Homecoming Is all the Villians coming from Oscorp a sign of lazy writing?

[Spidey-Lad93]

Thoughts

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Pretty much everything in the franchise is lazy writing, but that one takes the cake.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Stop. Posting. Threads. On. Every. Single. Thought. You. Have.

 

[MadVillainy]

Stop. Posting. Threads. On. Every. Single. Thought. You. Have.

lol

 

[jonathancrane]

It is no lazier than all of the villains in the preceding series being connected to Peter in a personal way (friend - Harry, father figure - Osborn Sr, Doc Ock, or Enemy-fellow who gunned down Uncle Ben.) Seriously, consolidate your problems with the Webb films into the Dislike thread. This is spamming at its worst.

 

[LizardMan07]

Stop. Posting. Threads. On. Every. Single. Thought. You. Have.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

It is no lazier than all of the villains in the preceding series being connected to Peter in a personal way (friend - Harry, father figure - Osborn Sr, Doc Ock, or Enemy-fellow who gunned down Uncle Ben.) Seriously, consolidate your problems with the Webb films into the Dislike thread. This is spamming at its worst.

Well I mean Osborn is the Green Goblin in the comics, Harry is a friend to Peter in the comics, Harry became the Green Goblin after Norman died because of Peter like in the comics.

Sure Doc Ock and Sandman may not have been perfect like the comics but Doc Ock was good and Sandman's scenes were cut in the film to make way for Venom/Black suit.

It's no different really than TASM series villains (mentor figure - Lizard, best friend - Green Goblin, guy you saved who became evil because you forgot his name after seeing him once - Electro).

 

[Lord]

Depends, the way they're doing it does look lazy, it's basicaly creating the villains without giving them actual reason to become them. They already have Dock Ock and Vulture things, what are they going to do now? distribute them among criminals like they did with Rhino? Sounds kinda lazy.

"Hey you! You're now Doctor Octupus! Here's some metal arms for you, now go fight Spider-Man!"

 

[spiderral]

I can understand why you'd say it was lazy writing but I like the concept as it's different to what we've been presented with before. I wouldn't like for every Spider-Man villain to come from Oscorp and I wouldn't like for the films to go that way. Maybe they can just leave it at what they've already teased us with (Doc Ock/Vulture) and just have villains like Mysterio, Kraven, Chameleon, pretty much any other villains they could use in sequels, to originate somewhere other than Oscorp.

Maybe they shouldn't have teased the Doc Ock arms and Vulture wings to the world if they're just going straight ahead and suggesting that these were just solely created as "weapons" and with no other purpose about them; why would the arms and wings be chosen over, for example, a huge machine gun created by Oscorp that could take down Spider-Man in less than a second (even though Rhino had quite an arsenal in TASM2 and Spidey didn't have much problem with that from what we saw).

 

[Lord]

I don't think many of them coming from Oscorp is exactly a problem for most people, i think it has more to do with the execution, i think that's what feels so lazy. The part where Harry is dying and happens to be in front of the suit that can cure him, and he then knows it and goes use it felt realy clunky for me, as if they accidentaly had him dying too soon and needed to have circumstances changed in order to save his life.

And what's exactly their plan with giving suits like Rhino's to criminals? Is Harry still buthurt?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Not anymore lazy than Shield being that one agency in the various MCU movies instead of seperate, different agencies

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Look at who's coming from Oscorp.

Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Vulture, Lizard, Rhino, Electro, Venom, Black Cat, and Smyth which means Spider-Slayers. All worked at or has equipment from Oscorp.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

It might work better as a TV show because then you wouldn't keep needing new sets but as a film series it seems pretty lazy.

 

[Galactus123]

I think it is. It's one of the biggest things I don't like in this movie series.

 

[Lord]

Not anymore lazy than Shield being that one agency in the various MCU movies instead of seperate, different agencies

Once again, it's all about execution, a lot of stuff is SHIELD, and i agree that not everything needs to come from there, but they still don't go manufacture heroes the way Oscorp is manufacturing villains.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Once again, it's all about execution, a lot of stuff is SHIELD, and i agree that not everything needs to come from there, but they still don't go manufacture heroes the way Oscorp is manufacturing villains.

Not exactly manufactured but like the villians with Oscorp these all work at the same place.

 

[LizardMan07]

Iron man, Thor, Hulk and Captain America all had origin stories though

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Pretty sure Falcon didn't come from SHEILD, and he had the wings prior to that, Cyclops. Also, Maria Hill has had about 5 minutes total of screentime, and hasn't done *too much*, so she's not really a superhero any more than I am.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Pretty sure Falcon didn't come from SHEILD, and he had the wings prior to that, Cyclops. Also, Maria Hill has had about 5 minutes total of screentime, and hasn't done *too much*, so she's not really a superhero any more than I am.

I suppose she'd fall into the cameo role then like Rhino.

 

[The Joker]

It's the height of lazy writing. No creativity at all.

 

[Lord]

Not exactly manufactured but like the villians with Oscorp these all work at the same place.

Agents don't exactly count, they're agents...

And about Blach Widow, Hawkeye and Falcon, SHIELD didn't manufacture them, they were agents that had things they were better at, and through various missions improved upon those strong points. It's not as if were after a person to specificaly give a bow and arrows, even the Falcon didn't originate from SHIELD, and his missions with his partner probably started as experimental with the wings, and after getting used to it, they ended up being the duo's trademark.

Everything that comes from SHIELD actualy makes sence to be honest, they're agents with a long experience that ended up becoming the best at certain things that aren't "normal", it's not as if SHIELD was getting name ideas for superheroes and throwing them around at the people they find.

 

[Lord]

I suppose she'd fall into the cameo role then like Rhino.

Maria Hill was a freaking agent, just like a cop or something similar, nothing at all similar to a criminal wearing a military Rhino looking suit. lol.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I don't know if it's lazy or if they're just trying to make the Osborn's bigger than they need to be.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Maria Hill was a freaking agent, just like a cop or something similar, nothing at all similar to a criminal wearing a military Rhino looking suit. lol.

I was comparing the extent of the role not the type of roles.

Agree that the agents make sense in the context of the movies but so did Lizard (teated on himself), Smythe (tech wiz), & Electro (accident). Hawkeye, Widow, Electro, Smythe ect did not originate at Oscorp or shield in the comics but in the movies they fit into them just fine, only Goblin being too convenient and the Tentacles and Wings being developed there is off, imo

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Falcon has nothing to do with SHIELD....