Investing in Marvel's Future.

Discussion in 'Marvel Films' started by Advanced Dark, Feb 22, 2006.

  1. Advanced Dark

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    I have quite a few shares of Marvel and I'm actually up a huge % from where I bought most of my shares but the shares are well off their highs from what has been a relatively "event free" 2005 & 2006 so far. Sure X3 is coming up but the stock has sagged recently but everything is unfolding for a killer 2007. If your'e even thinking about investing in this company these are great levels to get in at now.
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  2. co2

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    thanks. I was going to look into this.
     
  3. Advanced Dark

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    ^ It's one of the best "long term" plays out there. If you have the funds buy it and forget about selling it for years. The foundation is just being built for this company now. After 2008 they start making their own films on top of all the yearly revenue from the old licenses, plus MSFT has the big MMORPG coming out based on Marvel characters. :)

    2007 is gonna be huge though.
     
  4. Erundur

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    I invested in Marvel's company 4 years back, that invest is paying my way through college :up:

    we'll my undergraduate degree anyway.
     
  5. ShadowBoxing

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    I've lost money with them....bad investment property for long term. I expect it to go down in the next few years
     
  6. YJ1

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    I bought shares back in 2001 and have been grinning ever since. I made my profit and I'm still holding a majority of those initial purchases. Advanced Dark is absolutely right. Just ride out this current lull and/or buy more now. MVL will start to gain notice later this year and surge accordingly. I really like most of MVL's licensing and entertainment business moves. (The new Hasbro toy deal, the Paramount movie distribution deal, etc.)
     
  7. Advanced Dark

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    And MSFT's MMORPG which is gonna be a big deal. Marvel got to where it is now making a minimal share from movie revenue. This Paramount deal and getting Iron Man and maybe Hulk rights back is just HUGE>
     
  8. Advanced Dark

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    You're completely uninformed to use kind words. It might not great for the next few months (so you buy during the lull) but the next few years how could anyone in their right mind say it's a bad investment. Back up your words as to why? The stock has already priced in a horrible 2006 forecast. Next year is huge with Spiderman 3, Ghost Rider, and Fantastic Four. That's the first year with 3 tentpole pictures for Marvel...ever. 2007 is also the first year that Marvel starts the Paramount deal and starts producing it's own films. 2008 is when the MSFT MMORPG deal comes out and the ATVI games. Look at all the movies in development that will fill the pipeline up till as far as the eye can see. The Hasbro deal is also vital to their future which is a 5 year deal guarantee of 210 mill to Marvel. They're dominating the Publishing segment, and most of their video games are top sellers and the quality is getting only better. How can you say it's a bad investment long term? When did you lose money on them? You must have bought at one of the recent peaks because I got in at 6.08 with most of my shares before the stock split and bought more on the ride up. There is not a single financial analyst on the planet who thinks Marvel is a bad company long term or that 2007 won't be a much bigger year than ever.

    Are you referring to MRV from years ago before Avi Arad? If that's the case you're talking about a totally different company. Otherwise there is not one possible scerio out there for saying MVL will go down from these levels in the next couple years except a doomsday scenerio of X3, Spiderman 3, FF2, Wolverine, and the rest of the films all crashing , and Marvels ownl slate failing. LOL

    I'm rambling and ranting but the statement you made has nothing to back it up. I could sell my shares now and make an enormous profit however I bought Marvel not for what is going to happen this year or next but because of the significant long term growth potential. Marvel is still a little baby that used to rely on others to get their product out...not anymore. Again, short term we'll have up's and downs or stay flat till X3 comes out and 2007 approaches...then blast off.
     
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    That's about when I bought and I have no plans on selling till I think Marvel has reached their fullest potential but I think Viacom will buy them out before then.
     
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    Tool.:eek:
     
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    The "secret" may be out judging by today's activity. Quarterly earnings report came out today and the stock price jumped. Someone liked something they saw. Great day for MVL long term investors. I agree and still think this stock will keep trending upward. I expect a few bumps in the road later this year but, long term, MVL is gold.

