Invisible Woman vs. Wolverine

[Horrorfan]

quote from wolvie in enemy of the state (same issue)

"the invisibility's nothing, but those tricks with her forcefields could be a problem. shes the only one here who actually makes me nervous"

And if you want to look at the issue again It took one page for sue to down wolverine (actually two panels on that page). He didn't fight her, he ran away from her and had to be rescued by a hydra agent.

So you've basically proved wolvie would get his butt handed to him by sue.

One on One in a fair fight? Yes, since she somehow got stupidly powerful like many characters before her.

But in this issue, his goal was to escape with the info. The ff's goal was to stop him. They failed, completely and utterly. Thus wolverine actually won that battle, simply by definition that he achived his goal while the ff failed to stop him

 

[5OCIAL 5Y5T3M]

invisible woman was always powerful

 

[Elijya]

not at the begining she wasn't

may I point you to Amazing Spider-Man #1?

 

[5OCIAL 5Y5T3M]

she just couldnt control it

 

[Elijya]

therefore, she wasn't as powerful

 

[5OCIAL 5Y5T3M]

her power is powerful

 

[gildea]

One on One in a fair fight? Yes, since she somehow got stupidly powerful like many characters before her.

But in this issue, his goal was to escape with the info. The ff's goal was to stop him. They failed, completely and utterly. Thus wolverine actually won that battle, simply by definition that he achived his goal while the ff failed to stop him

Depends how you define win i suppose. As wolverine had lost the fight and had to be rescued by someone else. If thats your definition of winning a fight (ie have SOMEONE ELSE interfere for you) then I guess i can't argue.

 

[Horrorfan]

I define it the normal way...by achieving your goals while denying your enemy theirs.

For example, in a first person shooter videogame of capture the flag, you can kill all the enemy soldiers you want but if they capture your flag, you still loose.

Wolverine (who used a transporter that was on him, not from a remote location if memory serves) was to get in, get out and get the info. It was the fantastic four's job to stop him.

Now if wolverine's objective was to get the info, and they had to stop him, who 'won'? He did. They failed. It's very simple.

 

[gildea]

well not really because of your terminology. You say wolverine won the fight but someone else won it for him. Your memory isn't serving btw after sue had downed him a hydra lackey smashed through the building on a hover bike to rescue him. Hence my repeated mentionings of someone else 'winning' the fight for him. Ie wolverine would not have achieved his goals if the person hadn't rescued him, hence unfair to say wolverine won.

 

[Horrorfan]

well not really because of your terminology. You say wolverine won the fight but someone else won it for him. Your memory isn't serving btw after sue had downed him a hydra lackey smashed through the building on a hover bike to rescue him. Hence my repeated mentionings of someone else 'winning' the fight for him. Ie wolverine would not have achieved his goals if the person hadn't rescued him, hence unfair to say wolverine won.

I thought he used a teleporter.

But in any case, he had the forethought to have people on stand by, so again, outsmarted them. He achieved his goals, the FF failed. I don't get what's so hard to understand about that?

 

[XFanTim]

If his goal is to escape, calling it a "fight" is kind of a stretch. A fight is when two people try to defeat each other in combat.

If you want to say Wolverine with a bunch of tech and help from Hydra is better at escaping than the FF is at stoping people from escaping, fine. But what does that have to do with who wins a fight? (Much less, whether he can cut Sue's forcefields.)

 

[gildea]

I thought he used a teleporter.

But in any case, he had the forethought to have people on stand by, so again, outsmarted them. He achieved his goals, the FF failed. I don't get what's so hard to understand about that?

Because you are presenting it as a victory for wolverine.

By that logic i can beat doomsday if i happen to have a couple of supermen handy.

prep time doesn't extend to getting someone else to help you, so your 'example' is irrelevant and proves nothing.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

This competition is not even worth a debate....Susan Richards, may be the most powerful of the FF anyways.

 

[foxx5]

Capture the Flag(data)...

Wolverine and 1 Hydra agent
VS.
Mr Fantastic, The Thing, Human Tourch and The Invisiable Women

Wolverine won hands down, Wolverine even did it in the Baxter building, so he was on the FFs turf and still played them, he took on the whole FF and faired pretty good against all of them, but he did complete his mission and that is all he wanted.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So he ran a successful op. That's different from winning a fight. By that logic, Taskmaster "beat" Iron Man by jumping over him, throwing a hostage at him, and running the hell away.

 

[foxx5]

So he ran a successful op. That's different from winning a fight. By that logic, Taskmaster "beat" Iron Man by jumping over him, throwing a hostage at him, and running the hell away.

taskmaster had a mission to run away from Iron man?

 

[KevanG]

If wolverine fought Sue, then we would see, but in that example he just had to get from point A to Point B with some data. He did and his mission was accomplished but besides that it was Wolverine VS the FF not just Sue.

 

[foxx5]

Thats what I'm saying, I dont think there was a real fight, I just think that Wolverine had all odds against him, with trying to steal data from the FF base with all of them there and ready for him and the building undr lock down and Wolverine completed the mission, it was great.

and in the few scuffles that occured along the way, Wolverine held his own against the FF. thats all I am saying.

 

[KevanG]

I think that if Sue could hold Wolverine in a bubble and wolverine couldn't pierce it then eventually he would collapse from lack of O2 and Sue would win. But if he got out and neither wanted to kill the other it could go for a long time with no clear winner.

But if it was a kill or be killed death match, it would boil down to who saw who first, Sue could more than likely blow up Wolverine's heart with a bubble or something if she saw him but if Wolverine saw Sue he could easily kill her. So really it depends on a number of variables.

 

[Vanguard07]

Sue's way more powerful. If the two were to have a fight Wolverine would lose. bad.

Now thats not to say that wolverine couldnt kill sue. He could like sneak up on her and stab her in the face while she's sleeping or something.

But he couldnt beat her in a fight.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

taskmaster had a mission to run away from Iron man?

He was trying to steal something from a Stark/Fujikawa building, I think.

 

[Venom.Symbiote]

not at the begining she wasn't

may I point you to Amazing Spider-Man #1?

It seems that a character's only as powerful as the writer is imaginative. Take Magneto for instance, do you think writers in the 60's and 70's even thought about him using his powers to slow down the flow of blood to someone's brain to make them pass out? They just weren't as creaitve back then and Sue's case is the same. The more readers demand then the more the writers have to come up with. They just didn't think about all the possiblities for Sue's powers at the time. Granted, she did just acquire them so she really didn't have the control she has now but its not like she's had any new power upgrades since then.

 

[UK_Stu]

This is an easy win for Sue, short of Wolverine sneaking up on her when she was asleep and murdering her that way, I can't see anyway in which he could possibly win. Sue is just way too powerful

 

[Zeu]

I find it odd that Wolverine is only nervous about Sue.

What about Johnny? He goes supernova, no tissue will be left for Wolverine to regenerate.

Reed should be smart enough not to only make him nervous, but actually make him wake up at night screaming.

Regarding the Thing, it really pisses me off how Wolvie manages to tackle those class 80-100 bricks as if he was even in the same league.

One punch to the jaw from the likes of the Thing, Hulk, Thor or Colossus and the brain in his head should turn into friggin´liquid, no matter how hard his skull is.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

But he's Wolverine. He always gets bones thrown his way so he doesn't come off looking like the chump he should look like in a lot of his ridiculously unmatched fights. It goes with being the cash cow.