can stuff the act you know where and move to Canada or something. It would never happen but it would be funny.

It's a bit more complicated. Most of the heroes are vigilantes. They don't work for any official form of law enforcement. For the most part, this is because they don't trust the official forms of law enforcement and don't want to gte tied up in the burocracy. Legally, there are things a vigilante can do and the evidence remains usable in court that cops can't.

 

[Harlekin]

I'd basically would just like to see the heroes tell the government to go **** themselves. Or do something like this:

 

[KevanG]

Thats true enough, I remember reading a spidey novel where a cop started yelling at Spidey because he just left people tied to poles and they had no way to convict them. Say if it was a mugger, Spidey would stop him, get whatever was stolen back to the owner and the owner would leave and Spidey would leave and then later either the webbing would dissolve and the mugger would get away or the cops would cut him down. The cops could try to arrest him but with no evidence, no witnesses and no one to dispute what happened, so the cops can't really hold the guy, unless the guy had outstanding warrants on him he would more than likely go free.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Here's something I wonder about Civil War, though:

These, remember, are superheroes--guys that, while make a big fight of things, try to, at least, either move things away from civilians and/or save those who are in the way.

But, if all the heroes are fighting...uncaring about nothing else but defeating the other side...what happens to the civilians that might get in the way?

Something tells me that both sides are going to be responcible for something much more worse than Stanford after the event is over...

 

[Elijya]

by the way, registration is not about outlawing superheroes, it's about organizing them and making them accountable

 

[The Question]

Exactly. It's basically saying that they're willing to let vigilantes operate as long as they follow the government's rules.

 

[Vanguard07]

The act wont work. Turn citezins into criminals by making a law against what they already do. Brilliant.

Look how well that worked for prohibition of alcohol. I mean it's not like it caused organized crime or anything right? Everyone just stopped drinking right away without complaint didnt they? I'm sure we all read about it that way in our history books.

 

[Elijya]

it's not about abolishing it! it's about controlling it so people don't get killed and people are accountable!

 

[The Question]

The act wont work. Turn citezins into criminals by making a law against what they already do. Brilliant.

Look how well that worked for prohibition of alcohol. I mean it's not like it caused organized crime or anything right? Everyone just stopped drinking right away without complaint didnt they? I'm sure we all read about it that way in our history books.

Yeah. Vigilante activity is SO the same thing as alchohol. Seriously, the two things aren't comperable. Vigilante activity is barely legal as it is. The act simply is trying to control vigilantes, both super powered and otherwise. Make sure that they're properly trained and actually answer to the government.

 

[MajinShenron]

if the MU were the real world, where happy endings don't always occured, this act would have been introduced a LONG time ago. It wouldn't have taken 10-15 years (Marvel time) for there to have been major casualties thanks to a superheroes screw up

I don't agree. Look at illegal immigration, it wasn't a big deal until reccently.

And true heroes have nothing to hide, to the government at least.

 

[Elijya]

I don't agree. Look at illegal immigration, it wasn't a big deal until reccently.

I'm gonna assume that you're REALLY REALLY young to say something that misinformed. Illegal immigration has been an issue for decades, and a major issue for the past 20 years. It's really what might be called a "hibernation" issue. Every couple of years it gets brought up and there's a big fuss about it, then it dies out for a little while. Then someone brings up how comic books/TV/Music/Video games are corrupting our kids, then that fades and someone brings up whether flag burning is constitutional or not, then someone yells about prayer in schools, then it's the pledge of allegiance, then someone brings up immigration again, and the cycle repeats.

 

[Kotagg]

Don't forget about frog porn, that often comes up as well.

 

[Trask]

I dont know why people find the idea of the registration and training of heroes such a strange idea? I mean you would not give a 16 year old kid a gun and tell them to go stop criminals in the street. I mean some of this people are 16-20 years old when they start out and they have no training and they go up against killers and armed robbers.

I am sorry but when trained police/armed responce units can not deal with some of this people it is crazy to relay on a 16 year old kid with super powers and very little experience. That will just lead to people getting hurt. The goverment knows that super heroes play a huge role is preserving the peace and aprehending criminals, but that does not mean it is willing to allow anyone who feels like wearing a spandex to go out there on the streets and risk everyone elses life.

I think this bill has been long overdue, however like every kneegerk reaction you get in politics I do belive that the goverment is going a bit overboard with the legislation. I think the main thing that most of the heroes object to is being forced to work for the goverment if they want to be heroes, and that part I can understand and support the heroes on. Once they are trained and licenced I think they should work for whomever they want, be it for the goverment or for private corperations (I can see a lot of business opertunities for super powered bodygaurds and private security forces).

I see hero registration the same as getting a licence to be a P.I or a bounty hunter. If you dont want to train and register then quit being a hero and go and do something else.

 

[The Question]

I think the main problem comes frome the types who simply don't trust the government at all. Which is alot of them. I mean, the main reason they became vigilantes and didn't go into law enforcement is because they didn't want to deal with all the corruption and red tape of the system, or didn't trust the governemnt in general. Well, at least, that's why some of them would refuse registration.