    Advanced Dark, what do you think a buy out will mean in terms of the price of the stock and its ramifications to current stock holders?
     
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    2007 doesn't seem to be that big of an up for marvel. back in 2000 or whenever you initially bought the stock, marvel was in the slumps. spider man hadn't hit, x-men didn't either. now they're an inflated company riding a trend of superhero pop revival. ghost rider isn't really a draw (even with nick cage), fantastic four isn't a top draw either. spider man is marvels bread and butter, and 3 is where the train stops. most of the creative personnel are gone after this one, and furthermore, can the american attention span hold for a couple more flicks? now im not saying spidey will flop, but as in an investment it's not as strong a buy as it would be in 2000. iron man is another good property, but honestly how many more quality lisences does marvel have?

    in a nutshell - the time to buy was 6 years ago. this puppy peaked.
     
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    They peaked. They made on or two movies...got investors ravenous...and now they're sick of them. Investors don't give a sh** about what movies you're making...you obviously no nothing about the stock market
     
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    bingo...entertainment companies are not good long term investments because they are unreliable. They are at the whims of an uncontrollable public who is on one thing and then of to the next. If you were smart you'd never touch Marvel and focus on stable companies like Lowes, Home Depot, Steel and other manufactured goods. Those things never go "out of style". As I said "investors don't give a sh** about movies and toys". They only care about "the next big thing" and what is "always big". Short term investments are things like Marvel that experience big but fleeting moments of popularity. Long term investments would be something like steel companies. A product that is necessary and always needed (for the foreseeable future).

    If you want to invest in Marvel 6 years ago was the time. If you like getting the quarterly reports invest 15 bucks....you'll still get em. I had 1000 dollars in their....now its down to the low 800s if that gives you any impression how great a long term investment it is. Invest in Marvel if you want to, don't go deluding yourself its some awesome stock though.
     
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    Seriously. I love Marvel, but anyone with half a brain wouldnt invest in them now. Just cause your a fan and put a bunch of money in it, dont get mad cause other people did the smart thing and pulled out. X3 isnt going bring in that much. You really think something like Blade on Spike TV is going to raise revenue? An R-Rated movie like Ghost Rider? Its hardly as sure fire as Spider-man 3. Thats when you want to invest, a couple of months before SM3 comes out and all that merchandise is being sold. Lets be honest here. Marvel is a bad investment.
     
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    yup...gotta agree w/ this one. (GR will be PG13 though :))
    the time to get this stock was when it was 1st offered...i wouldnt invest much (or any) in it now. stick to oil/natural gas companies, health care, some tech, ect.
    Marvel MIGHT be ok for short term trading...like hold it until a newly superhyped movie is about to be released and then sell it once it goes up a few bucks.
     
  17. ShadowBoxing

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    exactamundo....face it X3 will probably tank...especially in the face of SR. SM3 looks like it might rock the box office. Ghost Rider will win over no one except die hard fans unless its nothing short of spectacular. Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Hulk, FF2, and X-spinoffs are not reliable money makers especially since two of those movies initial movies tanked hard. Captain America may bring back some stuff in 2009....but you better pray by then people aren't dog tired of Marvel movies

    Actually for entertainment....you'd be better switching to DC :D (I'm being facicious....)
     
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    I highly doubt X3 will tank... but its not going to do that much for stocks. After two weeks, forget about it. But SM3... I really think with the black suit and Venom happening, its going to totally out do SM2.
     
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    Yep, it's looking that way for sure.
     
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    Ugh, I hope Viacom doesn't buy out Marvel.

    I really think its bad enough that Time Warner owns DC comics.
     
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    ^^^You and me both Vileone. After these Paramount (division of Viacom) films get rolling, Blade TV on Spike (division of Viacom), I wouldn't mind Viacom snatching them up in like 2012-2015 but now would suck as an investor and a fan. I like the way Marvel is setting it's future up now and don't want it f'd with by a company that just reorganized. However Viacom's earnings were bad thanks to Paramount's lousy slate in 2004/2005. Marvel will save it down the road and owning MVL would ensure more profit. I really hope it doesn't happen before 2012.
     
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    I don't know much about stocks but I don't see marvel as a huge long term investment especially at their current price. By the time they start making their own films most of them will have been made by other studios already. Big hitters like Spider-man and X-Men will have been long done. All they'll be left with is a few crappy second or third tier superheroes. Who's the say the public will even embrace the genre anymore. This isn't to say you won't make some money but at 17 dollars a share forget it.
     
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    tank was the wrong word...I meant it won't have any longevity at the box office. It will do "decently". Likely it won't outdo X2.
     
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    You clearly have no idea what you're saying. Please tell me how MOST of the characters are at other studios. Other studios have very few characters:

    Lionsgate: Punisher
    New Regency: Daredevil/Elektra
    Fox: X-Men & spin offs, Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer
    Sony: Spiderman & Luke Cage
    Paramount has Deathlok
    New Line: Blade

    The rest of the hundreds...no make that thousands of characters are at Marvel. You might think they're small unheard of characters but aren't ALL characters unknown before they're revealed to the world?

    Of the above Marvel will very likely get Daredevil and Elektra back, and if Sony doesn't get moving you'll see Luke Cage back at Marvel too.

    Marvel has tons of characters to make movies from that could surprise you like Blade. Then they have live TV. They just began expanding into the international market too. And to make a stupid statement like Spiderman and X-Men will be long gone is just laughable. Spiderman, X-Men, Batman, Superman and characters like that are around long past me or you will be around. To think thank X-Men 3 or Spiderman 3 is the last of the franchise is just plain ignorant. Marvel's rolling out their first films in 2008/2009 which is right around the bend. Now Spiderman is a SUPER franchise which might make the others look small...but they're not. Even Blade generated over a billion dollars as a franchise. Marvel also isn't only about movies. They have toys, video games, role playing games, clothing, merchandise, action figures, etc...There's not a single type of product that you can't find without a Marvel character on it. Lunch boxes, thermuses, beach blankets, frisbees, balls, bed sheets, jackets, shirts, sleepingbags, paper plates, napkings, video game hardware skins, cell phone screen savers, etc... They strike licensing deals every week on something or another and the contracts are very specific. If you dont' know alot about stocks then you clearly don't know anything about whether the current price is good or not. You have to think about where the company is now and what price it's at. Now look at what's in store for 2007 and beyond. 2007 is another studio year for MVL but it's a huge one with 3 major films. Between 2007 and 2008 the Marvel produced films come out which is where the real money is for them in the theatrical segment. Marvel made very little money directly from movies before. Most was from merchandise and toys. Do some research. I have 11,000 shares and could sell now and walk away with a huge profit but I bought Marvel for where it's going...not for where it is.
     
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    Wow, interesting thread...

    Investing in stocks is my hobby, and I spend a lot of time studying different methods, and reading books about the most succesful investors. I believe very strongly that you should never act on the advice of others when investing your money (unless that advice is to read a particular book, or consider a new method of valuating a business). You never know how much research that person has actually done, whether they have a bias, or whether they have the same investing goals you do.

    In the interest of full disclosure, I have made what to me is a good amount of money from Marvel, and I continue to hold for the long term. I think it is still an attractive investment, but I really hope that nobody would consider putting their own money into it without doing some research of their own. There are countless companies out there, and you have to decide if this is the best one for your money.

    I really have to laugh at the posters who think certain sectors are great or terrible though. There is no such thing as a can't-miss investment, and that is especially true when you say increadibly general things like "Invest in health care," or "invest in steel/natural gas."

    What you should be saying, is "invest in a company whose future earnings will be greater than the rate of return you can get from other investments."
     

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